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First of all thanks for all the answers, the vibe I am getting from you guys is very similar as with DASH community. Which makes me kinda sad why did you guys join up with DASH !?!?


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iloveBTCtomuch on April 12, 2017, 10:48:57 PM
I wanted know if there are some real counter arguments to these following questions.

1) Distribution, is a so called plus by PIVX, yet when you take a close look at DASH compared to PIVX POW fase it was only 100day's long and the masternode idea was already planned in, so not much selling going on.

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There was plenty of selling going on. Believe me, I was there. PIVX has been around for more than a year and a half and had plenty of ups and downs in the early days. It deliberately adopted a slow, steady block reduction scheme to ensure that latecomers still had a chance to get in.

Pivx has a 100d ay POW mining period how on earth can you say it had a slow block reduction !!! I am sorry I can't get my head around that please explain why you think that is ?


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If you keep good look at the block-chain you can also see still still see that the TOP 250 address still hold close to 50%, that was even worst just after the 100day POW fase.
Also the 2 anonymous creators of this coin claim to have burned up all the pre-mined coins but there where only 60.000 coins burned in that process. Which to me sounds more like a gesture to create come good will if you compare it the almost 53 million coins that exist right now.

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I would very much like a similiar info on PIVX compaired to this DASH info(which completely clearly's up the instamine for me in satisfactory way other than the trolls keep bashing on it)
https://www.reddit.com/r/dashpay/comments/62jc3b/evan_duffield_has_no_more_than_256000_dash_and/


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The material fact is that DASH was instamined. Those resources you cite only exist to defend DASH because there is something there that needs to be defended and justified. I am not saying that they don't justify the premine--that is something that each person has to judge for themselves. What I am saying is that I would love to show you similar information for PIVX, but it doesn't exist because there is nothing equivalent that needs to be justified. The premine, which was used to set up the first MNs for the network, was publicly burnt. That is also a demonstrable fact. If I'm understanding you correctly, you're suggesting that 60K seems too low (maybe because the number was so much higher for DASH?) so therefore there must be more to the story. If there is more to the story, no one has managed to find evidence of it in the past year and a half, and the Dev team has given us no reasons to doubt their integrity. Again, though, each person should make their own decisions, and place their trust as they see fit.

No, DASH was not a premine, that the whole point !!!! It has a much fairer distribution than most coins and definitively compared to PIVX, I urge you to better research into DASH, seeing that why most you did not join DASH


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2) What features that are currently in the system that truly make a distention, other than seesaw (I find it a bit to aggressive do in favor of minters 40% or less, maybe in time minters can do some services in return as well do )


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The fact that it's DASH with improvements is, of course, a selling point on its own. Every coin is a clone of previous coins; the question is how the features are improved, and how capable the Dev team is of realizing their vision. But if you want truly unique features, then yes, the see-saw mechanism is one. The decentralized governance system is another. The upcoming use of zerocoin protocol is another. The flat supply increase, following the long, slow reduction of block rewards, and the integration of MNs (IPv6 and TOR) with PoS are still others. Then you have the highly engaged community (have you gone on Slack?), and the large, active Dev team.

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Dash is developing non-stop, it never stopped, at is not going to stop any-time soon, DASH just hired 8 full time members
Seesaw sounds allot more advanced than it it actually is, Dash could add it as well, but is still research what would be most fair and balance to the network as whole.
Connection types such as IPv6 and TOR, if needed will be added to Dash no worry's, for development reasons it was allot quicker to take this root.
The Goverance system ? What different form your it seems to be 1 on 1 clone off dash
Your Community yes, you are a very good community, your very similar to DASH, I wonder why you did not join DASH (Think you fell for the Instamine meme, which is sad, but I hope some will read my questions and realize their mistake)


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3) I just looked at the road map again, and even down to the name change is looks like a straight up clone of dash, will it continue to do so ? I mean will it also copy past DASH evolution ? or will it go a different direction

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See above. See-saw, PoS, ZP, decentralized governance, etc. No one is saying that DASH sucks. Clearly, DASH has been highly successful. But that doesn't mean that it's perfect, and PIVX is trying to take the best parts of DASH, combine them with other features in new ways, and come up with something even better.

