[ANN][MOTO] Motocoin - page 75. | Bitcointalksearch.org

DeepCryptoanalist3

member

Activity: 81

Merit: 10

Quote from: psychocoin on June 04, 2014, 04:08:03 AM

No, it doesn't explain much at all. How can a human mine anything if now when you play you often start (right after a block was found), drive for 3 seconds and the map changes because someone already found the block... in 3 seconds???

How is that explainable or excusable? Not just referencing the block explorer now, anyone can go and see for themselves.

It is not important how fast bot can calculate the solution. The key is how optimal his solution will be. If bot can find a 20sec solution in 3 sec but can't find a 15 sec solution then it will lose to super human who can finish the level in 15sec. Difficulty threshold will do the trick.

We have two options:
1) Bots are stupid but fast then they will dominate for the next 2000-6000 blocks. Until threshold will lower and kick them off.
2) Bots are smart. Then humans are off the race.

radi324

full member

Activity: 196

Merit: 100

Muniti creator

Perhaps time to switch to the first and exclusive human mineable crypto, Huntercoin. On HUC, bots complement human play, as no bot can outmaneuver an active human player, and this encourages better bots and more team-play all the time.

merlin0113

newbie

Activity: 60

Merit: 0

Quote from: psychocoin on June 04, 2014, 05:26:52 AM

RIP Motocoin price, wow.

I knew the botting was coming but this soon? Wow.

I propose working on a hardfork that changes the game enough to break bots for at least a while.

20w moto sold at this rate? I don't know what to say!

domob

legendary

Activity: 1135

Merit: 1166

Quote from: domob on May 12, 2014, 01:31:48 AM

b) I do not really believe that the game is so hard to write a bot for that humans are really superior to computers, even in the short run.

It seems, my intuition was correct. It is a pitty, since the idea behind Motocoin is brilliant - one could try to use some other games (for instance, logic puzzles), but I don't know one which is really "bot resistant", TBH.

psychocoin

full member

Activity: 126

Merit: 100

RIP Motocoin price, wow.

I knew the botting was coming but this soon? Wow.

I propose working on a hardfork that changes the game enough to break bots for at least a while.

merlin0113

newbie

Activity: 60

Merit: 0

Quote from: myhoho on June 04, 2014, 05:03:55 AM

I still think that the second coin to collect for block mining might help...

The bot can pursue it too. For a POP coin we certainly need some fundmental measures to diminish the bots if not to eliminate them.

myhoho

legendary

Activity: 1162

Merit: 1008

I still think that the second coin to collect for block mining might help...

merlin0113

newbie

Activity: 60

Merit: 0

Quote from: psychocoin on June 04, 2014, 04:50:41 AM

Quote from: HunterMinerCrafter on June 04, 2014, 04:40:14 AM

Quote from: psychocoin on June 04, 2014, 04:08:03 AM

No, it doesn't explain much at all. How can a human mine anything if now when you play you often start (right after a block was found), drive for 3 seconds and the map changes because someone already found the block... in 3 seconds???

My bots are still "throttled" so they don't solve blocks faster than the TargetTime. It seems like all the bot operators were doing this at first, but now I think it is just me.

Today the bot competition heated up quite a bit, before there was just three prominent bots (all three (including my own) have very distinct "signatures") and they were being subtle, but today I saw several new bots, stale/fork rates going up, many coin dumped onto c-cex, etc.

I think this is great, the first coin to directly monetize AI research! Game on!

Interesting! Do you perhaps have a video of your bot in action or something like that? How long did it take you to get your bot working? Did you have to start from scratch or there are resources to ease the process? Is this or another bot sold or shared somewhere?

The bots only make sense given the situation we have I think. Wait devs to feedback.

psychocoin

full member

Activity: 126

Merit: 100

Of course it has potential! The miner with the best AI pathfinding algorithms will win the most coins. I'm sure there are many different approaches.

Anyway - when did the first bot appear?

myhoho

legendary

Activity: 1162

Merit: 1008

Quote from: HunterMinerCrafter on June 04, 2014, 04:40:14 AM

I think this is great, the first coin to directly monetize AI research! Game on!

Yay, forget about playability of this game from now on, 2000 for last 8 hours. Infested by bots. 14 seconds per block average... No human can perform like that. But I like this statement about AI research. Can anyone really approve it has any potential in this regard ?

psychocoin

full member

Activity: 126

Merit: 100

Quote from: HunterMinerCrafter on June 04, 2014, 04:40:14 AM

Quote from: psychocoin on June 04, 2014, 04:08:03 AM

No, it doesn't explain much at all. How can a human mine anything if now when you play you often start (right after a block was found), drive for 3 seconds and the map changes because someone already found the block... in 3 seconds???

My bots are still "throttled" so they don't solve blocks faster than the TargetTime. It seems like all the bot operators were doing this at first, but now I think it is just me.

Today the bot competition heated up quite a bit, before there was just three prominent bots (all three (including my own) have very distinct "signatures") and they were being subtle, but today I saw several new bots, stale/fork rates going up, many coin dumped onto c-cex, etc.

I think this is great, the first coin to directly monetize AI research! Game on!

Interesting! Do you perhaps have a video of your bot in action or something like that? How long did it take you to get your bot working? Did you have to start from scratch or there are resources to ease the process? Is this or another bot sold or shared somewhere?

merlin0113

newbie

Activity: 60

Merit: 0

Quote from: psychocoin on June 04, 2014, 04:08:03 AM

No, it doesn't explain much at all. How can a human mine anything if now when you play you often start (right after a block was found), drive for 3 seconds and the map changes because someone already found the block... in 3 seconds???

How is that explainable or excusable? Not just referencing the block explorer now, anyone can go and see for themselves.

