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sr. member
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Found Lost beach - quiet now

In the current flash that Bitmain offers, the option to change the voltage is right on the Advanced Settings tab on the Miner Configuration page. There is no simple drop-down menu like for the frequency, but you have to enter the voltage number.  Remember the default is  0.784V.

There is a thread probably that you would be interested in, I searched for it for you: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/undervolt-antminer-s3-771979

Thanks for the info. I must have been searching wrong.
sr. member
Activity: 294
Merit: 250
With cooling season approaching, I need to increase the efficiency of my S3+s or turn them off. I've seen sporadic discussions on best firmware to upgrade to, how to undervoltage, etc., with differing results.

Is there a thread on increasing S3+ efficiency and a "proven best" method out here?

It's not hard to test yourself with a watt meter at the wall. For every frequency wait until the fans are at the normal rate, then record the wattage at the wall and the work utility number on the miner. A simple calculation will show you what frequency provides the best use of watts to hashes. Doing it yourself also will account for the difference your power supply makes.

My best option was to vent things outside directly. Problem solved for me, and still overclocked.

My numbers currently:
OC'd at 250, WU 7,021, 399 watts. So 17.6 WU per watt consumed.

I'm an electrical engineer and have a spread sheet of measurements to determine J/GH at the wall. Looking at my last bill and with my electricity cost at 0.13/kWh and the current BTC value, I'm just breaking even or making a small profit when I factored in the reduced heating cost during the winter. Simply changing the frequency won't make a significant difference. Was hoping to change freq and also undervolt but read mixed results on that also based on firmware and other issues. I had great success using the HB-lead method to keep my S1s profitable for a long time. I haven't been back here for a while and I was hoping someone had an S3 solution.

I shut down my miners and wonder about the future of BTC when more people do the same. I know if enough do, difficulty will decrease, ... Huh

If what you say is true, I'm wondering why people under-clock if performance per watt does not increase. So I had to test 200mhz with my own eyes.

To review, OC'd at 250, WU 7,021, 399 watts. So 17.6 WU per watt consumed. That's putting out an average of 505GH/s.
Underclocked at 200, WU 5680, 305 watts. That's 18.2 WU per watt consumed. Putting out about 406GH/s

So sure it's a little better, you save about one old bright hot incandescent light bulb from being on 24 hours a day, for a loss of about 100GH/s. That could make the difference in some people's power costs. Some people with lots of things plugged in or lights on might be able to save 100 watts from being used daily.


I didn't say performance per watt, or efficiency in terms of energy/hash (J/Gh) or in terms of power/hash rate (W/Gh/s) doesn't increase from underclocking (or changing the frequency). I just said it's not significant, which you confirm in your numbers above. That's why I was more interested in whether anyone had a proven technique for undervoltage, or lowering the voltage to each chip. I did this with my S1s last year and ended up reducing the J/Gh number on each by about 1/3, meaning I was getting the same hash for about 33% less energy. That is a significant efficiency improvement. On the S1s, I changed the voltage by using an HB lead pencil trace to reduce the resistance in a voltage divider circuit for each chip that led to a lower chip operating voltage. I read that you can undervolt the S3 chips much easier through a firmware switch on some of the firmware updates. But have read mixed reviews and was wondering if anyone had succeeded in making a significant efficiency jump using that technique.

In the current flash that Bitmain offers, the option to change the voltage is right on the Advanced Settings tab on the Miner Configuration page. There is no simple drop-down menu like for the frequency, but you have to enter the voltage number.  Remember the default is  0.784V.

There is a thread probably that you would be interested in, I searched for it for you: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/undervolt-antminer-s3-771979
sr. member
Activity: 442
Merit: 250
Found Lost beach - quiet now
With cooling season approaching, I need to increase the efficiency of my S3+s or turn them off. I've seen sporadic discussions on best firmware to upgrade to, how to undervoltage, etc., with differing results.

Is there a thread on increasing S3+ efficiency and a "proven best" method out here?

It's not hard to test yourself with a watt meter at the wall. For every frequency wait until the fans are at the normal rate, then record the wattage at the wall and the work utility number on the miner. A simple calculation will show you what frequency provides the best use of watts to hashes. Doing it yourself also will account for the difference your power supply makes.

My best option was to vent things outside directly. Problem solved for me, and still overclocked.

My numbers currently:
OC'd at 250, WU 7,021, 399 watts. So 17.6 WU per watt consumed.

I'm an electrical engineer and have a spread sheet of measurements to determine J/GH at the wall. Looking at my last bill and with my electricity cost at 0.13/kWh and the current BTC value, I'm just breaking even or making a small profit when I factored in the reduced heating cost during the winter. Simply changing the frequency won't make a significant difference. Was hoping to change freq and also undervolt but read mixed results on that also based on firmware and other issues. I had great success using the HB-lead method to keep my S1s profitable for a long time. I haven't been back here for a while and I was hoping someone had an S3 solution.

I shut down my miners and wonder about the future of BTC when more people do the same. I know if enough do, difficulty will decrease, ... Huh

If what you say is true, I'm wondering why people under-clock if performance per watt does not increase. So I had to test 200mhz with my own eyes.