It a bit of non-statement in case of DASH, DASH is developing non-stop. If you say DASH is take the road the mainstream and you wish to take a different road than yes.
I do think POS (do think its a bad idea to go POS, at least for the foreseeable future) And adding Zero-cash tech is also a very different step, I will vote against zero-cash it's trusted setup implementation for sure when it comes to DASH do the fact the you now need trust both  the coin and the developers, instead of having a trust-less block-chain.


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4) Also is there any way to find more info on the creators of this coin ?

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https://pivx.org/pivx-team/
Or go on slack and talk with them yourself--they're very, very accessible.

WOW what a large team, how did this came to be ? all these people working full time ? This to me sounds very unlikely, as your coin marketcap just recently exploding (on the back of DASH I may add)
But if they are why ? Why did they not join DASH than ?

I think the whole point is a bit sad at no point did seem like PIVX team and community tried to join forces with DASH, but just straight up cloned it for the most part. At the same time Evan Duffield definatily tried to join with bitcoin but was not let into it.

I'll keep a close eye on this project but up until you deliver something ground breaking, I do not think your marketing cap and your very rich announcements 2 owners deserved such a very big payday. But most sad of all is that PIVX created a unneeded fork from DASH, that makes crypto most less strong than it could be, and giving enough time Goverments will completely put us in a small box and it over and done with satoshi nakamoto Dream.

If you guys can provide me with the same level of info as is available on DASH it's instamine, I would look more favorable on your coin but it clearly does not, anyways thanks for your time, my decision is made, DASH remains the crypto-currency for the mainstream, ready end of 2017 (and please don't clone evolution just go your own way).
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PIVX trip to moon discussed in new episode of the Crypto Times: https://youtu.be/05CX2bN79Fw
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★Bitvest.io★ Play Plinko or Invest!
Tremendous rise in price. Congratulations to all holders who bought PIVX for $0.01 or lower price.
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https://youtu.be/DsAVx0u9Cw4 ... Dr. WHO < KLF
solid tech (please install new wallet) solid team, solid community, solid investor value, honesty and dillgence

Yes. Which is why I've also posted what I did for some transparency moving forward.

Please put the Zerocoin protocol on testnet first, for example.
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Pretty good development here  Grin



Why does patrick lack legs?

He bought too much healthyworm coin instead of pivx.
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solid tech (please install new wallet) solid team, solid community, solid investor value, honesty and dillgence
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This needs to be listed on Polinex. They haven't listed a new coin in a while now.
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Valuation getting higher. Already number 11 at coinmarketcap.
Lots of selling pressure going on ...
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Valuation getting higher. Already number 11 at coinmarketcap.
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https://youtu.be/DsAVx0u9Cw4 ... Dr. WHO < KLF
* Satirical * post, not financial advice or anything else.

Wonders ...

- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K2ku1A5Ox8U

Yes I have a twisted sense of humour!

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Whilst I'm here, do any PIVX community mods. have any idea why my post got 'flagged' by the 'system'...?

- https://forum.pivx.org/t/pivx-on-tor-a-community-funded-proposal/245  Huh

- https://forum.pivx.org/t/my-posts-hidden-by-community-flags/317

- https://forum.pivx.org/t/introducing-pivxproxy-zone/624

Still supporting PIVX, although sometimes wondering on what's best.
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https://youtu.be/DsAVx0u9Cw4 ... Dr. WHO < KLF

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ye it was while there were some issues in the network as it was dnet..but i got my masternode coins back and now i sold some and bought a little car for my wife
but it was hard work to get it back..the recover tool put me out around 3000 different keys which i had to check one by one..but i had luck as i found the masternode address in a document so i got the private key back...still holding enough for the breakout^^

Good for you sir! Genuinely.
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a! and one more thing.. no premine, 0 ZERO... folks like the gentleman in prev comment had 4 master nodes sold for pennies it was his prerogative!

