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deephouse

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Quote from: sovie on August 14, 2014, 03:59:30 PM

and 2 If the exchange was paid for then smoke actually have no rights to this exchange
as they have been paid to do a job.

If they want more money then they need to come out and say why,
however as its stands you've tendered for a job got paid then you must deliver
to the community foundation what they paid for, or it will be nothing but a theft and scam for anything less than that.

The cards are on the table so answers need to be forthcoming on this thread and not in
secret backroom irc chatrooms.

Agree with you sovie. Regarding #2, we need Mscollec to confirm. For the last two days, we are trying to find out the original agreement with Mscollec and smoke. Some people including Jeff have pm'd him about this.

Like you said I also don't see why the smoke team is not handing over the exchange to Jeff or Mscollec. We know Mscollec paid Smoke with the development fund for the creation of the anon exchange. We need his confirmation on the ownership of the exchange and if smoke team has any ownership / stake after the creation of the exchange.

After this, Mscollec also has to confirm the 'agreement' for Voot market and voot cloud.

P.s - it is Mscollec's decision to leave or stay with Voot, but if this coin needs to progress, then we need answers from him.

Thanks

gullu

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Quote from: bud75gem on August 14, 2014, 03:19:17 PM

Quote from: deephouse on August 14, 2014, 03:13:46 PM

Quote from: bud75gem on August 14, 2014, 02:41:49 PM

Quote from: ?? on ??

SMOKE team is avoiding our questions and demands. We gave them a deadline. After which the poll results will go into effect.

Does everybody know that axedcode has sold all his voot?
Why he is still speaking and deciding in the behalf of the voot comunity?
For the someone asking why i have smthng to say,i will put a sell order right in this moment at: 250 sat,that is the sum i will like to sell, after all this drama...unfortunately,losing 4000$

Yes, he did mention that right at the beginning when we joined the foundation. He will help us manage the foundation but rational decisions and not work on emotions. He has come forward because he wants to be involved in the future of voot.

I have no association with him, and instead of thanking him for taking time for voot, there is no sense in complaining about his credentials. Note his position in the foundation is temporary and he is helping us and does not hold permanent position in the foundation. People who have come forward to the voot foundation have joined for the right reasons.

Ok,thank you!
I see it's better to dump now than wait the selling order is being filled:)

yep.
these guys don't see it coming.

sovie

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my 2 cents are

1 if mscollec is leaving then
there should be no problem handing over the code to
the new preliminary foundation team and then the permannet one to be voted on will take over from them,

and 2 If the exchange was paid for then smoke actually have no rights to this exchange
as they have been paid to do a job.

If they want more money then they need to come out and say why,
however as its stands you've tendered for a job got paid then you must deliver
to the community foundation what they paid for, or it will be nothing but a theft and scam for anything less than that.

The cards are on the table so answers need to be forthcoming on this thread and not in
secret backroom irc chatrooms.

drm

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mscollec reply a bit better/clearer/faster etc.. you had no problem doing this when everyone was sinking his money into this.
please do it again.

Quote from: ?? on ??

Apparantly SMOKE will not give up the source code for fear of leaks. Perhaps they want to keep the code for themselves and give us a whitelabel exchange where they can reap the profits, who knows. The fact is that SMOKE is unwilling to hand over the exchange (at this time) unless they find an "investor". In other words, they want more money. SMOKE correct me if I am wrong, but based on your PM's and comments throughout this thread, this is what was gathered.

looool creating functions with our money and then have the balls to ask for investors? Huh

sorry this does not sit well at all...and smells of scam...

DrSnAzZy

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My personal opinion on a fork is that we do not need one. MsCollec is communicating with us and has said he wants to exit voot in due time and hand over the reigns to a new Dev team. Nothing irrational or rash will be decided before the idea is went over with a fine tooth comb and all possibilities of the decision are looked at.

deephouse

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@Mscollec,

We are waiting for you to reply and clarify the situation and let us know about the agreement with Smoke team. Thanks

sluppy

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Quote from: ?? on ??

Just a reminder - 11 hours left of voting.

Quote from: ?? on ??

As some of you are aware, there are conflicts in negotiating with the SMOKE team in regards to AnonEx. The VOOT community cannot and will not just stand still waiting for something to happen. The community has spoken to us, and we created a poll based on certain actions we could take if an exchange is not delivered to us. We have reached out to SMOKE and have given them ample time to come up with an agreement. After that time has passed, the results of the poll will go into effect. This poll will last for 24 hours, ending at midnight EST tomorrow.