Yes, I have experienced for many times. I didn't counting time but for sure it's less than 10 seconds to jump to the next level when I start a fresh one.

HunterMinerCrafter

sr. member

Activity: 434

Merit: 250

Quote from: psychocoin on June 04, 2014, 04:08:03 AM

No, it doesn't explain much at all. How can a human mine anything if now when you play you often start (right after a block was found), drive for 3 seconds and the map changes because someone already found the block... in 3 seconds???

My bots are still "throttled" so they don't solve blocks faster than the TargetTime. It seems like all the bot operators were doing this at first, but now I think it is just me.

Today the bot competition heated up quite a bit, before there was just three prominent bots (all three (including my own) have very distinct "signatures") and they were being subtle, but today I saw several new bots, stale/fork rates going up, many coin dumped onto c-cex, etc.

I think this is great, the first coin to directly monetize AI research! Game on!

Spiky

newbie

Activity: 49

Merit: 0

I think returning to 5 min interval with 100 coin reward will bring motocoin back to life.

psychocoin

full member

Activity: 126

Merit: 100

No, it doesn't explain much at all. How can a human mine anything if now when you play you often start (right after a block was found), drive for 3 seconds and the map changes because someone already found the block... in 3 seconds???

How is that explainable or excusable? Not just referencing the block explorer now, anyone can go and see for themselves.

WilliamLie2

full member

Activity: 204

Merit: 100

Quote from: Jacqul on June 04, 2014, 04:00:46 AM

Quote from: WilliamLie2 on June 04, 2014, 03:57:06 AM

Quote from: merlin0113 on June 04, 2014, 03:50:21 AM

Quote from: psychocoin on June 04, 2014, 02:07:23 AM

I don't think there are bots at work. If there were, there would be block solve times of under 10 seconds, because a bot doesn't need to actually drive the path it calculates, it only needs to figure out the move sequence and then send it to the network.

Actually there is 3 seconds record there. See 13435-13436 at explorer.
http://moto-explorer.fvds.ru/block.php?block_hash=c3da209ef4ce39ae02d5902b83655255dd45f196808433533a3709b5f21d6c78

Yeah, and this block was solved one minute before previous: http://moto-explorer.fvds.ru/block.php?block_hash=b7168e3d33db75a388c20195c212bc2655090c9e05709d23fef028d0e5cd0262

Actually there is an hour difference isn't there? jumps from 20h to 21h and back.
Thanks for your explanation by the way WilliamLie.

Yes, actually it is just block 7872 that has wrong time. You can find similar blocks for Bitcoin as well.

Jacqul

sr. member

Activity: 280

Merit: 250

Quote from: WilliamLie2 on June 04, 2014, 03:57:06 AM

Quote from: merlin0113 on June 04, 2014, 03:50:21 AM

Quote from: psychocoin on June 04, 2014, 02:07:23 AM

I don't think there are bots at work. If there were, there would be block solve times of under 10 seconds, because a bot doesn't need to actually drive the path it calculates, it only needs to figure out the move sequence and then send it to the network.

Actually there is 3 seconds record there. See 13435-13436 at explorer.
http://moto-explorer.fvds.ru/block.php?block_hash=c3da209ef4ce39ae02d5902b83655255dd45f196808433533a3709b5f21d6c78

Yeah, and this block was solved one minute before previous: http://moto-explorer.fvds.ru/block.php?block_hash=b7168e3d33db75a388c20195c212bc2655090c9e05709d23fef028d0e5cd0262

Actually there is an hour difference isn't there? jumps from 20h to 21h and back.
Thanks for your explanation by the way WilliamLie.

WilliamLie2

full member

Activity: 204

Merit: 100

Quote from: merlin0113 on June 04, 2014, 03:50:21 AM

Quote from: psychocoin on June 04, 2014, 02:07:23 AM

I don't think there are bots at work. If there were, there would be block solve times of under 10 seconds, because a bot doesn't need to actually drive the path it calculates, it only needs to figure out the move sequence and then send it to the network.

Actually there is 3 seconds record there. See 13435-13436 at explorer.
http://moto-explorer.fvds.ru/block.php?block_hash=c3da209ef4ce39ae02d5902b83655255dd45f196808433533a3709b5f21d6c78

Yeah, and this block was solved one minute before previous: http://moto-explorer.fvds.ru/block.php?block_hash=b7168e3d33db75a388c20195c212bc2655090c9e05709d23fef028d0e5cd0262

psychocoin

full member

Activity: 126

Merit: 100

Quote from: merlin0113 on June 04, 2014, 03:50:21 AM

Quote from: psychocoin on June 04, 2014, 02:07:23 AM

I don't think there are bots at work. If there were, there would be block solve times of under 10 seconds, because a bot doesn't need to actually drive the path it calculates, it only needs to figure out the move sequence and then send it to the network.

Actually there is 3 seconds record there. See 13435-13436 at explorer.
http://moto-explorer.fvds.ru/block.php?block_hash=c3da209ef4ce39ae02d5902b83655255dd45f196808433533a3709b5f21d6c78

Yes, I said that before I actually checked enough blocks to see myself.

merlin0113

newbie

Activity: 60

Merit: 0

Quote from: psychocoin on June 04, 2014, 02:07:23 AM

I don't think there are bots at work. If there were, there would be block solve times of under 10 seconds, because a bot doesn't need to actually drive the path it calculates, it only needs to figure out the move sequence and then send it to the network.

Actually there is 3 seconds record there. See 13435-13436 at explorer.
http://moto-explorer.fvds.ru/block.php?block_hash=c3da209ef4ce39ae02d5902b83655255dd45f196808433533a3709b5f21d6c78

Topic: [ANN][MOTO] Motocoin - page 75. (Read 178225 times)