8 bit party spot on, proven over time. mastertrader is a wrong un who should be avoided at all costs.
Topic: ♦♦♦♦♦♦[ANN]♦♦MTR♦♦MasterTraderCoin♦♦10.4m♦♦TOSHIDESK LLC♦♦ETNA Partnership♦♦♦♦♦♦ - page 8. (Read 229799 times)
October 28, 2016, 01:40:27 PM
October 28, 2016, 01:26:35 PM
Burn 80% of what's left of the premine... There is actually a pretty nice platform with ToshiDesk, but MTR is doomed with the possibility of the pre-mine dump.
October 23, 2016, 05:34:01 PM
October 23, 2016, 02:22:07 PM
Hello Community,
Here we have a client of mine that is upset that he lost money in the crypto market.
I told him before we starting trading together that he needed to be trading with money he could afford to lose, if worst came to worst.
XMR took a major dump after he panic panic a pump that I instructed him would take place.
He got greedy and kept buying when I clear was telling him to exit on the pump.
Got the rug pulled on his FOMO, and lost a bunch.
Can I reimburse clients that make a documented series of mistakes?
No, but what I can do is help one understand the mistakes made, and help clients refrain from the bad behavior.
I had an audio call with this client for about 2 hours, and explained to him the dangers of the market.
I expressed that he'd get his money's worth if he followed my directions to the "T", and not blunder at the keyboard.
He lost money, and didn't follow my directions, and now expects me to pay his losses?
Pretty unfair if you ask me..and now I have another shill on my back.
I have offered my services completely complementary to this client, and he has accepted and declined over the course of the last few weeks.
Very sorry that this client lost money, but it takes the act of making the mistake to learn from it..and let me say - Crypto Mistakes aren't cheap.
Neither is developing a Crypto Currency.
I honestly wish some of you guys really knew the expenses that came along with Crypto development.
So before calling me a scam, put yourselves in my shoes and see that none of this is easy...and I won't ever be brought down from the fud.
I'm still here, always have been, not going anywhere.
Still working RL hustles to fund the development of ToshiDesk.
Major updates on the way with funding.
Funding is the most important part of this whole project, so please treat this like a journey and not a race.
I've put a lot into this already, and maybe have upset a few people along the way...but nobody is perfect, and you can't keep everyone happy.
Its just life, and lets try to keep it moving.
Cheers,
MasterTrader777
Here we have a client of mine that is upset that he lost money in the crypto market.
I told him before we starting trading together that he needed to be trading with money he could afford to lose, if worst came to worst.
XMR took a major dump after he panic panic a pump that I instructed him would take place.
He got greedy and kept buying when I clear was telling him to exit on the pump.
Got the rug pulled on his FOMO, and lost a bunch.
Can I reimburse clients that make a documented series of mistakes?
No, but what I can do is help one understand the mistakes made, and help clients refrain from the bad behavior.
I had an audio call with this client for about 2 hours, and explained to him the dangers of the market.
I expressed that he'd get his money's worth if he followed my directions to the "T", and not blunder at the keyboard.
He lost money, and didn't follow my directions, and now expects me to pay his losses?
Pretty unfair if you ask me..and now I have another shill on my back.
I have offered my services completely complementary to this client, and he has accepted and declined over the course of the last few weeks.
Very sorry that this client lost money, but it takes the act of making the mistake to learn from it..and let me say - Crypto Mistakes aren't cheap.
Neither is developing a Crypto Currency.
I honestly wish some of you guys really knew the expenses that came along with Crypto development.
So before calling me a scam, put yourselves in my shoes and see that none of this is easy...and I won't ever be brought down from the fud.
I'm still here, always have been, not going anywhere.
Still working RL hustles to fund the development of ToshiDesk.
Major updates on the way with funding.
Funding is the most important part of this whole project, so please treat this like a journey and not a race.
I've put a lot into this already, and maybe have upset a few people along the way...but nobody is perfect, and you can't keep everyone happy.
Its just life, and lets try to keep it moving.
Cheers,
MasterTrader777
Since you're starting to copy and paste responses, here's mines.
Right now you are spewing complete lies.
We had a short, and rushed phone call which lasted just 30 minutes, you did not even ask me if I had any questions.
Now, stop with the lying boy, don't make me call up Skype and ask them to provide the recording of the call, because I will do that if you make me.
