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Can I Withdrawal my VRC from MP to my wallet then?

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七福神 @Li_Zhuan  ·  8m
#cryptojapan is fully behind #Vericoin. My friend write for me:
Wait until you see the full force of daikoku10crypto, li_zhuan, and crew.

What are you talking about, vericoin community decided to go with the forked chain and showed support for it. Now you can FUD elsewhere.

From here forward I will use 'we' as in 'crypto'

We have the ability, to undo unjust massive criminal actions.
We have the ability to stand up and fight for the rights of people.
We have the ability to make ground breaking decisions for the positive side of things finally.
We have the ability to CHOOSE if we do not like something and move on.
We have the ability to let the people determine the fate of when an exchange when they ever so blatantly disregards their own statements regarding security, by choosing to not use them.
We have the ability to not let a thief become a centralized , determining factor of a project.
We do not have to take a beating from others lacking judgement when so many could/would have been affected.
We do NOT have to mimic and or follow in the footsteps of others every move , just because 'they' would or wouldn't because they were the 1st to create an idea or movement. (yes I am implying BTC here)

We are in a revolution, and revolutionary progress, is not simply not following an old path, it requires leadership , that make fast, appropriate and responsive decisions that would affect masses, both good & bad.

I for one am proud, that the team involved with VRC, had the moral capability to step outside the box that 'some' seem trapped in, to make a difficult decision.

Walking behind others will never lead you down a new path where evolution is detrimental to success.

Everyone, enjoy your day.

That is the mos important part.
The dev decided to make a change but the people didn't.
And in the end it was the users that decided the which chain was the right one.

Here there was decision taken by a few to protect a business , nothing more.

Yeah, and think about his efforts too, the hard work he put into this - where is his hard earned reward now?
I really feel so much sympathy for him. /s

BTW, bought me some VRC today and will continue to add. Go vericoin!  \o/

When be back Vericoin pool?

And why is nobody talking about the poor thief?  I mean his feeling are probably really hurt he didn't get to take millions from thousands of people.  VRC devs should be ashamed, taking hard earned money from a thief.

Wow! That's horrible of them! Saving their coin and investor's money! What kind of a world do we live in where people are allowed to make such heinous attacks against the very fabric of cryptocurrencies

Wow. I dumped all my coins, expecting a huge dump. But I must say its hodl out quite well.

I think I'm waiting for a little lower prices before looking to hoover up a few more.

I agree with the saving the coin bit, not the saving investors' money bit - that shouldn't even come into it as it's not the devs responsibility to look after people's misplaced investments.

But yes, I see why they did it to save the coin

Let's make some math:
- Mintpal's daily volume was around BTC 2.5K, some BTC 5 daily revenues or US$ 2500 (based on 0.2% transaction fee)
- VRC 8M were valued at some US$1.65M
- This means some 660 days of MintPal's revenues
- Let's assume some VRC 12K coins as an average position
- This means some 660 people were holding their coins at MP

Conclusions:
1) MP would never be able to pay and would go bankrupt
2) As an immediate consequence, all 660 VRC holders would loose their money
3) With 30% of VRC coins out there available for further attacks, VRC would crash and all people holding it would loose their money

So, please, let not fool ourselves: It was not about saving MintPal. It was about saving the coin and the investors' money.

Withdrawals being processed...no plans to open VRC/BTC market

someone can quickly update me about mintpal...any news?

I have posted several times that I also believe the devs acted wisely. But the gratitude for it would be quite excessive since their options were so limited that, in fact, there was nothing else they could do. Thanking someone for doing the only thing they could possibly do, is overkill, I'd say. Did they save the coin? obviously they did. But that benefits no one more than themselves -other than the Black Hand, of course, which is a very important consideration by the way-. If they did nothing, VRC couldn't exist today. Neither would MintPal... nor the BLACK HAND. And the reputations and the names of these devs would be ruined forever, while the same bar of transparency that they raised significantly with VRC, would actually prevent them from any position of significance, ever again, in crypto.

So the gratitude is far from warranted... even if, as is the case, I fully support what they were forced to do.

