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legendary
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I wanted know if there are some real counter arguments to these following questions.

1) Distribution, is a so called plus by PIVX, yet when you take a close look at DASH compared to PIVX POW fase it was only 100day's long and the masternode idea was already planned in, so not much selling going on.

There was plenty of selling going on. Believe me, I was there. PIVX has been around for more than a year and a half and had plenty of ups and downs in the early days. It deliberately adopted a slow, steady block reduction scheme to ensure that latecomers still had a chance to get in.

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If you keep good look at the block-chain you can also see still still see that the TOP 250 address still hold close to 50%, that was even worst just after the 100day POW fase.
Also the 2 anonymous creators of this coin claim to have burned up all the pre-mined coins but there where only 60.000 coins burned in that process. Which to me sounds more like a gesture to create come good will if you compare it the almost 53 million coins that exist right now.

I would very much like a similiar info on PIVX compaired to this DASH info(which completely clearly's up the instamine for me in satisfactory way other than the trolls keep bashing on it)

The material fact is that DASH was instamined. Those resources you cite only exist to defend DASH because there is something there that needs to be defended and justified. I am not saying that they don't justify the premine--that is something that each person has to judge for themselves. What I am saying is that I would love to show you similar information for PIVX, but it doesn't exist because there is nothing equivalent that needs to be justified. The premine, which was used to set up the first MNs for the network, was publicly burnt. That is also a demonstrable fact. If I'm understanding you correctly, you're suggesting that 60K seems too low (maybe because the number was so much higher for DASH?) so therefore there must be more to the story. If there is more to the story, no one has managed to find evidence of it in the past year and a half, and the Dev team has given us no reasons to doubt their integrity. Again, though, each person should make their own decisions, and place their trust as they see fit.


i just want to add one thing about the premine:
the 60k pivx (dnet back then) where for 6 nodes to help the network in very early days

we even told the dev's back then not to burn the 60k and take it as reward for all their hard work.
They refused and burned the coins as planned cuz they wanted and still want to have full transparency in every aspect of this project

thats one reason why a lot of us have full faith in devs and their work.
I rather think the world is coming to an end than the pivx team will let us down

cheers and have good day all
hero member
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NOW!! PIVX very amazing  , see  Cool Cool Cool



IMHO this is the amazing thing about PIVx

https://github.com/PIVX-Project/PIVX

10333 12 241 290 in only one year...
full member
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NOW!! PIVX very amazing  , see  Cool Cool Cool

hero member
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Price is going up...wonder whats a near foreseeable price.
sr. member
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I wanted know if there are some real counter arguments to these following questions.

1) Distribution, is a so called plus by PIVX, yet when you take a close look at DASH compared to PIVX POW fase it was only 100day's long and the masternode idea was already planned in, so not much selling going on.

There was plenty of selling going on. Believe me, I was there. PIVX has been around for more than a year and a half and had plenty of ups and downs in the early days. It deliberately adopted a slow, steady block reduction scheme to ensure that latecomers still had a chance to get in.

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If you keep good look at the block-chain you can also see still still see that the TOP 250 address still hold close to 50%, that was even worst just after the 100day POW fase.
Also the 2 anonymous creators of this coin claim to have burned up all the pre-mined coins but there where only 60.000 coins burned in that process. Which to me sounds more like a gesture to create come good will if you compare it the almost 53 million coins that exist right now.

I would very much like a similiar info on PIVX compaired to this DASH info(which completely clearly's up the instamine for me in satisfactory way other than the trolls keep bashing on it)

The material fact is that DASH was instamined. Those resources you cite only exist to defend DASH because there is something there that needs to be defended and justified. I am not saying that they don't justify the premine--that is something that each person has to judge for themselves. What I am saying is that I would love to show you similar information for PIVX, but it doesn't exist because there is nothing equivalent that needs to be justified. The premine, which was used to set up the first MNs for the network, was publicly burnt. That is also a demonstrable fact. If I'm understanding you correctly, you're suggesting that 60K seems too low (maybe because the number was so much higher for DASH?) so therefore there must be more to the story. If there is more to the story, no one has managed to find evidence of it in the past year and a half, and the Dev team has given us no reasons to doubt their integrity. Again, though, each person should make their own decisions, and place their trust as they see fit.

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2) What features that are currently in the system that truly make a distention, other than seesaw (I find it a bit to aggressive do in favor of minters 40% or less, maybe in time minters can do some services in return as well do )

The fact that it's DASH with improvements is, of course, a selling point on its own. Every coin is a clone of previous coins; the question is how the features are improved, and how capable the Dev team is of realizing their vision. But if you want truly unique features, then yes, the see-saw mechanism is one. The decentralized governance system is another. The upcoming use of zerocoin protocol is another. The flat supply increase, following the long, slow reduction of block rewards, and the integration of MNs (IPv6 and TOR) with PoS are still others. Then you have the highly engaged community (have you gone on Slack?), and the large, active Dev team.

