Topic: ANTMINER S4 2TH/s, Batch 1 on Sale this week, shipping before Sept. Ends - page 16. (Read 33454 times)
September 23, 2014, 03:01:07 AM
and now the site is down...
September 23, 2014, 02:51:33 AM
They need btc price above $500 to launch as planned.
Since there is no real miner image is released, there is also a chance that the miners are still under development.
Since there is no real miner image is released, there is also a chance that the miners are still under development.
Yes. Otherwise they will be delaying or setting a high bitcoin price and people later will be upset if they lower it.
September 23, 2014, 02:35:11 AM
I am also thinking to buy a AntMiner S3 , from bitmaintech.
But then i think , may be i will loose my money , if it is not shipped to my address on time.
If this happen , where i will claim ?
Its better to buy something locally , so that u can claim it ASAP.
But then i think , may be i will loose my money , if it is not shipped to my address on time.
If this happen , where i will claim ?
Its better to buy something locally , so that u can claim it ASAP.
September 23, 2014, 02:17:32 AM
Yay. its UP!
I just ordered 10 x S4s. Price is reasonable. I'm sure its sold out soon.
I just ordered 10 x S4s. Price is reasonable. I'm sure its sold out soon.
Wat ?
Where ?
seriouscoin is not being serious
Daaajuum! I want a few
September 23, 2014, 12:22:30 AM
Yay. its UP!
I just ordered 10 x S4s. Price is reasonable. I'm sure its sold out soon.
I just ordered 10 x S4s. Price is reasonable. I'm sure its sold out soon.
Wat ?
Where ?
seriouscoin is not being serious
September 22, 2014, 03:22:10 PM
Friedcat just thru a wrench in the works.. Selling 1.4TH/s rigs for less than 1BTC/TH or 1.064 shipped outside China. That will put a roof on the S4 price, I say 2BTC shipped.
The power consumption on friedcat's rigs is S2 specs. 1w/Gh. I'm pretty sure the S4 will be in the .6W/Gh range. I like friedcat and his products but at this time he's 4 months behind bitmain. There's a reason his rigs are cheap.yeah but do the math an asic tube is .85 at 950 watts so 2 are 1.7th at 1900 watts.
I had two. my cost was 2 btc 800 usd for 1.7th burning 1900 watts I have lots of psu's so not an issue.
my power is 15 cents a kwatt so let us round to 2 kwatts for 1.7th vs 1 kwatt for 2th.
or 1 extra k-watt an hour 24 a day that is 15 cents x 24 = 3.60 usd a day. 108 usd a month. at 10 cents it is 72 usd a month .
So lets take the s-4 1000 watts for 2 th and price of 1200 usd so buying the tube miner I spend 400 less for 1.7th I saved 400 bucks. IF I have psu's.
Even where I live at 108 more a month for at least 2 more like 3 months the tube is better for me.
In my case I ordered the pair and did not like the pool choice of cex.io I used mmpool.org a tiny pool I hit 2 fast blocks and I have roi'd with the pair of tube miners. I am .6 btc ahead . And I sold them for 1.2btc so someone else will most likely do roi with them.
Buying 10x of them is 7.9 btc for 8.5th sell 8 on ebay for 450 usd each you did your roi for all 10. and have 2 for mining.
So I've thought about doing just that, I'm a reseller and do have the BTC to invest in reselling these. But that's not everything. For instance, as I understand it you only get 3 controllers; so either I buy extra controllers (about $30/ea) for the miners I plan on selling individually, or provide Raspberry Pis configured for them, or expect that the buyer (unrealistically) will know how to set the tubes up. Also, the BE200 seems to need a stratum proxy still to work on every pool, which detracts from its utility. And finally, the new Block Erupter Prisma was announced today, but at a MOC of 14.9 BTC it's just too huge an investment.
FYI, as I break down the costs I have:
Block Erupter Prisma: 0.0010642857 BTC/GH
Antminer S3+ 0.0012803532 BTC/GH
Block Erupter Tube 0.0009875 BTC/GH
At the end of the day, the S3+ is only 0.000292 more expensive per GH than the Tube, and only 0.000216 BTC more than the Prisma. And it requires 0 assembly, includes a much nicer OpenWRT-based controller (one per "hashing unit", not 3 for every 10) that works on every single pool, and a decent enclosure with excellent airflow.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems only marginally (razor thin) cheaper to go with the Tube, and you're still paying a higher Watt to GH ratio, and it'll be much harder to sell later.
