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Topic: ANTMINER S2 Discussion and Support Thread - page 98. (Read 355730 times)

legendary
Activity: 3220
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I've ordered a lot of hardware from Bitmain in the past and now I've got like 12 coupons on bitmain (6 for the S1 and 6 for the S2) and I see there's a donate button, does that mean I can transfer them to someone else? Has anyone done this... sorry for the slightly off-topic post.

No I think its on topic. Wanna do a test? PM me your Reciever ID and I'll send you a S1 coupon, and then you can send it back Smiley

I have 5 S1 and a few S2 if you want to trade ?
user id is pjcltd


I donated you 1 S1 coupon, let me know if you got it.
hero member
Activity: 532
Merit: 500
Right now bitmain has the cheapest (arguably) 1THs miners. It makes sense for them to do things this way. And they are lowering prices MUCH faster than their competitors which leads to more people buying their hardware, Its a savvy business move and we benefit from the lowered price. Their hardware works just fine. Could be packed better but overall just works. And that is the most important quality in all this. The ASIC market at the 1THs+  level is relatively small in terms of actual players (not counting non-shipping pre-orders like BFL and such). There are only a couple of real players in the field. And price is a huge competitive advantage.

If spondoolies lowered their prices to something comparable to bitmain they would dominate the market. But not likley as they are still in the very early stages of growth. bitmain is an established player and has the momentum needed to stay. spondoolies still has not even hit their year mark benchmark. Other competitors are in the same boat. Bitmain simply are the better value right now from a straight price point. This is disregarding all the other considerations in Ghs per watt and such.
legendary
Activity: 1274
Merit: 1004
Exactly this.

But it is strange, when you know exactly the total cost of your product, when changing the final price, means:

-Cost changes on daily basis
or
-Markup on cost changes purposely on a daily basis

I cannot believe that their cost changes on a daily basis.
I think it is most probable that they decrease their markup daily.

I cannot understand , though,  this strategy.

The cost of an iphone is 10 usd per piece that is what apple paid foxconn.
The bulk of the 199-10 = 189 is in paying for marketting gurus and r&d engineers.
Are you sure you're not thinking of the iPhrone, made by Grapple? Because an iPhone definitely doesn't cost $10, and they don't charge anyone $200 for it. $200 is pretty much their cost.
https://technology.ihs.com/410378/iphone-5-carries-199-bom-virtual-teardown-reveals
sr. member
Activity: 395
Merit: 250
Exactly this.

But it is strange, when you know exactly the total cost of your product, when changing the final price, means:

-Cost changes on daily basis
or
-Markup on cost changes purposely on a daily basis

I cannot believe that their cost changes on a daily basis.
I think it is most probable that they decrease their markup daily.

I cannot understand , though,  this strategy.

The cost of an iphone is 10 usd per piece that is what apple paid foxconn.
The bulk of the 199-10 = 189 is in paying for marketting gurus and r&d engineers.

The cost of building electronic in china is simply unbeatable an antminer s2 will cost no more than 500 usd to produce. The PSU cost is actually quite large in proportion to the hashing boards, add 150 usd to that 500 still cost 650 maybe, they are doing what a good company should be doing that is value-based pricing. There were people who'd pay 3000 usd for s2 back in march, their batch 1 sold in less than 24 hours why sell for less ? Maybe should've asked for more... as diff increases they can lower it bit by bit and still profit.

Remember they're still using the 55nm chips, and who knows maybe they populated them in a huge board to test run it for a month before repopulate them again  into s1 and s2 Wink double time.

legendary
Activity: 1778
Merit: 1003
NodeMasters
I've ordered a lot of hardware from Bitmain in the past and now I've got like 12 coupons on bitmain (6 for the S1 and 6 for the S2) and I see there's a donate button, does that mean I can transfer them to someone else? Has anyone done this... sorry for the slightly off-topic post.

No I think its on topic. Wanna do a test? PM me your Reciever ID and I'll send you a S1 coupon, and then you can send it back Smiley

I have 5 S1 and a few S2 if you want to trade ?
user id is pjcltd
legendary
Activity: 3220
Merit: 1220
I've ordered a lot of hardware from Bitmain in the past and now I've got like 12 coupons on bitmain (6 for the S1 and 6 for the S2) and I see there's a donate button, does that mean I can transfer them to someone else? Has anyone done this... sorry for the slightly off-topic post.