You have 0 proof, whilst I have complete proof of what happened.
You did not express anything that I have to follow your instructions to the T, and I was following your instructions exactly, i just bought 30-40 xmr accidentally, which I resold further down.
We have agreed, that if we go on a loss, you will refund me. Now Pay up. We didn't agree any complimentary service.
You gave me bad calls which made me lose money, you told me to buy at 0.0194 and that it'll go up to 0.02+. Now look at the price, its less than 0.01.
Oh trust me, I am not spreading FUD, I am just telling the world what happened, I am a honest man, I give credit where its due, but I am also a constructive critic.
You're trying to take credit and make people feel sympathy for you, hah, wont work you ham.
Now, you say you're so occupied with developing toshi desk, oh how sweet of you..
Well, I don't think that's true, you have even given upon on the trademark application.. HAH
https://www.bizapedia.com/trademarks/toshidesk-86591596.html
Oh we will keep it moving, but not in a crooked direction, I will get my money back, justice will be served.
Guys, just have a quick look at my evidence, it'll be clear as day to who is right..
He knows how to sweet talk people out of things, his history also shows it..
I bring nothing but truth, I have nothing to hide.
October 23, 2016, 10:59:55 AM
Look MasterTrader. I invested my money in this coin by buying MTR on the exchange. If you needed funding you could have asked people like me if we would be willing to fund by buying off part of your premine at half the price of the current exchange rate. Instead you decided to just dump that part of your premine destroying 90% of the value of your own investors. You screwed us over by doing this. To me you are an insanely dumb entrepreneur. The foolishness of your actions described above cannot be denied.
October 23, 2016, 10:54:18 AM
Three questions:
Are OP's chat logs accurate?
Did you promise to refund fees plus losses in the event of a net loss?
Did you do as you promised?
October 23, 2016, 10:46:00 AM
Hello Community,
Here we have a client of mine that is upset that he lost money in the crypto market.
I told him before we starting trading together that he needed to be trading with money he could afford to lose, if worst came to worst.
XMR took a major dump after he panic panic a pump that I instructed him would take place.
He got greedy and kept buying when I clear was telling him to exit on the pump.
Got the rug pulled on his FOMO, and lost a bunch.
Can I reimburse clients that make a documented series of mistakes?
No, but what I can do is help one understand the mistakes made, and help clients refrain from the bad behavior.
I had an audio call with this client for about 2 hours, and explained to him the dangers of the market.
I expressed that he'd get his money's worth if he followed my directions to the "T", and not blunder at the keyboard.
He lost money, and didn't follow my directions, and now expects me to pay his losses?
Pretty unfair if you ask me..and now I have another shill on my back.
I have offered my services completely complementary to this client, and he has accepted and declined over the course of the last few weeks.
Very sorry that this client lost money, but it takes the act of making the mistake to learn from it..and let me say - Crypto Mistakes aren't cheap.
Neither is developing a Crypto Currency.
I honestly wish some of you guys really knew the expenses that came along with Crypto development.
So before calling me a scam, put yourselves in my shoes and see that none of this is easy...and I won't ever be brought down from the fud.
I'm still here, always have been, not going anywhere.
Still working RL hustles to fund the development of ToshiDesk.
Major updates on the way with funding.
Funding is the most important part of this whole project, so please treat this like a journey and not a race.
I've put a lot into this already, and maybe have upset a few people along the way...but nobody is perfect, and you can't keep everyone happy.
Its just life, and lets try to keep it moving.
Cheers,
MasterTrader777
Here we have a client of mine that is upset that he lost money in the crypto market.
I told him before we starting trading together that he needed to be trading with money he could afford to lose, if worst came to worst.
XMR took a major dump after he panic panic a pump that I instructed him would take place.
He got greedy and kept buying when I clear was telling him to exit on the pump.
Got the rug pulled on his FOMO, and lost a bunch.
Can I reimburse clients that make a documented series of mistakes?
No, but what I can do is help one understand the mistakes made, and help clients refrain from the bad behavior.
I had an audio call with this client for about 2 hours, and explained to him the dangers of the market.
I expressed that he'd get his money's worth if he followed my directions to the "T", and not blunder at the keyboard.
He lost money, and didn't follow my directions, and now expects me to pay his losses?
