Topic: [ANN][NHZ] - NeXT Horizon | ***PoS*** | BOUNTIES | escrow@poloniex - page 62. (Read 141495 times)

My point was the guy who said "the discussion is over" started people considering the possibility that an otherwise promising looking project 'might' be dodgy.

My point is the NHZ 'team' has been sending out mixed messages about your willingness to discuss accountability issues for the coin distribution. Mixed messages are confusing. Some of you are now 'on message' - accountability is important, that's good

I'm not going to post again. Good luck with your coin.

he didn't say anything against that and we discussed it a while back as team. what's your point? what's your problem?


Haha, thanks. I had a good laugh.

Is the guy who said "the discussion is over" happy with the spreadsheet, or did you have to twist his arm a little?

HOW MANY TIMES DO WE HAVE TO REPEAT THAT WE ARE WORKING ON A SPREADSHEET?!

I did not ask any 'tough' questions until  AFTER the NHZ guys said the discussion over distribution to developers was closed - AFTER!!


A dev who answers a question on a coin distribution (when they released no original information) with : "This discussion is over for my part" is not to be trusted.

If you look back in this thread it's clear what happened. The NHZ guys got pissed at people for asking obvious questions about the distribution & accountability, and some people like me called that for what it is - dodgy!

Ok, now we're on civilized grounds again

I already said we will have more infos about distributed bounties on our forum later. We still have to think about a way to do this while protecting everyone's privacy (we have plans to implement tor, doesn't make much sense when an account can be connected to a user by bounty logs), but I hope we will be able to make everyone happy in the end.

Dudes,

The only thing I am asking for here is transparency.

I complained about nodes getting 333NHZ, just because I thought what your bounty for blog posts/transalations was too high compared to running a node.
I am not trying to get as many coins as I can, just for running a node.I believe in bounties for marketing/development etc. and I dont have a problem with that as long as it is known to every body.

You can set aside some millions for dev bounties and would it be so hard to update an online excel sheet when you give out a bounty with its details, so that anyone in the community can check it at any time.
That will give people like me some confidence to spread this coin, by referring critics to this online document.The the people have all the details in front of them from day 1 and its upto the individuals whether that want to believe in this coin or not.

If you are looking for a pump and dump coin, may be this is good as it will attract some newbies for the bounty tips and you could sell the rest of the coins once it hit a market.
But if we want to make a successful coin, the community will scrutinize every NHZ you have been transferred, and once someone finds a suspicious transaction, a scam tag will be put on this coin
and its game over.Just look around the market for those coins where the devs kept a percentage as premine for dev work and eventually got dumped in the market.
None of them has succeeded AFAIK.

Now you have only two weeks of bounty transactions to catch up and this coin has got a nice distribution model.
I dont see a problem with giving away millions of coins bounties per week as long as they are genuine and transparent.
But saying, we will keep giving away millions of bounties every week, via our irc channel, but will not give you any details about it, is not the right attitude I think.

When a lot of work is done we will give out millions a week. Can't see anything wrong with that.

What we did is pretty obvious. There's a stable blockchain, the node-bounty distribution system, the block explorer, a (not yet public) homepage and forum.

The only thing you seem to care about is getting out as much as possible while doing nothing. You set up a node, which took you some time once and will produce a continuous stream of coins from now on. We're happy you did that - but less for that one more node, than for one more guy who gets a piece of the cake. That's why we came up with the idea for the node bounty!

To have a successful coin there are a lot more (and more important) tasks to fulfill than having as many nodes as possible. In fact, nodes will come from alone while the coin is spread out.

Fair distribution was and still is our goal. But it's nothing which can be evaluated at the current stage. Additionally, it's very subjective. According to your posts about the height of the node bounty, you would say it's fair to give out as much as possible to nodes. In my opinion development and marketing play a much bigger role.

We already made a step towards you by doubling the node-bounty, which -again- is a tool to get the distribution spread as wide as possible, not something which would help the value of the coin. On the contrary: during the distribution phase, which will probably take 2 years or more, prices will always be calculated by how much it costs to run a node.
So we devalued our stake (and the one of translators and other people helping with spreading the word and creating useful tools) by 50% to make you happy, and you still complain and steal our time we could use to be productive. Please, leave us alone, nobody will miss you.

Dude - why the accusations?

There is a balance to be struck and the community so far, if that is what is forming here seems to be assuming that the NHZ 'devs' have done sweet FA, just unpacked NXT and have taken a huge fee for it... There were traps in NXT and I know NHZ found and removed them because NXT devs confirmed it, apart from the node bounties what else have they done - I don't know but I hope in time it will become clear.

AT THE MOMENT THIS COIN IS WORTH NOTHING in relation to anything else.... so these guys have taken a risk with their time - why are we questioning them?