To review, OC'd at 250, WU 7,021, 399 watts. So 17.6 WU per watt consumed. That's putting out an average of 505GH/s.
Underclocked at 200, WU 5680, 305 watts. That's 18.2 WU per watt consumed. Putting out about 406GH/s

So sure it's a little better, you save about one old bright hot incandescent light bulb from being on 24 hours a day, for a loss of about 100GH/s. That could make the difference in some people's power costs. Some people with lots of things plugged in or lights on might be able to save 100 watts from being used daily.


I didn't say performance per watt, or efficiency in terms of energy/hash (J/Gh) or in terms of power/hash rate (W/Gh/s) doesn't increase from underclocking (or changing the frequency). I just said it's not significant, which you confirm in your numbers above. That's why I was more interested in whether anyone had a proven technique for undervoltage, or lowering the voltage to each chip. I did this with my S1s last year and ended up reducing the J/Gh number on each by about 1/3, meaning I was getting the same hash for about 33% less energy. That is a significant efficiency improvement. On the S1s, I changed the voltage by using an HB lead pencil trace to reduce the resistance in a voltage divider circuit for each chip that led to a lower chip operating voltage. I read that you can undervolt the S3 chips much easier through a firmware switch on some of the firmware updates. But have read mixed reviews and was wondering if anyone had succeeded in making a significant efficiency jump using that technique.
newbie
Activity: 28
Merit: 0
How to will turn off miner that any problem isnt will be ?

How turn off your miner ?
newbie
Activity: 28
Merit: 0
s3 that is turn on and from PSU that i shut off s3 after this isn't problem ?


so , how to will turn off sometimes miner  ?so that isn;t problem
sr. member
Activity: 294
Merit: 250
With cooling season approaching, I need to increase the efficiency of my S3+s or turn them off. I've seen sporadic discussions on best firmware to upgrade to, how to undervoltage, etc., with differing results.

Is there a thread on increasing S3+ efficiency and a "proven best" method out here?

It's not hard to test yourself with a watt meter at the wall. For every frequency wait until the fans are at the normal rate, then record the wattage at the wall and the work utility number on the miner. A simple calculation will show you what frequency provides the best use of watts to hashes. Doing it yourself also will account for the difference your power supply makes.

My best option was to vent things outside directly. Problem solved for me, and still overclocked.

My numbers currently:
OC'd at 250, WU 7,021, 399 watts. So 17.6 WU per watt consumed.

I'm an electrical engineer and have a spread sheet of measurements to determine J/GH at the wall. Looking at my last bill and with my electricity cost at 0.13/kWh and the current BTC value, I'm just breaking even or making a small profit when I factored in the reduced heating cost during the winter. Simply changing the frequency won't make a significant difference. Was hoping to change freq and also undervolt but read mixed results on that also based on firmware and other issues. I had great success using the HB-lead method to keep my S1s profitable for a long time. I haven't been back here for a while and I was hoping someone had an S3 solution.

I shut down my miners and wonder about the future of BTC when more people do the same. I know if enough do, difficulty will decrease, ... Huh

If what you say is true, I'm wondering why people under-clock if performance per watt does not increase. So I had to test 200mhz with my own eyes.

To review, OC'd at 250, WU 7,021, 399 watts. So 17.6 WU per watt consumed. That's putting out an average of 505GH/s.
Underclocked at 200, WU 5680, 305 watts. That's 18.2 WU per watt consumed. Putting out about 406GH/s

So sure it's a little better, you save about one old bright hot incandescent light bulb from being on 24 hours a day, for a loss of about 100GH/s. That could make the difference in some people's power costs. Some people with lots of things plugged in or lights on might be able to save 100 watts from being used daily.
sr. member
Activity: 442
Merit: 250
Found Lost beach - quiet now
I agree it was a good documentary. I just can no longer make a profit with my S3s and I'm not willing to continue investing in hardware. I still believe in BTC and will continue holding and hoping.
legendary
Activity: 1456
Merit: 1000
Just watched "The Rise and Rise of Bitcoin" free on Amazon Prime.

When does the "The Fall and Fall of Bitcoin" or, the empire striking back, come out  Huh

If the price goes back up then maybe we'll get "The Return of the Bitcoin Miner" for all of us who stopped mining because we're losing money.

For many it's still profitable.  It takes low priced electricity and no vat.  But it still can be done.

And that documentary is very good it took a very long time.  I don't think they have mentioned a sequel.
legendary
Activity: 1456
Merit: 1000
worth if don't that i will buy 50 miners ?

i going to that i living mining revenue.


maybe that will be any problem that mining will canceled and The end bitcoin mining era ?? Huh ?

You posted this in at least 4 threads.  Please stop spamming it everywhere.

It's much more effective if you use your own thread.
sr. member
Activity: 442
Merit: 250
Found Lost beach - quiet now
Just watched "The Rise and Rise of Bitcoin" free on Amazon Prime.