No I think its on topic. Wanna do a test? PM me your Reciever ID and I'll send you a S1 coupon, and then you can send it back Smiley
legendary
Activity: 1512
Merit: 1057
SpacePirate.io
I've ordered a lot of hardware from Bitmain in the past and now I've got like 12 coupons on bitmain (6 for the S1 and 6 for the S2) and I see there's a donate button, does that mean I can transfer them to someone else? Has anyone done this... sorry for the slightly off-topic post.
sr. member
Activity: 532
Merit: 269
BITMAIN YOU KNOW THIS IS A PROBLEM DO YOURSELF AND YOUR CUSTMOMERS A FAVOUR AND SHIP THE CARDS UNINSTALLED.

exactly. wrap the cards separate to be installed on arrival. but of course that would require possibly more space and have them trying to jam all the wrapped cards into the case creating problems of the cars corners eating thru the packing and damaging other things.

you would think after 4 items arrive damaged they would hire an Ape to toss a shipping box around until the outcome is no damage.


All that needs to be done is adding braces to the card cage at the mid-point and re-evaluating the tolerances between the cards and the card cage.  If one wanted to go the extra mile, one could use the black foam from B2 (or whichever) on the bar that locks the cards down.

Right I suggested something similar. A crossbar and possibly some kind of plexiglass to cover the cards...which also helps with airflow as well as it ducts it better. Cooling is improved.

Or just ship them like ASICMiner - Nice foam in the blades and backplane - Nice bit of DIY hardly diy just simple plug and play but yeah they need to update there design team or package team so much for QC Checks.... Or how it
legendary
Activity: 3220
Merit: 1220
actually you all misinterpreted my point entirely, i am not pissed off at the discounts as such.

im pissed that each time they are just small enough to barely make a difference.

NOT ONCE have i thought, what a bargain!! Im in!!

its always. ffs, might as well.

and let us be fair, these products barely make the 'good' grade.



what group buy??

Well you don't have to buy one every time there is a price drop, you can wait for a couple of price drops till its worthwhile. Smiley
hero member
Activity: 532
Merit: 500
BITMAIN YOU KNOW THIS IS A PROBLEM DO YOURSELF AND YOUR CUSTMOMERS A FAVOUR AND SHIP THE CARDS UNINSTALLED.

exactly. wrap the cards separate to be installed on arrival. but of course that would require possibly more space and have them trying to jam all the wrapped cards into the case creating problems of the cars corners eating thru the packing and damaging other things.

you would think after 4 items arrive damaged they would hire an Ape to toss a shipping box around until the outcome is no damage.


All that needs to be done is adding braces to the card cage at the mid-point and re-evaluating the tolerances between the cards and the card cage.  If one wanted to go the extra mile, one could use the black foam from B2 (or whichever) on the bar that locks the cards down.

Right I suggested something similar. A crossbar and possibly some kind of plexiglass to cover the cards...which also helps with airflow as well as it ducts it better. Cooling is improved.
legendary
Activity: 1512
Merit: 1000
BITMAIN YOU KNOW THIS IS A PROBLEM DO YOURSELF AND YOUR CUSTMOMERS A FAVOUR AND SHIP THE CARDS UNINSTALLED.

exactly. wrap the cards separate to be installed on arrival. but of course that would require possibly more space and have them trying to jam all the wrapped cards into the case creating problems of the cars corners eating thru the packing and damaging other things.

you would think after 4 items arrive damaged they would hire an Ape to toss a shipping box around until the outcome is no damage.


All that needs to be done is adding braces to the card cage at the mid-point and re-evaluating the tolerances between the cards and the card cage.  If one wanted to go the extra mile, one could use the black foam from B2 (or whichever) on the bar that locks the cards down.
hero member
Activity: 569
Merit: 500
BITMAIN YOU KNOW THIS IS A PROBLEM DO YOURSELF AND YOUR CUSTMOMERS A FAVOUR AND SHIP THE CARDS UNINSTALLED.

exactly. wrap the cards separate to be installed on arrival. but of course that would require possibly more space and have them trying to jam all the wrapped cards into the case creating problems of the cars corners eating thru the packing and damaging other things.

you would think after 4 items arrive damaged they would hire an Ape to toss a shipping box around until the outcome is no damage.
member
Activity: 98
Merit: 10
Exactly this.