Vote here:
http://goo.gl/m904UK

holy fuck these are the options we get ??
Let them have it - there are other more important features VOOT should focus their efforts on
Fork the coin, as 100% community-driven, with a coin-swap through Bittrex.
Start a donation fund for another developer to work on an exchange

Let them have it ? Fuck no
fork the coin ? WTF for ?
Donation fund? for a developer to start from scratch ?? u know how much that will cost in Time AND Money..

What are the conflicts ? didnt they GET PAID ?
I bought into this coin because of the promised exchange Now that might not happen ? WTF

SMOKE .. lovly name why not smoke and mirrors .. its starting to smell like a bait and switch.

Tell US what these conflicts Are .. and maybe we can get past those with the community but Im not voting for ANY of these options ,, id rather dump the coin.

bud75gem

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Quote from: deephouse on August 14, 2014, 03:13:46 PM

Quote from: bud75gem on August 14, 2014, 02:41:49 PM

Quote from: ?? on ??

SMOKE team is avoiding our questions and demands. We gave them a deadline. After which the poll results will go into effect.

Does everybody know that axedcode has sold all his voot?
Why he is still speaking and deciding in the behalf of the voot comunity?
For the someone asking why i have smthng to say,i will put a sell order right in this moment at: 250 sat,that is the sum i will like to sell, after all this drama...unfortunately,losing 4000$

Yes, he did mention that right at the beginning when we joined the foundation. He will help us manage the foundation but rational decisions and not work on emotions. He has come forward because he wants to be involved in the future of voot.

I have no association with him, and instead of thanking him for taking time for voot, there is no sense in complaining about his credentials. Note his position in the foundation is temporary and he is helping us and does not hold permanent position in the foundation. People who have come forward to the voot foundation have joined for the right reasons.

Ok,thank you!
I see it's better to dump now than wait the selling order is being filled:)

deephouse

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Quote from: bud75gem on August 14, 2014, 02:41:49 PM

Quote from: ?? on ??

SMOKE team is avoiding our questions and demands. We gave them a deadline. After which the poll results will go into effect.

Does everybody know that axedcode has sold all his voot?
Why he is still speaking and deciding in the behalf of the voot comunity?
For the someone asking why i have smthng to say,i will put a sell order right in this moment at: 250 sat,that is the sum i will like to sell, after all this drama...unfortunately,losing 4000$

Yes, he did mention that, right at the beginning when we joined the foundation. He is helping the community manage the foundation with rational decisions and not work on emotions. He has come forward because he wants to be involved in the future of voot.

I have no association with him, and instead of thanking him for taking time for voot, there is no sense in complaining about his credentials. Note his position in the foundation is temporary (like everyone except Jeff and whale) and he is helping us and does not hold permanent position in the foundation. People who have come forward to the voot foundation have joined for the right reasons. Note, if you are selling at a loss, it is cause of your decisions. The same happened when people sold at 65 sats and rebounded to 800.

DrSnAzZy

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VootCoin PR/IRC Admin

Quote from: KickAzzDude on August 14, 2014, 02:14:40 PM

Quote from: drm on August 14, 2014, 02:01:29 PM

this poll cannot seriously be a reflection of what the community thinks/wants.
also forking is not needed/priority at all, i find it strange there are a few people mentioning forking at this point.

how about actually knowing what features we still are getting delivered,and then try to come up with polls and making decisions like that.

is anything getting released to us at all? vootcloud for example, besides a (for now) dodgy looking exchange what should we expect from the vootcloud (also dodgy/scam/made up by mscollec maybe?)

This, find out what is happening exactly before making a rash decision that could make this even worse

I agree, no rash decisions will be made. That is where the team and community input come into play. MsCollec has stated that he does want to exit the coin, and has been cooperative with exiting in due time. There are some things to figure out like who will take the reigns. We are making lots of progress, just be assured that work is being done.

bud75gem

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Quote from: ?? on ??

SMOKE team is avoiding our questions and demands. We gave them a deadline. After which the poll results will go into effect.

Does everybody know that axedcode has sold all his voot?
Why he is still speaking and deciding in the behalf of the voot comunity?
For the someone asking why i have smthng to say,i will put a sell order right in this moment at: 250 sat,that is the sum i will like to sell, after all this drama...unfortunately,losing 4000$

KickAzzDude

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Quote from: drm on August 14, 2014, 02:01:29 PM

this poll cannot seriously be a reflection of what the community thinks/wants.
also forking is not needed/priority at all, i find it strange there are a few people mentioning forking at this point.

how about actually knowing what features we still are getting delivered,and then try to come up with polls and making decisions like that.

is anything getting released to us at all? vootcloud for example, besides a (for now) dodgy looking exchange what should we expect from the vootcloud (also dodgy/scam/made up by mscollec maybe?)

