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Topic: [ANN][XCP] Counterparty - Pioneering Peer-to-Peer Finance - Official Thread - page 189. (Read 1276789 times)

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Price speculation ... Interesting:
http://www.cryptocoincharts.info/pair/xcp/btc/poloniex/alltime
http://www.cryptocoincharts.info/pair/xcp/btc/bter/alltime
Did it start on Poloniex in March or was it traded somewhere else before?

So XCP hasn't had a single rally yet?

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Just this recent blip on the Overstock news.
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Price speculation ... Interesting:
http://www.cryptocoincharts.info/pair/xcp/btc/poloniex/alltime
http://www.cryptocoincharts.info/pair/xcp/btc/bter/alltime
Did it start on Poloniex in March or was it traded somewhere else before?

So XCP hasn't had a single rally yet?

!


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Robby on Beyond Bitcoin: http://letstalkbitcoin.com/blog/post/beyond-bitcoin-17-counterpartying-with-robby-dermody

"Over the next few years I want Counterparty to be seen as a legitimate alternative to traditional capital markets"

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2. It's going to be built on Counterparty and as part of the Counterparty platform.

On Counterparty network or on Counterparty code?

On the Counterparty network. Not a fork. As much a part of Counterparty as possible.

Is there a link to words of Patrick Byrne regaring this issue? People that know how business is done won't believe that a CEO agrees to lose even a small part of the control they have. For XCP holders it may mean only 2 things:

1. Patrick will buy 99% of all XCP to remove even a small chance that other XCP holders could manipulate the market.
2. XCP won't affect Medici at all and hence will be unusable here, more likely trades will be done directly in BTC and in the best case XCP will be used to pay transaction fee (subject to 7 tx/sec limit).

Phantom addressed this earlier in the thread. Search the last few pages or so and you'll find it.

1. Wouldn't he need to do the same for dollars then?
2. It's easier to use XCP on the DEx. Transaction fees on the Bitcoin network cannot be paid in XCP.

Regarding the first point, Overstock buying 99% of XCP, or at least a very good stake :

1/ Why wouldn't Patrick Byrne buy every XCP possible, especially weeks before Medici is released, or before a new issuance. Others companies are planned, he will be the first to know, and the more documented.
Did you notice that every XCP under 0.0050 have been bought last weeks ? I can't see any rational argument against Overstock accumulating XCP.

2/ It is not the same as buying dollars. XCP supply is limited and deflationary, on contrary of Dollar. BTC comparing to XCP is a better comparison, and obviously, it was right to buy BTC in the earlier stages.

3/ He said he would create a multi-billion company, as big as Alibaba. As somebody wrote, with this kind of ambition, I would hazard nothing.

The real hurdle is that liquidity is low, so buying a minor stake could cost a huge amount.
Furthermore, the only (honnest) way to buy at cheapest prices under the radar, is to release no significant news for weeks.
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As far as I know, you cannot put btc in escrow mode. Am I right?

Counterparty escrows tokens immediately when an order is placed. Since it cannot escrow bitcoin, the BTCPay transaction is required and Counterwallet takes care of BTCPay as long as you keep it open while your BTC-selling trades are live. Therefore it doesn't take more manual work but adds some uncertainty to a trade as it's not very clear if/when your order will be matched.

Token to token trades are final as soon as orders are matched so would be better if trading from XXXX to YYYY where the XXXX/YYYY pair doesn't have as much liquidity as either the XXXX/XCP or YYYY/XCP pairs and time is of the essence.
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What if the core devs shorten the OP_RETURN again?


OP_RETURN is a clean solution and Counterparty would like to use it for that reason. It is not required.
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As far as I know, you cannot put btc in escrow mode. Am I right?

Correct. Besides being easier, it's also cheaper to trade on the DEx with XCP if I recall correctly.
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As far as I know, you cannot put btc in escrow mode. Am I right?

oh, I've no idea about how that is coded. All I know is Counterparty allows not only asset/XCP trading, but also asset/asset trading.
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As far as I know, you cannot put btc in escrow mode. Am I right?
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The price is going down it seems, is it still cheap or was this a one time pump?

