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+1

the rest: +1, too.

I would say hand over to Mscollec first, so that there is no miscommunication since he is the person who gave SMOKE/paid them for this project.

We previously discussed (on IRC) with Mscollec about the future of VOOT. He clearly stated that once the VOOT Foundation is established he would be happy to detach himself from VOOT and leave everything in the hands of the foundation.

Now would also be a good time to address everyone who is saying "WTF, Voot foundation? Who? Why? What? How?"

As a community the decision to form VOOT Foundation was very quick and neither of us was voted in. And I agree, that after the current poll/situation with exchange we must re-evaluate with together with the VOOT community.

I have taken initiative to register vootcoin.org and vootfoundation.org and taken it upon myself to build a new website for VOOT. If at a certain point the community does not agree with this, I will hand over both domains.

In case many of you are thinking, sncs.. who the fuck is sncs, what does he bring to the table? Here is a little bit about my background:

Business Management BA(Hons) from Kingston University, London (UK).
Currently running a business in IT, specialized in servers, networking and web development.
I've been involved in building and maintaining servers for about 10 years now and web development for the last 5 years.
Involved in crypto since 2013.

+1

One thing is for sure: SMOKE should hand over the exchange, either to Mscollec, or to someone he decides. (e.g. the new foundation...)

OK. Then SMOKE should hand over the exchange, in full, to Mscollec.

Mscollec can then decide what he will do with the exchange.

Fair enough?

Now the new dev team can take over, nice

Just thinking:

If i would pay someone to do some work for me.... then one is for sure: It would be MY product - i would be the owner, i allone, AND NOT ANY mysterious "community".

So, its mscollecs product. he paid for it. (with money he got from first dev; which gave voot away, and mscollec saved it and took it over).

So... i really do not understand, how people now think, the exchange would belong "to community". Did anyone of you pay for it ?? Did anyone who now wants the sourcecode pay for it ??

I was dev for 25 years in industry... never saw something like that... thats like stealing... someone else pay, and there come people who claim ownership. and are disappointed, if it is not handed over "for free".

So of course, if community does not anymore want mscollec, fine, but you cannot rob him, thats strange.
its absolutely fair from Smoke-Team, that they only want to handover to those, who paid them !!

And maybe, just maybe, mscollec told them: "okay, if someone else buy for it and wanna run it, give it to them." but that would be pure generous.

So, sorry, all this mscollec-bashing on one side, but wanting for free what HE paid for .... that really sounds little bit stupid ... !

sorry... but its really very very strange, such behaviour. like children "give it to me, give it to me, for freeeeee". pffh.


And one more thing:
Now people wanna make "this or that"  with voot. even people think what to do with the coin, and they have nothing to do with dev, marketing or whatever.

Did you all forget what Voot was made for? An anonymous market. That was the original plan (even befor mscollec).

And now people say "oh, its not so important, lets do this and that with voot".

No ! This people are just some traders and speculators, who just have some coin bought beyond 1000sat and want money back. nothing else.
thats okay, thats fine, nothing wrong with that.

but dont pretent that you would care any longer for that coin, as you hold it. and you will sell it in the moment it reaches 1000 or 2000 sat. for sure.



and the last:
Yes, Voot pays every homage on its name. didnt you get that already ?? ;-)

The perfect coin for such an anonym exchange. of course, which else. like a phantom.

but most of you see just "another ordinary coin". thats just a lack of vision and imagination.

thx4listening

I can only imagine MsCollec's Inbox right now. I agree he should have a time frame to give his response.

Let's give Mscollec a day or two to reply regarding the 'agreement' between smoketeam and to clarify that who is the owner of the exchange/code. Lots is people have send him a pm.

This is true, Nite69 did make the wallet. I have been in contact with him prior and will shoot him a pm. I will keep you all updated as to what he says our options are. he helped me diagnose and fix my voot wallet when I had "wallet.dat corrupt" by compiling a special wallet for me to use so he knows what he's doing.

finally we moving on


people should post what they can do and their motivations, you (jefferson) chose them and then do an internal election for leader(s)

i dont get what relation have the problems with smoke and mscollec, with a hard fork.
Can you explain this point?

As far i know the current wallet version is created by nite69 who is a trusted dev in bitcointalk
and we can contact directly him, without depending from mscollec.