But it is strange, when you know exactly the total cost of your product, when changing the final price, means:

-Cost changes on daily basis
or
-Markup on cost changes purposely on a daily basis

I cannot believe that their cost changes on a daily basis.
I think it is most probable that they decrease their markup daily.

I cannot understand , though,  this strategy.

They are reducing the price gradually... I rather see the price drop slowly overtime...
Considering the price of SP30 - $11,995 was sold $4,995 per unit in RoadStress' awesome group buy... that is a difference of $6,000... Right there is a huge profit margin...

These guys are running a business and not out to do you a favor... So I don't blame both of the companies, if there is a demand people will pay for it... Welcome to capitalism...
hero member
Activity: 728
Merit: 500
Let me do a little napkin math for you.

S2 today with $400 coupon = 1989 Shipped

Group Buy shipping in 10 days = 1650 Shipped

1Thash in 10 days will bring in a max of $240.71 at today's prices.

$1989-$241= $1798

You will save yourself $148 minimum by using the group buy instead since the difficulty will go up about half way through the 10 day period by the time you receive your order placed today. I would expect savings to be closer to the $220 range.

Buying direct from Bitmain will be attractive once the S2 prices reach $2150 before coupon.
legendary
Activity: 3892
Merit: 4331
I cannot understand , though,  this strategy.

It is quite good strategy. Some people have $3000 in their back pocket, some $2000...So, by depreciating the machine as it's earning potential decreases, they open up sales for more and more customers and it wrecks havoc with their fixed price competitors. The product has to be good, though.
legendary
Activity: 966
Merit: 1003
Their pricing strategy was clearly stated by them in one of the very first postings they made introducing their company and their first product.
hero member
Activity: 532
Merit: 500
i find these piddly price cuts quite offensive...

hey guys, a week after i overcharged you for almost exactly a TH, here i am again with a HUGE discount...

reminds me of the 0.05BTC coupons or were they 0.005


whatever its a pisstake.




You do realize that Bitcoin miners are a depreciating asset that are worth less everyday unless the price of BTC increases, don't you? Bitmain is simply pricing their product based on that reality.

This complaint sounds like sour grapes. Oh, poor baby, someone else got a better deal on a miner than you did.

Keep an eye on prices, and if they are going down faster than what the miner can earn by mining like they are now, it's probably better to wait than it is to buy...

As much as I hate the idea, kendog makes sense with that. I bought one at the 2599 price point. Bugs me to see it go down. BUT it is a depreciating value. In some ways its actually a good thing as buying another miner turns out to be cheaper, and it goes on from there. And they are staying very competitive noticing the dragon miner also doing something similar. spondoolies is maintaining the same pricing (while excellent quality systems) they are keeping themselves in the premium space in terms of hardware for larger volume datacenter operations. bitmain caters to both.
hero member
Activity: 728
Merit: 500
Exactly this.

But it is strange, when you know exactly the total cost of your product, when changing the final price, means:

-Cost changes on daily basis
or
-Markup on cost changes purposely on a daily basis

I cannot believe that their cost changes on a daily basis.
I think it is most probable that they decrease their markup daily.

I cannot understand , though,  this strategy.
hero member
Activity: 742
Merit: 500
i find these piddly price cuts quite offensive...

hey guys, a week after i overcharged you for almost exactly a TH, here i am again with a HUGE discount...

reminds me of the 0.05BTC coupons or were they 0.005


whatever its a pisstake.




You do realize that Bitcoin miners are a depreciating asset that are worth less everyday unless the price of BTC increases, don't you? Bitmain is simply pricing their product based on that reality.

This complaint sounds like sour grapes. Oh, poor baby, someone else got a better deal on a miner than you did.

Keep an eye on prices, and if they are going down faster than what the miner can earn by mining like they are now, it's probably better to wait than it is to buy...
newbie
Activity: 35
Merit: 0
Yes, when I was saying that a week ago, you all yelled at me.

I cannot understand the reason of discounting everyday, it makes old customers getting pissed off.

Um...
It's called being competitive.
And addressing the need of customer, which is fair as an s1 delivered later will earn less compared to s1 delivered earlier.
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