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3) I just looked at the road map again, and even down to the name change is looks like a straight up clone of dash, will it continue to do so ? I mean will it also copy past DASH evolution ? or will it go a different direction

See above. See-saw, PoS, ZP, decentralized governance, etc. No one is saying that DASH sucks. Clearly, DASH has been highly successful. But that doesn't mean that it's perfect, and PIVX is trying to take the best parts of DASH, combine them with other features in new ways, and come up with something even better.

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4) Also is there any way to find more info on the creators of this coin ?

https://pivx.org/pivx-team/


Or go on slack and talk with them yourself--they're very, very accessible.

http://slack.pivx.org/


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Thanks in advance ( a potential investor)

No problem. Welcome to the community. Of course, don't take my word for it; explore all the resources available on the PIVX website and OP, and make your own decisions. Good luck!
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legendary
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Hello, what is the uniqueness of this coin?
And what would be the roadmap or upcoming updates for this coin?
Prediction for price?

https://pivx.org/what-is-pivx/
https://pivx.org/what-is-pivx/roadmap/

don't ask for price prediction allways make your own!!

lets make this coin at least 50 usd per coin, so we can all become millionaire  Cheesy

btw : as side note, if this coin indeed reach such valuation will it reduce the MN requirement to 1000 pivx?

It will do what the community decides as it always has, imo. 

The emphasis on decentralized governance is one of the core competencies/reasons for PIVX's current success to date.

$50 is incredibly ambitious... I like it  Wink

i think 50$ is very high atm but still attainable in few years as long as the dev successfully implement all the innovation in this coin.
legendary
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funniest thing I have seen in the long.. a peppermint tea for me hot

folks in the previous thread comments complain too much.. never sell! follow developments follow improvements , if u sold 50.000 DNET well, Today a person now is selling em for like 60 BTC... I know I know.. what can one do! nothing do not sell when u sense the right thing

cheers


also, as far as dash clone.. ask em to inject POS into their wallet! (in reverse clone) nooot easy I am sure they will do copy paste

and POS wins over X11 farm steal any time! thank you very much. low on energy too.. like almost nothing

a! and one more thing.. no premine, 0 ZERO... folks like the gentleman in prev comment had 4 master nodes sold for pennies it was his prerogative!
jr. member
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Hi,

I wanted know if there are some real counter arguments to these following questions.

1) Distribution, is a so called plus by PIVX, yet when you take a close look at DASH compared to PIVX POW fase it was only 100day's long and the masternode idea was already planned in, so not much selling going on.
If you keep good look at the block-chain you can also see still still see that the TOP 250 address still hold close to 50%, that was even worst just after the 100day POW fase.
Also the 2 anonymous creators of this coin claim to have burned up all the pre-mined coins but there where only 60.000 coins burned in that process. Which to me sounds more like a gesture to create come good will if you compare it the almost 53 million coins that exist right now.

I would very much like a similiar info on PIVX compaired to this DASH info(which completely clearly's up the instamine for me in satisfactory way other than the trolls keep bashing on it)

https://www.reddit.com/r/dashpay/comments/62jc3b/evan_duffield_has_no_more_than_256000_dash_and/
Dash Instamine Issue Clarification https://dashpay.atlassian.net/wiki/display/OC/Dash+Instamine+Issue+Clarification
Instamine FAQ https://dashpay.atlassian.net/wiki/display/DOC/Legacy+FAQ#LegacyFAQ-WasDashInstamined
Was The Instamine A Positive Thing For Dash? https://dashdot.io/alpha/?page_id=118
My View: Dash’s Instamine Is Not A Problem http://fintekneeks.com/my-view-dashs-pre-mine-is-not-a-problem/
Deep technical analysis of the early mining and distribution https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.15619552
Confessions of a Instaminer Hashman https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.18041424

2) What features that are currently in the system that truly make a distention, other than seesaw (I find it a bit to aggressive do in favor of minters 40% or less, maybe in time minters can do some services in return as well do )

3) I just looked at the road map again, and even down to the name change is looks like a straight up clone of dash, will it continue to do so ? I mean will it also copy past DASH evolution ? or will it go a different direction

4) Also is there any way to find more info on the creators of this coin ?

Thanks in advance ( a potential investor)
copper member
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...they got lost on one of the forks when we had all of those wallet updates like 6 months ago, one of them was corrupting wallet.dat files...

This is insane, by the way...

it may seem that way but there were several of us that had the same results. The insanity was that many updates and forks and some people updating some not and all the core supporters just trying to get the chain back on track. but hey it's allgood we were trying to pioneer some new shit, shenanigans are to be expected. i'll find a way somehow to regain my losses i'm just burnt again from endless hours trying to fix a problem no one saw coming.

7 was the one who confirmed they were lost on a fork btw, the corrupted .dat files were not that big of a deal because i had a shit ton of backups at this point, but i did lose some coin on account of that too. like anything i bought and sent to in a 2 day span or so is just gone not on the chain or anything, but whatever that was only a few thousand i wrote off long ago.
sr. member
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great green on bittrex I was watching this coin all day
legendary
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...they got lost on one of the forks when we had all of those wallet updates like 6 months ago, one of them was corrupting wallet.dat files...