I vote for go beyond mscollec and smoke, but we dont need fork the coin to do it, but contact nite69

Okay, so to clarify, neither me or whale123 has the source or to vootcoin or the anon exchange.

I personally vote for to fork the code seeing as how unresponsive SMOKE and MsCollec are. They are simply not in any shape to continue with this coin. I refuse to pay anything else just to receive the dodgey looking anon exchange SMOKE devs have set up. Now that I've seen it, I know it was a bad idea to begin with. It does not add much value to voot seeing how it is just a regular exchange. I also doubt it's unique code as it had "ecoinstrader" or something branded on it.

But enough about that, at this point the anon exchange does not matter. I don't think Voot needs it. What we need now are new community leaders, we need the entire community to make a decision we can all be happy with. The preliminary Voot Foundation was formed by a few members here to get things started. I understand some of you may be unhappy that these decisions were made a bit too hastily but we must act fast. We need to get things moving ,get the coin forked and have it in the possession of the community, at least then we can make progress. We won't get anywhere waiting for MsCollec or SMOKE to respond to our questions one by one.

So, from this post on ,I want to hear everyone's opinion. If you have any persons you wish to elect to be part of the Voot Foundation, even if it is yourself, post it here and tell us WHY.

You guys will need to let me know what types of votings we should have. Decisions should now be made as a community. I will following the thread more closely but keep the FUD and garbage/off-topic shit to a minimum, PLEASE.

The initiative to start the Voot Foundation asap was in the best intentions of VOOT. If we were to drag this on, who knows what would have happened. People were already losing confidence and wanted to see actions, not plans.

As many members mentioned, none of the memberships are set in stone.

So, instead of having a hissy fit why not join us on IRC and help out? It would be way more productive then throwing tantrums left and right..

I do wonder why you are so angry. Isn't this a great initiative to get Voot on track.

We are not power hungry,  we're just ordinary people that wanted to do something about this mess.
I'm just here to help, i could do a lot of other stuff with my free time.

I have invested in Voot and could have abandoned a long time ago, i didnt.
Now here we are and this is just a temporary solution,  the current organization is not set in stone.

Really disappointed with the smoke team and especially their communication style.

This is like, if I employee & pay a contractor to build a house for me and after completing of the house, I have to pay them again to take ownership of the house   . Smoke team where employed to build & hand over the anon exchange and not lease or resell it to the Voot community.

@Smoke team,

please speak up! extorting the voot community is not the correct approach for the benefit of the coin and for  your reputation.

If you remember that Smoke team wants to start their own coin, the "difficulties" in negotiation become a lot clearer.

ANON EXCHANGE
As far as I know, the problem lies between the agreement between Mscollec and Smoke. No one is 100% sure on it, and we are lacking Mscollec's response. Based on what I can tell, Mscollec only paid Smoke team to code and create the exchange but the ownership of the exchange lies with Smoke team.  This is kinda strange, because normally when you employ someone to create a website for you, it is understood/normal practice that, the provider of the funds is the owner.

I believe this is the issue with Smoke not handing over the exchange and needs someone to 'buy off' the exchange from them. Mscollec can quote me here, if my understanding is wrong.


It's strange to see smoke take this approach, and especially if they aren't allowing the code review, no one will deposit coins in that exchange.

VOOT FOUNDATION
Regarding the voot foundation, I know some of you are surprised that there has been no voting done. Please note that everyone except Whale and Jeff are temporary members and no these temp members are not power hungry & remain in their position for ever. Aim for this temp voot foundation, is to moderate and stabilize the situation. Once we get a clear sense of direction, we can formally go for a voot foundation election.

Jeff is also working on bringing his dev friend on board to take over this coin.

We need a doctor, doctor, to bring us back to life. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VA770wpLX-Q

Exchange,btc38 this is not important for vootcoin if big hands Strong hands for voot if the boiler could be but i learn somethin for dev says nothing nobody knows 28millons coins only one hand and he or them buy buy buy tons of cheap coin they only wait everybodys are when out voot prices rise rise rise i believe it and i saw

yep, rebranding is cool, like sum-sum2-nav. Summercoin team made the dead coin to survive, we will do better.