Maybe NHZ needs more devs & contributors, if I could do more technically I'd offer to do something and see if I could get a bounty for it...
I cant, because of RL and I'm out of programming mostly now - but I respect those who can and do.

I guess there is a leadership group here in control of the coins (no i'm not part of it) - its been made clear that not all how the coins will be distributed has been worked out - like i said earlier - so post some ideas.

Some will accept that and trust these guys, and a community will form around that unless and until they give a reason to be trusted...

Some will assume that this coin cannot be trusted - and then should move on to another coin they feel they can trust.

Are you saying that you guys will keep on distributing millions every week from the bounty accounts (may be to your own sock puppet accounts) without giving us any details on what it is given for?
Very fair distribution indeed. 

Steps 1-3 have to be done both locally and on the server (ssh is the way to go), steps 4 and 5 on your local machine, 6-8 only on the server

@ WaytoGo and @Prospectus

What did you do different from the guide.pdf to create your node in Digital Ocean? I have my DO IP address but not quite sure how to go from here..Is it basically SSH into DO and download a client, etc or can I integrate DO with a my local PC somehow? Sorry, not used DO before and not great with networks so learning as I go.

Edit: NHZ - 12394329692429062604

Seriously? I (and everybody else) can get 1 million NHZ by spending 250$, 1 or 2 hours of time, and waiting a month. You say that's the appropriate amount for working our asses off in our free time since 2 weeks? There will always be people feeling like they would have deserved more than others and complain, we expected that. But your attitude beats our expectations by far.

Of course we have been thinking about things like "how many % will the devs end up with, how many % will be spread out to nodes, how long will distribution take" and so on. The simple answer is: we have no idea. It depends on who joins in, who stays how long, who does what, how many nodes are set up, and probably some more things we didn't even calculate with. We can't guess that, so we decided to go without a plan and look what happens.

If you don't see how much work we already put into this you probably have no idea of software development. You don't need to, but: this is not our day job, it's a hobby. I don't want another manager boss to whom I need to give account for everything I do. You don't like that attitude, you don't need to be here. NHZ is here to stay, and it will be spread out to hopefully a lot of people who appreciate the possibilities it offers.

Maybe there will be another team of developers using a similar approach, there certainly will be more NXT clones during the coming weeks and months and they all will have to think about a way for distribution. And if a team wants to feel like they're owned by some people calling themselves "community", but have nothing else to do but bitch around - that's their choice. We don't.

That said: as soon as our forum is running (only waiting for some style mockup by the great designer who joined us a few days ago) there will be more infos, and more room for questions. Now let us get back to work and do something productive for this project please.

2 weeks of work, < 5M each as visible on the block explorer. We didn't log our hours to give you details about how much time we spent on different tasks like planning, researching, programming, supporting and whatever else it needed to come to where we are now. And we won't do that in the future.

I was using the wrong port (7776 is the correct one for API calls).

I got that part working now.  I still cannot forward port 7774 to open a node but you are correct and I can query port 7776 on local host.

My plan is to somehow contribute in another way so that I don't have to run a node.

dude, its not called childish envy, but its called transparency.
I was expecting a much educated response from you like this much amount was given as bounty for this work etc.
You dont have to go that all aggressive in your response, if you guys are paying just bounty as you have been trying to convince us.
If you want me to run nodes, I want to know how much is paid in bounty so far, and for what work it is paid.
I dont have a problem in you paying x millions of bounties if it can be verified, accounted and accepted by the community.

Good luck with your coin dude.

Querying a local post shouldn't be any problem. Just run a NHZ node on the server you are running the game on.
I'll think of a solution on how to adapt the bounty script to check nodes with different ports. Give me some time tough, I have to go outside now. The sun is (still) shining and I have been sitting here all day.
Later guys!

I also use a virtual machine on a consumer cloud service.

I think, it is a good way to have your node up nearly 24/7.

Also in Germany we pay about 0.30 Ct per KWh, so in the end it is cheaper than running even a small machine at home.

Unless you can forward 7774 and have a static IP - getting the node bounty isn't possible as I understand it.

You could open an account with a consumer cloud services company and pay  few $ per month for a virtual machine and run it on that which is what i'm doing - so i'm kind of spending real money to get the bounty - but its a bet that this coin will be worth something one day.

if you decide to go down this route and are having problems come on the IRC channel or see the guide posted earlier in this thread and someone will talk you through it.

I am unable to unlock that port and cannot take part in the coin by running a node.  I don't have access to the router we are using.

Are there alternatives, other than translating and blog posts, that would give an equivalent amount of coins?

I want to take part in this coin but do not know what my options are.

I was going to make a faucet/game but ran into the same problem, it won't let me make the http calls I need to interact with the blockchain so I am assuming it is related to that port.  At least I have the javascript for the game itself written up.