This is insane, by the way...
legendary
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or forks from the multiple wallet updates we had awhile back, I lost enough for 3 masternodes on that deal. So make back ups of your back ups on an external HD, just in case because losing most of your stash sucks.

Did you try the wallet.dat file on a clean chain download and in the config file

reservebalance=999999

Also all references to masternode off.

Then resync by starting the daemon.

yep tried everything i can think of and some things the devs suggested. really nothing to do about it, they got lost on one of the forks when we had all of those wallet updates like 6 months ago, one of them was corrupting wallet.dat files, i had backups but trying to re-set up MN's and trying to move some to an exchange just so i knew some were safe ended with my coins i mined at launch in fork never never land. This is still the best coin going in my opinion, just trying to make sure people are aware you can lose everything even if you do everything right. still sucks though lol but whatever it's crypto

Hm, if you sent them the lost private keys wouldn't hold the coins anyway. If not, if you have an old copy of the daemon, you could see if that doesn't see the wallet as corrupted (never mind if it's not synced). If so, from there you could do a wallet backup and use that. Also look if there are any temporary wallet.dat files with weird extentions. I salvaged a wallet once by renaming a backup to 'wallet.dat' again. And maybe this:

https://github.com/eagleflies/noblecoin/wiki/Importing-private-keys-from-old-wallet.dat-using---salvagewallet-option

legendary
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https://youtu.be/DsAVx0u9Cw4 ... Dr. WHO < KLF
Whilst I'm here, do any PIVX community mods. have any idea why my post got 'flagged' by the 'system'...?

- https://forum.pivx.org/t/pivx-on-tor-a-community-funded-proposal/245  Huh

- https://forum.pivx.org/t/my-posts-hidden-by-community-flags/317

- https://forum.pivx.org/t/introducing-pivxproxy-zone/624

Still supporting PIVX, although sometimes wondering on what's best.
legendary
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https://youtu.be/DsAVx0u9Cw4 ... Dr. WHO < KLF

or forks from the multiple wallet updates we had awhile back, I lost enough for 3 masternodes on that deal. So make back ups of your back ups on an external HD, just in case because losing most of your stash sucks.

Did you try the wallet.dat file on a clean chain download and in the config file

reservebalance=999999

Also all references to masternode off.

Then resync by starting the daemon.

yep tried everything i can think of and some things the devs suggested. really nothing to do about it, they got lost on one of the forks when we had all of those wallet updates like 6 months ago, one of them was corrupting wallet.dat files, i had backups but trying to re-set up MN's and trying to move some to an exchange just so i knew some were safe ended with my coins i mined at launch in fork never never land. This is still the best coin going in my opinion, just trying to make sure people are aware you can lose everything even if you do everything right. still sucks though lol but whatever it's crypto

I too am just over 10,000 adrift from the 'borked' DNET wallet releases of around 6 months ago. The back-ups are incompatible with the current chain and after doing importprivkey the wallet corrupts soon after its re-started. TBH the situation that caused the incident was partly my fault, as I happened to be moving masternode balances at the time of also doing upgrades. As @tylerderden, a bunch of us were continually upgrading to the latest releases to try and re-establish a consensus of the then forked blockchain.

The ongoing wallet updates (and some other factors) also caused me to sell over 30,000 DNET (now PIVX) before the re-brand.

~ Being early to the crypto party is often seemingly problematic!

- https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.15877449 - Its around this time in the thread topic.

However, I'm fairly confident that I might be able to recover the 10k one day with some concerted effort on my part.

Still supporting PIVX as it does have future potential.
sr. member
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copper member
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or forks from the multiple wallet updates we had awhile back, I lost enough for 3 masternodes on that deal. So make back ups of your back ups on an external HD, just in case because losing most of your stash sucks.

Did you try the wallet.dat file on a clean chain download and in the config file

reservebalance=999999

Also all references to masternode off.

Then resync by starting the daemon.

yep tried everything i can think of and some things the devs suggested. really nothing to do about it, they got lost on one of the forks when we had all of those wallet updates like 6 months ago, one of them was corrupting wallet.dat files, i had backups but trying to re-set up MN's and trying to move some to an exchange just so i knew some were safe ended with my coins i mined at launch in fork never never land. This is still the best coin going in my opinion, just trying to make sure people are aware you can lose everything even if you do everything right. still sucks though lol but whatever it's crypto
sr. member
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Is it more profitable to be a staker or a masternode holder?
sr. member
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i'm fine with 8$ too  Cool

How are the guys (and gals) feeling about zerocoin progress?

i guess this need some time and better do it right  than rush out.
i'm hoping on summer/fall but you never know in case of development

tbh. i think ZP is far more important than polo and i really don't care about polo too much
all we will get from polo add. is a temp bump nothing more.

on the other hand it is allways good to be on all major xchanges ...
but price should raise cuz of development, marketing and stuff, thats the way to go or at least how i like it.

cheers

I firmly agree.  Even more... with PIVX's success, Polo is inevitable, so who cares.  

Will be a nice price bump, sure, but I'm more focused on implementing new developments and establishing superior fundamentals.

That being said, would be willing to ho myself out if Coinbase picked it up  Cheesy
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