Pretty unfair if you ask me..and now I have another shill on my back.
I have offered my services completely complementary to this client, and he has accepted and declined over the course of the last few weeks.
Very sorry that this client lost money, but it takes the act of making the mistake to learn from it..and let me say - Crypto Mistakes aren't cheap.
Neither is developing a Crypto Currency.
I honestly wish some of you guys really knew the expenses that came along with Crypto development.
So before calling me a scam, put yourselves in my shoes and see that none of this is easy...and I won't ever be brought down from the fud.
I'm still here, always have been, not going anywhere.
Still working RL hustles to fund the development of ToshiDesk.
Major updates on the way with funding.
Funding is the most important part of this whole project, so please treat this like a journey and not a race.
I've put a lot into this already, and maybe have upset a few people along the way...but nobody is perfect, and you can't keep everyone happy.
Its just life, and lets try to keep it moving.
Cheers,
MasterTrader777
October 23, 2016, 10:09:55 AM
@ bitberau, I was going to give a civil reply but seen you keep mentioning me as a shill etc. The fact is u lost money get over it and move on, stop whining on and on. We've all lost money at some stage , dry your eyes 
October 23, 2016, 09:39:57 AM
You don't make a progress dude. You still have not even figured that Rich Territo is a fake identity and you use this name as real one. You defend a criminal activities of this guy like a fool.
Would be Michelle happy knowing what are you doing here? How do you explain her your crypto activity - being as scammer shill? This guy owes me and several other people lot of money. Wanna participate in responsibility as his business partner?
Would be Michelle happy knowing what are you doing here? How do you explain her your crypto activity - being as scammer shill? This guy owes me and several other people lot of money. Wanna participate in responsibility as his business partner?
October 23, 2016, 08:59:31 AM
crysx probably dreams about those bitcoins masterscammer promised him.
Loyalty to people well known for no loyalty to anyone is something I am not able to understand.
Loyalty to people well known for no loyalty to anyone is something I am not able to understand.
no 8bit ...
my dreams have nothing to do with any of your petite little ideas of rich and i ...
i work completely on the premise that one good turn deserves another ... and that if a bad turn is dished your way - counter simply by not trusting again ...
when you burn your bridge with me - and i am disappointed in you - it is VERY hard to come back from that ... not impossible to come back from disappointment - but very very difficult ... if i were angry at you - that is a good thing ... it means i care enough to give a damn ... disappointment - well that is another animal altogether - and really disassociates me from any feeling ...
loyalty? ... ummm ... ok ...
when you watch people DIE for the right to live yours - then you will understand loyalty ...
but - ill let it be with you ...
#crysx
October 23, 2016, 08:53:16 AM
First time being called a shill lmao! If u lost money too bad, move on. Are you going to cry forever over 1.3 btc?
yup - first time for me too ... EVER ...
TWAT - now there is a word that wouldnt be a first for either i would imagine ...
sheesh! ...
im off to bed ... im tired from REAL work on the vps solutions and integrations of the daemons for nodes that are supporting OTHER coins as well as this one ...
#crysx
crysx, relax man... It is sure pretty silly to call you a shill, but this BitBerau guy is new to this forum, and he is getting desperate to return the money he was robbed of.
If you read what he posted on his thread, you will clearly see he was scammed by this mtr guy. That is as clear as day (to anyone who took the time to familiarize himself with the topic), but other thing is also clear - he will not return his money, as the mtr guy has no integrity, but instead has strong ability to mislead people and skills to manipulate and hide the truth.
Its too often one could get disgusted reading this forum... Unfortunately too many people are attracted here by the smell of easy money, and they are ready to make money in any possible ways and methods, often without reservation
Alas... it is pity an honest guy like you supports that dishonest person. There is just one way to explain that phenomenon: I think you are too different from him, to understand how crooked he is in reality.
morning drays ...
as a respected member of most of the communities on here - your advice always seems logical and well thought ...
rich has never done ME wrong - and in a lot of ways - i do what i can to help those that seems to be doing the right thing ...
i dont have a bad thing to say about rich himself - what he does with that that is within in his power is entirely up to him and those that wish to deal with rich ... i still deal with rich - as like i mentioned - he has never shown any form of malice or 'scam' tendencies toward me - my team ( aka 'theteam' ) or toward the projects we have ( granite being the flagship of course ) ... i am not saying i agree with EVERYTHING rich has done - but that is entirely up to rich to do - as he ahs it all in his power to do ...