When does the "The Fall and Fall of Bitcoin" or, the empire striking back, come out  Huh

If the price goes back up then maybe we'll get "The Return of the Bitcoin Miner" for all of us who stopped mining because we're losing money.
newbie
Activity: 28
Merit: 0
worth if don't that i will buy 50 miners ?

i going to that i living mining revenue.


maybe that will be any problem that mining will canceled and The end bitcoin mining era ?? Huh ?
sr. member
Activity: 442
Merit: 250
Found Lost beach - quiet now
With cooling season approaching, I need to increase the efficiency of my S3+s or turn them off. I've seen sporadic discussions on best firmware to upgrade to, how to undervoltage, etc., with differing results.

Is there a thread on increasing S3+ efficiency and a "proven best" method out here?

It's not hard to test yourself with a watt meter at the wall. For every frequency wait until the fans are at the normal rate, then record the wattage at the wall and the work utility number on the miner. A simple calculation will show you what frequency provides the best use of watts to hashes. Doing it yourself also will account for the difference your power supply makes.

My best option was to vent things outside directly. Problem solved for me, and still overclocked.

My numbers currently:
OC'd at 250, WU 7,021, 399 watts. So 17.6 WU per watt consumed.

I'm an electrical engineer and have a spread sheet of measurements to determine J/GH at the wall. Looking at my last bill and with my electricity cost at 0.13/kWh and the current BTC value, I'm just breaking even or making a small profit when I factored in the reduced heating cost during the winter. Simply changing the frequency won't make a significant difference. Was hoping to change freq and also undervolt but read mixed results on that also based on firmware and other issues. I had great success using the HB-lead method to keep my S1s profitable for a long time. I haven't been back here for a while and I was hoping someone had an S3 solution.

I shut down my miners and wonder about the future of BTC when more people do the same. I know if enough do, difficulty will decrease, ... Huh
member
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Now that is an super smart idea that I had not thought of for my mining location in the unventilated basement man cave.

I am curious how you decided to vent outside directly? Something like a dryer vent? Any chance you could post some photos of your setup?

Thanks!

- fvineyard
sr. member
Activity: 294
Merit: 250
With cooling season approaching, I need to increase the efficiency of my S3+s or turn them off. I've seen sporadic discussions on best firmware to upgrade to, how to undervoltage, etc., with differing results.

Is there a thread on increasing S3+ efficiency and a "proven best" method out here?

It's not hard to test yourself with a watt meter at the wall. For every frequency wait until the fans are at the normal rate, then record the wattage at the wall and the work utility number on the miner. A simple calculation will show you what frequency provides the best use of watts to hashes. Doing it yourself also will account for the difference your power supply makes.

My best option was to vent things outside directly. Problem solved for me, and still overclocked.

My numbers currently:
OC'd at 250, WU 7,021, 399 watts. So 17.6 WU per watt consumed.
sr. member
Activity: 442
Merit: 250
Found Lost beach - quiet now
With cooling season approaching, I need to increase the efficiency of my S3+s or turn them off. I've seen sporadic discussions on best firmware to upgrade to, how to undervoltage, etc., with differing results.

Is there a thread on increasing S3+ efficiency and a "proven best" method out here?
legendary
Activity: 1456
Merit: 1000
...your pics...

The problem is, you are setting the miner to use a static IP 192.168.1.100, however your wifi is assigning it 192.168.1.5

In order to use a static address, it needs to be set up in the router. Just change the miner to not use a static address and things should be fine.

No, I don't think that's the case.  The static option should be set on the miner.  The DHCP assigned addresses should be cleared from the router and allowed to be reassigned.  Typically 50 or 100 addresses are reserved by the router starting at 192.168.1.100 to be used/assigned to devices using DHCP.  I highly doubt the _router_ is assigning the .5 address.  The user would have had to go into the router and change the block of addresses from which the router assigns addresses.

That said, going DHCP worked.

It depends on the router.  I had one that started at .25 on addresses it did go to .75 in dhcp.  It was a odd router though that came through cable company.

I was able to get the router part turned off of cable modem, and use my own routers.  I have one Linksys and one Asus that are working great.   And static IP on miners are normally set at miner.  Just set it high on dhcp or above dhcp IP's.
soy
legendary
Activity: 1428
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...your pics...

The problem is, you are setting the miner to use a static IP 192.168.1.100, however your wifi is assigning it 192.168.1.5

In order to use a static address, it needs to be set up in the router. Just change the miner to not use a static address and things should be fine.

No, I don't think that's the case.  The static option should be set on the miner.  The DHCP assigned addresses should be cleared from the router and allowed to be reassigned.  Typically 50 or 100 addresses are reserved by the router starting at 192.168.1.100 to be used/assigned to devices using DHCP.  I highly doubt the _router_ is assigning the .5 address.  The user would have had to go into the router and change the block of addresses from which the router assigns addresses.

That said, going DHCP worked.
member
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ToQcHista
i think my s3 ghs because is low that thermo paste isn't have enough and show me one X.


member
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ToQcHista
s3 what place have thermal paste ? get me image
donator
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@no141,

Thanks for helping others!
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