This, find out what is happening exactly before making a rash decision that could make this even worse

burner2014

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LOL! Guys...

still no Exchange? Still the same people talking. Still no proof of concept..

Still postponement ...

I still believe some accounts have the same user. One user is taking over the coin to make profit, buy cheap, takeover, develop a bit. make panic sells, make panic buys.. make profit.

Enjoy guys.

I just was really interesting to see how the exchange look like after I left but .. yeah .. where is it? Good to have sold at 600 Satoshi.

drm

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Quote from: ?? on ??

Just a reminder - 11 hours left of voting.

Quote from: ?? on ??

As some of you are aware, there are conflicts in negotiating with the SMOKE team in regards to AnonEx. The VOOT community cannot and will not just stand still waiting for something to happen. The community has spoken to us, and we created a poll based on certain actions we could take if an exchange is not delivered to us. We have reached out to SMOKE and have given them ample time to come up with an agreement. After that time has passed, the results of the poll will go into effect. This poll will last for 24 hours, ending at midnight EST tomorrow.

Vote here:
http://goo.gl/m904UK

this poll cannot seriously be a reflection of what the community thinks/wants.
also forking is not needed/priority at all, i find it strange there are a few people mentioning forking at this point.

how about actually knowing what features we still are getting delivered,and then try to come up with polls and making decisions like that.

is anything getting released to us at all? vootcloud for example, besides a (for now) dodgy looking exchange what should we expect from the vootcloud (also dodgy/scam/made up by mscollec maybe?)

DrSnAzZy

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Quote from: deephouse on August 14, 2014, 05:42:54 AM

Really disappointed with the smoke team and especially their communication style.

This is like, if I employee & pay a contractor to build a house for me and after completing of the house, I have to pay them again to take ownership of the house Roll Eyes

. Smoke team where employed to build & hand over the anon exchange and not lease or resell it to the Voot community.

@Smoke team,

please speak up! extorting the voot community is not the correct approach for the benefit of the coin and for your reputation.

Hey, are they asking for more fund??

That is my understanding. Please let us know when you get in contact with smoke.

sovie

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deephouse are you a part of the voot foundation?

deephouse

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Quote from: ?? on ??

Hey, are they asking for more fund??

I could be interpreting them wrong, but what I understood is that, they want 'investors' to take over the Anon exchange, i.e. basically selling off the exchange to an investor (maybe even participating in the profit). If the payment for the Anon exchange is paid for, and belongs to Mscollec or the Voot community, then I don't see why they want 'investors' to take over the Anon exchange?

Quote from: EdsWow1 on August 14, 2014, 08:07:35 AM

One thing is for sure: SMOKE should hand over the exchange, either to Mscollec, or to someone he decides. (e.g. the new foundation...)

Yes, this is fine. Mscollec, could you please reach out to smoke team, as they trust you more and get control of the exchange. Once you get control of the exchange, we can decide on how to run it through the VOOT foundation. You know the circumstance of the agreement made with Smoke team, and it is best if you try to resolve this. Does that make sense?

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Quote from: drm on August 14, 2014, 08:57:17 AM

Quote from: Walrusbonzo on August 14, 2014, 08:46:31 AM

Quote from: sncs on August 14, 2014, 07:56:54 AM

OK. Then SMOKE should hand over the exchange, in full, to Mscollec.

Mscollec can then decide what he will do with the exchange.

Fair enough?

If he paid for it, it's his.

actually in the end it's the voot investors who have paid for a lot of this...that's what makes this all so painful to see
but I agree it's mscollec's.

Yep, the Exchange is his. In a legal sense Voot doesn't exist. There's no corporation, contract, etc. just people posting stuff here. One priority should be to make the Voot Foundation a real paperwork backed and filed legal entity the way the Dogecoin foundation is set-up.

drm

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Quote from: Walrusbonzo on August 14, 2014, 08:46:31 AM

Quote from: sncs on August 14, 2014, 07:56:54 AM

OK. Then SMOKE should hand over the exchange, in full, to Mscollec.

Mscollec can then decide what he will do with the exchange.

Fair enough?

If he paid for it, it's his.

actually in the end it's the voot investors who have paid for a lot of this...that's what makes this all so painful to see
but I agree it's mscollec's.

Walrusbonzo

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Quote from: sncs on August 14, 2014, 07:56:54 AM

OK. Then SMOKE should hand over the exchange, in full, to Mscollec.

Mscollec can then decide what he will do with the exchange.

Fair enough?

If he paid for it, it's his.

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