i feel for bitberau - as he feels like he has been scammed in to making false trades ... when i speak of due diligence - i speak generally and of what peopel should do in general - not targetted at bitbeurau or anyone specifically when i say EVERYONE needs to have their eyes open when ANYTHING is done off their own accord ...
i had respect for 8bit also - see that - HAD ... the past posts and comments prove how civil and concerned i was with his well being in this thread - and others ... BUT he became a complete imbecile in my eyes - and in the eyes of many - sue to his incessant bleating of repetitive statements made again rich ... which is his right to - as is richs right to respond or not ... but the moment he calls me a scammer as well - and now being called a shill - ill defend my position in every way i can ...
i have just finished a three month contract in the 'real world' which has enabled me to rebuild the infrastructure that i built from the ground up ... ME - all my decisions ... the pitfalls of taking advice from others and putting them into motion is MY decision only ... regardless of what advice i was given ... it was up to ME to do my due diligence and conceive a plan to grow the infrastructure AND code to where it is now ... dissecting the advice and rearranging and then discarding it or using in full or part thereof - is entirely a sole mechanism ...
which is what i was getting at - its bit beurau decision to move or not move - regardless of the advice given him by ANYONE ...
every decision has its consequence ... 8bit decides to become an incessantly bleating sheep - there are consequences for his actions ...
the same for me - you or anyone else - including rich ... no one is above that ...
i just woke anyway - slept in too long on a sunday morning ...
btw - all the seednodes will be changed to
this is what is taking so long to do - which is delaying every project we have currently ... especially the migration of the seednodes ...
anyway - coffee and wake - and back to work ... which is somethign i will not be doing if i can help it on weekends from now on ...
...#crysx
Now, you are not admitting this obvious fact, instead you are taking my words out of context and using that against me, insulting me and telling me to get lost and not try to resolve this issue..
Now imagine the person you made a contract with, fucked you over by not acting according to the agreements, will you sit on your hands like a dumbass or get your money back?
Exactly.
Now, in my and others eyes you are a complete shill, unless you admit the truth, instead of hiding it, like Master Trader.
And your coinfello friend, all he does is repeat what you say. LOL
The truth won't be hidden.
bitberau ...
in your eyes - is where the issue remains ...
i dont know the deal between you and rich ... nor do i know the context in which it was made - nor do i know whether you kept your side of the bargain - or he kept his ...
what i DO know ...
when you enter into an arrangement / agreement - and you feel like you have been misled or misdirected or ripped off - then agreed - you DO need to rectify it ...
but how do you rectify it? ... lets see - set up a scam thread - accuse and abuse - then call ME a shill in the name of respect? ... how do you intend on getting ANYTHING let alone respect - if you show none yourself? ...
even if all you say is true - and all rich says is false ... even if ... what do you achieve by bastardizing the guy you want the money back from - AND - continue with the degradation with someone like me? ... who will go out his way to help ...
the advice i have given - and will repeat for the last time - is simple ... DO YOUR DUE DILIGENCE ...
i can promise anything that will make it look like the sun shines out your bum - and you send me btc on the promise that if you bend over and the sun DOESNT shine out your bum - then ill give you your money back ... if i dont refund you - then its expected that you will try and recover your monies anyway you can ... but what do you think this is when you call me a shill - a scammer - etc ... is there a governing entity that will force me to refund it - unless you actually consider yourself civil enough to contact me over and over and ask? ...
in your eyes - by abusing the person - you will get a positive result ... hehehe ... come on mate ...
luckily for me - i dont enter into these sorts of arrangements ...
and top complicate this further - its his word against yours - as there are way too many variables in this type of arrangement ... that one or the other can say - no you didnt do what i asked - or the other can say - yes i did do exactly as you asked ... what a mess! ...
but the point of all this is STILL that you need to be diligent - whether its rich or me or anyone ...
and yet this advice i freely give you - to learn and be diligent with who and what you spend your btc on - means im still a shill in your eyes ( and others as well ) ... pffft ... so be it mate ...
what i see in my eyes - and in the eyes of others - is a man that trusted another and feels like he has been jilted and ripped - but can do nothing else other than accuse and name call - to get a positive outcome from the guy he is accusing and abusing ...
that really doesnt make sense in anyones language ...
i DO understand where you are at - but you need to understand that in THIS industry - i have seen REAL rippoffs happen - so have the world ...