If Overstock starts trading their shares on Counterparty platform, there is a high chance that they will issue a OVRSTCK/BTC trading pair and that trading pair would enjoy most of the volume. As far as I know Counterparty allows asset-to-asset trading. CEO of Overstock being invested in Bitcoin and being the market maker for their own shares would be willing to support the price of Bitcoin, and would only need a small amount of XCP for transaction fees. Same would go for buyers of Overstock shares. It's not clear how this would help drive demand for XCP.
1. OVRSTCK/BTC needs btcPay which replies on the buyer's decision to finished the transaction
2. the CEO may have also invested in XCP already, he is a pioneer in BTC, he will be the same in BTC2.0.
3. OVRSTCK/XCP is more feasible trading pair. This will drive the price/value in XCP
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The price is going down it seems, is it still cheap or was this a one time pump?

Whenever a security goes on a short-term upswing more sellers enter the market to book profits. Maybe some have been holding for months and now want to cash in some sweet gains.

I would be happy to hold my XCP for a long time as really, the Overstock announcement is just the beginning of a burgeoning ecosystem of financial tools/services built on the platform.
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The price is going down it seems, is it still cheap or was this a one time pump?

If Overstock starts trading their shares on Counterparty platform, there is a high chance that they will issue a OVRSTCK/BTC trading pair and that trading pair would enjoy most of the volume. As far as I know Counterparty allows asset-to-asset trading. CEO of Overstock being invested in Bitcoin and being the market maker for their own shares would be willing to support the price of Bitcoin, and would only need a small amount of XCP for transaction fees. Same would go for buyers of Overstock shares. It's not clear how this would help drive demand for XCP.

the thing is that they do not only want to write a security on counterparty (which I assumed) but use the protocol in a wider way and built a whole front end application. let us see how and in what way they will use xcp. Following the early posts of the core developers, they said that they only get monetarily rewarded by their protocol building in the case that the native currency is gaining traction.

all that being said it is a great announcement for counterparty - do not forget this is little more than 9 months old.
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There needs to be more discussion on the official Counterparty Forums - https://forums.counterparty.io/

The more people involved the better!

For example, I would appreciate help with developing some of the ideas in this thread - https://forums.counterparty.io/discussion/418/the-crossparty-protocol#latest
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Not true. The Counterparty software currently encodes extra data as multisig transactions which are indeed mined, that's why OP_RETURN is not used now.
ok thanks for clearing that up
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The price is going down it seems, is it still cheap or was this a one time pump?

If Overstock starts trading their shares on Counterparty platform, there is a high chance that they will issue a OVRSTCK/BTC trading pair and that trading pair would enjoy most of the volume. As far as I know Counterparty allows asset-to-asset trading. CEO of Overstock being invested in Bitcoin and being the market maker for their own shares would be willing to support the price of Bitcoin, and would only need a small amount of XCP for transaction fees. Same would go for buyers of Overstock shares. It's not clear how this would help drive demand for XCP.
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OP_RETURN in Counterparty is currently not used in lieu of multisig transactions due to, as a comment in the code states, BTC Guild doesn't mine OP_RETURN. Hopefully sanity will prevail and 80+ byte OP_RETURN will be widely mined.
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Ok just wasnt sure what the latest is on all that, so of BTC Guild mines a block then ZERO counterparty actions take place, currently.
Not true. The Counterparty software currently encodes extra data as multisig transactions which are indeed mined, that's why OP_RETURN is not used now.
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The price is going down it seems, is it still cheap or was this a one time pump?
Of course there will be some pull back from a high but who knows what the future holds. In any case, it's best to take price talk and speculation to https://forums.counterparty.io/discussion/701/xcp-price-speculation
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OP_RETURN in Counterparty is currently not used in lieu of multisig transactions due to, as a comment in the code states, BTC Guild doesn't mine OP_RETURN. Hopefully sanity will prevail and 80+ byte OP_RETURN will be widely mined.
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Ok just wasnt sure what the latest is on all that, so of BTC Guild mines a block then ZERO counterparty actions take place, currently.
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What if the core devs shorten the OP_RETURN again?


Eligius has set the OP_RETURN limit to 80. Not sure about the other mines.

Besides, I remember that the devs said that even with 40 bytes OP_RETURN (possible for a simple Counterparty asset send, for instance) the transaction takes too much time to be confirmed.

I guess that consensus takes time to achieve. Medici could help them change their mind.
OP_RETURN in Counterparty is currently not used in lieu of multisig transactions due to, as a comment in the code states, BTC Guild doesn't mine OP_RETURN. Hopefully sanity will prevail and 80+ byte OP_RETURN will be widely mined.
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