And on that note, I still fail to see - that's why I expect, anxiously, the addressing of the matter in the hangout-, the reason (or price, for VRC should benefit monetarily and in significant measure for it) for saving MintPal, obviously the element at fault besides the crooks. From ANY perspective, Mintpal, the responsible part for inadequately handling the coins they were entrusted with, is the overwhelming winner in this fiasco they allowed to happen. They would be bankrupt by now, without any doubt. Instead, they are still in business -although I hope people will rush out of Dodge on that regard and force them to close shop as of tomorrow- and their negligence hasn't cost them a penny, thanks to the VRC devs.

Accountability, unfortunately -along with flagrant fraud and thievery- continues to be dominant in cryptoworld. Even while the good guys, seemingly, have started to arrive.

Normal world regulation is so sorely needed...

Volume relatively low.  Major indicator will be Mintpal once online.

0.00031 Bittrix 213.2 BTC Volume
0.00031 Cryptsy 69.5 BTC Volume

My agenda? You must be some new kind of clairvoyant because I have no agenda whatsoever on VRC. I own a small amount, currently profitable. And, quite frankly, I don't care -although I'd prefer it would go much higher, of course-, what the price does in the next few days.

But tell me, so at least I will know what MY agenda is, please... If you can add your age that could be quite clarifying too...

I don't have any vrc atm, but I find it how funny and clear your agenda is.  They will never see you coming.

The new smoothie has arrived keeping vrc at the top of the forums list.  Welcome!

Not sure if this was posted yet or not, hard to keep up with this thread sometimes





VeriCoin Developer Speaks with CCN on MintPal Hardfork


When you all first found out MintPal was attacked, what was your initial response?


Well, there are three things you can do then.

Option One: You can do nothing, which means the guy who stole the coins can get 30 percent of all the VeriCoins. He can do whatever he wants with it, which includes staking it and having a 51 percent attack.

Option two: You can take that information and hope that he doesn’t send it before you can patch the wallet code to block any transactions coming from his address; shrinking the market cap by 8 million coins. It would leave MintPal without those coins, and they would have to reimburse their users. That was an option we took really seriously actually. Another thing you can do as part of that option is add in the code to allow the developers to mine the coin back and send them to MintPal.

That’s trivial though because it would’ve taken a lot of time to do. I suspect that if we took the time to do that, the hackers would have already sent the coin out and sold it. But that was an option, and that’s an option that Libertycoin took when they blocked the developer’s hidden premine. It had been done before, and it had worked, but we didn’t know if it would work for VeriCoin. It would have taken a few days to research how to do it effectively with the Proof-of-Stake system we have.

The third option was to go back on the blockchain to a point before the transaction and send the coins out from the same inputs quickly to a new address before they could be sent out again by the hacker if he has private keys. So that’s the option we took.

On the hardfork.

It’s really unfortunate. Hardforking the blockchain is something that no one wants to do, and no one has done for a reason like this before. We’re the first coin to do this, which is kind of weird in some ways but also kind of awesome in others. We did it because we really care about people that have the coin, but the main reason is that we didn’t want people to attack the coin at their leisure in the future.

Some people accused us of dealing at MintPal, but it’s not like that. If we don’t do this, we’re going to get attacked possibly someday, then it’s no good, and no one will ever use it again. If we hardfork and people don’t like it, then the coin’s dead anyway. The worst option was to do nothing because it guarantees VeriCoin dies.

People are worried that this might set precedent for other coins to respond the same. An example would be if Bitcoin did this when Mt.Gox happened.

Bitcoin has forked two times, significantly. One was in 2010 when someone was able to mint billions of Bitcoins. They had to go back 100 transactions and reset the chain. Thankfully, the network was really small then, and all the developers had to do was get to the big pools and tell them to update their codes. Bitcoin was really small, and no one cared about it, so it didn’t get much attention.

The second event was where Bitcoin was updating from, I believe, 0.7 to 0.8. People didn’t like the 0.8 change, so some people didn’t move over. Basically, they were competing on two parallel chains for a long time. Eventually, the developers decided to revert back to 0.7.

When people say we’re abusing our power, that’s fine; they can say what they want to. I don’t think of it that way, because we were going out of our way to prevent the coin from dying off. Most of the people who are critical of this are people that don’t own it and are people that want another coin to succeed. They attack every coin and right now it’s a good opportunity to attack VeriCoin.

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There is more, read the full article @ http://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/news/vericoin-developer-speaks-ccn-mintpal-hardfork/2014/07/15

Regardless of whether or not you two are or aren't the same person. It's irrelevant. I told you to wind your neck in. Which you obviously still need to heed.