DUE DILIGENCE ... remember and look up the meaning of these words ...
if i had an issue with rich - i deal with it directly with him ... and i have ... my mind is a stern place mate - and i speak it when necessary ... and because of that - there are no issues like this that arise from any type arrangement ... not with rich - or anyone else i deal with ... hence why my trust factor is what i gauge anyone or any company on ... because trust is earned - not taken ...
i certainly hope you resolve your issues with rich ... but even moreso - i hope you heed my advice to have your eyes opened and make the preventative research that you need to do - so you dont feel the way you are feeling now - in any future dealings with ANYONE ...
good luck mate ...
#crysx
October 23, 2016, 08:31:43 AM
crysx probably dreams about those bitcoins masterscammer promised him.
Loyalty to people well known for no loyalty to anyone is something I am not able to understand.
Loyalty to people well known for no loyalty to anyone is something I am not able to understand.
October 23, 2016, 07:24:34 AM
First time being called a shill lmao! If u lost money too bad, move on. Are you going to cry forever over 1.3 btc?
yup - first time for me too ... EVER ...
TWAT - now there is a word that wouldnt be a first for either i would imagine ...
sheesh! ...
im off to bed ... im tired from REAL work on the vps solutions and integrations of the daemons for nodes that are supporting OTHER coins as well as this one ...
#crysx
crysx, relax man... It is sure pretty silly to call you a shill, but this BitBerau guy is new to this forum, and he is getting desperate to return the money he was robbed of.
If you read what he posted on his thread, you will clearly see he was scammed by this mtr guy. That is as clear as day (to anyone who took the time to familiarize himself with the topic), but other thing is also clear - he will not return his money, as the mtr guy has no integrity, but instead has strong ability to mislead people and skills to manipulate and hide the truth.
Its too often one could get disgusted reading this forum... Unfortunately too many people are attracted here by the smell of easy money, and they are ready to make money in any possible ways and methods, often without reservation
Alas... it is pity an honest guy like you supports that dishonest person. There is just one way to explain that phenomenon: I think you are too different from him, to understand how crooked he is in reality.
Even if he is or isn't shill, he is clearly standing up for MTR, instead of standing up for truth.
October 23, 2016, 07:20:26 AM
First time being called a shill lmao! If u lost money too bad, move on. Are you going to cry forever over 1.3 btc?
yup - first time for me too ... EVER ...
TWAT - now there is a word that wouldnt be a first for either i would imagine ...
sheesh! ...
im off to bed ... im tired from REAL work on the vps solutions and integrations of the daemons for nodes that are supporting OTHER coins as well as this one ...
#crysx
crysx, relax man... It is sure pretty silly to call you a shill, but this BitBerau guy is new to this forum, and he is getting desperate to return the money he was robbed of.
If you read what he posted on his thread, you will clearly see he was scammed by this mtr guy. That is as clear as day (to anyone who took the time to familiarize himself with the topic), but other thing is also clear - he will not return his money, as the mtr guy has no integrity, but instead has strong ability to mislead people and skills to manipulate and hide the truth.
Its too often one could get disgusted reading this forum... Unfortunately too many people are attracted here by the smell of easy money, and they are ready to make money in any possible ways and methods, often without reservation
Alas... it is pity an honest guy like you supports that dishonest person. There is just one way to explain that phenomenon: I think you are too different from him, to understand how crooked he is in reality.
morning drays ...
as a respected member of most of the communities on here - your advice always seems logical and well thought ...
rich has never done ME wrong - and in a lot of ways - i do what i can to help those that seems to be doing the right thing ...
i dont have a bad thing to say about rich himself - what he does with that that is within in his power is entirely up to him and those that wish to deal with rich ... i still deal with rich - as like i mentioned - he has never shown any form of malice or 'scam' tendencies toward me - my team ( aka 'theteam' ) or toward the projects we have ( granite being the flagship of course ) ... i am not saying i agree with EVERYTHING rich has done - but that is entirely up to rich to do - as he ahs it all in his power to do ...