It is known that other people also have/had issues with coins being 'lost' or 'stuck' when PIVX was formerly known as DNET.

Whilst it was my prerogative to sell, just looking back at some parts of this thread is hardly very reassuring.

i made something wrong...my wallet.dat is corrupted same in the backup folder...cant salvagewallet and other commands...nothing working...coins gone i give up...

- https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.16606698

What some here should know is that I hosted the majority of Tor addnode=.onion's for this coin. Over 80% of these nodes in fact;


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getblockhash 260635


11:55:01

3442c235d521c637985ad71893f2c3744780928f7705404d00550c15c5ead769


Could you please share some of the nodes that you're connecting to? I'm stuck on block 260584.
I've got there resyncing from scratch (deleting everything except masternodes.conf and wallet.dat) and using this conf file:

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addnode=108.61.151.69
addnode=173.245.158.8
addnode=coin-server.com
addnode=185.86.151.173
addnode=185.86.149.212
addnode=dnetxef3rmouy5qo.onion:989
addnode=dnetxcvx4iqeunnk.onion:989
addnode=dnetxn4m5kfh4xhr.onion:989
addnode=dnetxu5edp35e4rm.onion:989
addnode=y5kcscnhpygvvnjn.onion:989
addnode=5bmhtjvn2jvwpiej.onion:989
addnode=pyfdxkazur3iib7y.onion:989
addnode=ok3ym5zy6m5klimk.onion:989
addnode=i6vpvzk2jxuqqs5f.onion:989
addnode=bgdhpb76fkbw5fmg.onion:989
addnode=gtlqzb5zbws5di7g.onion:989
addnode=f7j2m26rptm5f7af.onion:989
addnode=dnetzj6l4cvo2fxy.onion:989
addnode=s3v3n7xhqafg6sb7.onion:989

With only the nodes thata appear in Ops in this moment.

As well as the 4 DNET public Tor Relays. These nodes ran almost to capacity for months, however the benefits of hosting were outweighing the costs.

I was not online for a few months, the devs. unfortunately seemingly made no effort to contact myself about the re-brand. Despite myself having been actively in contact with them to provide detailed information on settings etc., for them to also host some of their own nodes.

We already know that the PIVX price has increased incredibly quickly (even in crypto terms) and therefore any opportunity to buy back-in has been more uncertain.

So, not that great here for some.

- https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.18565332

ye it was while there were some issues in the network as it was dnet..but i got my masternode coins back and now i sold some and bought a little car for my wife
but it was hard work to get it back..the recover tool put me out around 3000 different keys which i had to check one by one..but i had luck as i found the masternode address in a document so i got the private key back...still holding enough for the breakout^^
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https://youtu.be/DsAVx0u9Cw4 ... Dr. WHO < KLF

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a! and one more thing.. no premine, 0 ZERO... folks like the gentleman in prev comment had 4 master nodes sold for pennies it was his prerogative!

It is known that other people also have/had issues with coins being 'lost' or 'stuck' when PIVX was formerly known as DNET.

Whilst it was my prerogative to sell, just looking back at some parts of this thread is hardly very reassuring.

i made something wrong...my wallet.dat is corrupted same in the backup folder...cant salvagewallet and other commands...nothing working...coins gone i give up...