i feel for bitberau - as he feels like he has been scammed in to making false trades ... when i speak of due diligence - i speak generally and of what peopel should do in general - not targetted at bitbeurau or anyone specifically when i say EVERYONE needs to have their eyes open when ANYTHING is done off their own accord ...
i had respect for 8bit also - see that - HAD ... the past posts and comments prove how civil and concerned i was with his well being in this thread - and others ... BUT he became a complete imbecile in my eyes - and in the eyes of many - sue to his incessant bleating of repetitive statements made again rich ... which is his right to - as is richs right to respond or not ... but the moment he calls me a scammer as well - and now being called a shill - ill defend my position in every way i can ...
i have just finished a three month contract in the 'real world' which has enabled me to rebuild the infrastructure that i built from the ground up ... ME - all my decisions ... the pitfalls of taking advice from others and putting them into motion is MY decision only ... regardless of what advice i was given ... it was up to ME to do my due diligence and conceive a plan to grow the infrastructure AND code to where it is now ... dissecting the advice and rearranging and then discarding it or using in full or part thereof - is entirely a sole mechanism ...
which is what i was getting at - its bit beurau decision to move or not move - regardless of the advice given him by ANYONE ...
every decision has its consequence ... 8bit decides to become an incessantly bleating sheep - there are consequences for his actions ...
the same for me - you or anyone else - including rich ... no one is above that ...
i just woke anyway - slept in too long on a sunday morning ...
btw - all the seednodes will be changed to
this is what is taking so long to do - which is delaying every project we have currently ... especially the migration of the seednodes ...
anyway - coffee and wake - and back to work ... which is somethign i will not be doing if i can help it on weekends from now on ...
...#crysx
Now, you are not admitting this obvious fact, instead you are taking my words out of context and using that against me, insulting me and telling me to get lost and not try to resolve this issue..
Now imagine the person you made a contract with, fucked you over by not acting according to the agreements, will you sit on your hands like a dumbass or get your money back?
Exactly.
Now, in my and others eyes you are a complete shill, unless you admit the truth, instead of hiding it, like Master Trader.
And your coinfello friend, all he does is repeat what you say. LOL
The truth won't be hidden.
October 22, 2016, 10:47:55 PM
thank you and goodnite
October 22, 2016, 10:42:59 PM
no attack for you but i want to know about toshi trade to
yup ...
im waiting for toshidesk also ...
looks good so far ...
#crysx
October 22, 2016, 10:42:04 PM
for me it sucks mastertrader says he is working with you about a explorer and it not true at all and for you to say short answers yea we are , but long answers is no way we got are own probs ?
rich is waiting on me - and the infrastructure - to get the explorer working ...
i wont continue with ANYONES explorer ( or projects for that matter ) - until the infrastructure is complete ... im spending a large amount of time - effort - and more money than id like on all this ...
but once its done - it will be an easier way of producing things - as the infrastructure will be set ...
you can move into a residential building complex - until ALL the buildings and apartments are completed - tested - and approved to live in ... same here ...
the infrastructure will not be used until its all approved to - thus - no services will
be installed and setup unless it has been completed - tested - and approved to be usable ... and of course i pay for it all
...time - and patience ... two things that are lacking in crypto in general ...
it will happen in time - with patience
... i give no timeframes - because i KNOW that these things take their own time to do ...which is why rich is waiting on me - and im waiting on the isp - and the isp is waiting on the infrastructure ( actual servers and machines ) to be finished being built in the various datacenters around the world ...
see patience ... and time ...
the one thing i am NOT looking forward to - is paying for it all ... but that too has to be done in good time ...
...#crysx
October 22, 2016, 10:36:52 PM
no attack for you but i want to know about toshi trade to
October 22, 2016, 10:28:04 PM
for me it sucks mastertrader says he is working with you about a explorer and it not true at all and for you to say short answers yea we are , but long answers is no way we got are own probs ?
October 22, 2016, 10:23:24 PM
the question you neglected to ask is simply - what is it that is taking so long for the block explorer to arrive ... explanation above ...
pretty sure you got that part from my questions prefer you dont degrade me thanks for replys
pretty sure you got that part from my questions prefer you dont degrade me thanks for replys
no degradation intended ...
you have not attacked me in any way shape or form ... so all good ...
#crysx
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