- https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.16606698

What some here should know is that I hosted the majority of Tor addnode=.onion's for this coin. Over 80% of these nodes in fact;


11:55:01

getblockhash 260635


11:55:01

3442c235d521c637985ad71893f2c3744780928f7705404d00550c15c5ead769


Could you please share some of the nodes that you're connecting to? I'm stuck on block 260584.
I've got there resyncing from scratch (deleting everything except masternodes.conf and wallet.dat) and using this conf file:

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addnode=108.61.151.69
addnode=173.245.158.8
addnode=coin-server.com
addnode=185.86.151.173
addnode=185.86.149.212
addnode=dnetxef3rmouy5qo.onion:989
addnode=dnetxcvx4iqeunnk.onion:989
addnode=dnetxn4m5kfh4xhr.onion:989
addnode=dnetxu5edp35e4rm.onion:989
addnode=y5kcscnhpygvvnjn.onion:989
addnode=5bmhtjvn2jvwpiej.onion:989
addnode=pyfdxkazur3iib7y.onion:989
addnode=ok3ym5zy6m5klimk.onion:989
addnode=i6vpvzk2jxuqqs5f.onion:989
addnode=bgdhpb76fkbw5fmg.onion:989
addnode=gtlqzb5zbws5di7g.onion:989
addnode=f7j2m26rptm5f7af.onion:989
addnode=dnetzj6l4cvo2fxy.onion:989
addnode=s3v3n7xhqafg6sb7.onion:989

With only the nodes thata appear in Ops in this moment.

As well as the 4 DNET public Tor Relays. These nodes ran almost to capacity for months, however the benefits of hosting were outweighing the costs.

I was not online for a few months, the devs. unfortunately seemingly made no effort to contact myself about the re-brand. Despite myself having been actively in contact with them to provide detailed information on settings etc., for them to also host some of their own nodes.

We already know that the PIVX price has increased incredibly quickly (even in crypto terms) and therefore any opportunity to buy back-in has been more uncertain.

So, not that great here for some.

- https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.18565332
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PIVX MC will go above MAID in the next 24h imo

i went above it multiple times
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PIVX MC will go above MAID in the next 24h imo
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I wanted know if there are some real counter arguments to these following questions.

1) Distribution, is a so called plus by PIVX, yet when you take a close look at DASH compared to PIVX POW fase it was only 100day's long and the masternode idea was already planned in, so not much selling going on.

There was plenty of selling going on. Believe me, I was there. PIVX has been around for more than a year and a half and had plenty of ups and downs in the early days. It deliberately adopted a slow, steady block reduction scheme to ensure that latecomers still had a chance to get in.

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If you keep good look at the block-chain you can also see still still see that the TOP 250 address still hold close to 50%, that was even worst just after the 100day POW fase.
Also the 2 anonymous creators of this coin claim to have burned up all the pre-mined coins but there where only 60.000 coins burned in that process. Which to me sounds more like a gesture to create come good will if you compare it the almost 53 million coins that exist right now.

I would very much like a similiar info on PIVX compaired to this DASH info(which completely clearly's up the instamine for me in satisfactory way other than the trolls keep bashing on it)

The material fact is that DASH was instamined. Those resources you cite only exist to defend DASH because there is something there that needs to be defended and justified. I am not saying that they don't justify the premine--that is something that each person has to judge for themselves. What I am saying is that I would love to show you similar information for PIVX, but it doesn't exist because there is nothing equivalent that needs to be justified. The premine, which was used to set up the first MNs for the network, was publicly burnt. That is also a demonstrable fact. If I'm understanding you correctly, you're suggesting that 60K seems too low (maybe because the number was so much higher for DASH?) so therefore there must be more to the story. If there is more to the story, no one has managed to find evidence of it in the past year and a half, and the Dev team has given us no reasons to doubt their integrity. Again, though, each person should make their own decisions, and place their trust as they see fit.


i just want to add one thing about the premine:
the 60k pivx (dnet back then) where for 6 nodes to help the network in very early days

we even told the dev's back then not to burn the 60k and take it as reward for all their hard work.
They refused and burned the coins as planned cuz they wanted and still want to have full transparency in every aspect of this project

thats one reason why a lot of us have full faith in devs and their work.
I rather think the world is coming to an end than the pivx team will let us down

cheers and have good day all

Yes, I remember that, and the value of the MNs in that time was about 300 hundred bucks, 0.5 BTC@600$ or less only, so none could have been hurt. I was also impressed about their desire to follow tightly the promised.

Salute
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