Nice. That's how I always break down a purchase before buying. Well, actually I break it down to $/GH/s, but you get the idea.
Power is a secondary consideration, though. But, usually, the difference won't make a huge impact financially.
My 2 Satoshi
September 22, 2014, 01:36:14 PM
Link please as I do not see an S4 there... just a rack mountable s2
He's messing with us. September 22, 2014, 01:34:08 PM
Link please as I do not see an S4 there... just a rack mountable s2
September 22, 2014, 01:33:13 PM
Friedcat just thru a wrench in the works.. Selling 1.4TH/s rigs for less than 1BTC/TH or 1.064 shipped outside China. That will put a roof on the S4 price, I say 2BTC shipped.
The power consumption on friedcat's rigs is S2 specs. 1w/Gh. I'm pretty sure the S4 will be in the .6W/Gh range. I like friedcat and his products but at this time he's 4 months behind bitmain. There's a reason his rigs are cheap.yeah but do the math an asic tube is .85 at 950 watts so 2 are 1.7th at 1900 watts.
I had two. my cost was 2 btc 800 usd for 1.7th burning 1900 watts I have lots of psu's so not an issue.
my power is 15 cents a kwatt so let us round to 2 kwatts for 1.7th vs 1 kwatt for 2th.
or 1 extra k-watt an hour 24 a day that is 15 cents x 24 = 3.60 usd a day. 108 usd a month. at 10 cents it is 72 usd a month .
So lets take the s-4 1000 watts for 2 th and price of 1200 usd so buying the tube miner I spend 400 less for 1.7th I saved 400 bucks. IF I have psu's.
Even where I live at 108 more a month for at least 2 more like 3 months the tube is better for me.
In my case I ordered the pair and did not like the pool choice of cex.io I used mmpool.org a tiny pool I hit 2 fast blocks and I have roi'd with the pair of tube miners. I am .6 btc ahead . And I sold them for 1.2btc so someone else will most likely do roi with them.
Buying 10x of them is 7.9 btc for 8.5th sell 8 on ebay for 450 usd each you did your roi for all 10. and have 2 for mining.
So I've thought about doing just that, I'm a reseller and do have the BTC to invest in reselling these. But that's not everything. For instance, as I understand it you only get 3 controllers; so either I buy extra controllers (about $30/ea) for the miners I plan on selling individually, or provide Raspberry Pis configured for them, or expect that the buyer (unrealistically) will know how to set the tubes up. Also, the BE200 seems to need a stratum proxy still to work on every pool, which detracts from its utility. And finally, the new Block Erupter Prisma was announced today, but at a MOC of 14.9 BTC it's just too huge an investment.
FYI, as I break down the costs I have:
Block Erupter Prisma: 0.0010642857 BTC/GH
Antminer S3+ 0.0012803532 BTC/GH
Block Erupter Tube 0.0009875 BTC/GH
At the end of the day, the S3+ is only 0.000292 more expensive per GH than the Tube, and only 0.000216 BTC more than the Prisma. And it requires 0 assembly, includes a much nicer OpenWRT-based controller (one per "hashing unit", not 3 for every 10) that works on every single pool, and a decent enclosure with excellent airflow.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems only marginally (razor thin) cheaper to go with the Tube, and you're still paying a higher Watt to GH ratio, and it'll be much harder to sell later.
September 22, 2014, 01:31:00 PM
I don't see it for sale on http://shop.bitmain.cn/
September 22, 2014, 01:25:21 PM
Yay. its UP!
I just ordered 10 x S4s. Price is reasonable. I'm sure its sold out soon.
I just ordered 10 x S4s. Price is reasonable. I'm sure its sold out soon.
Wat ?
Where ?
From Bitmaintech chinese site. They're selling to Chinese first but they have option to use EMS. So you can order.
Sold out soon.
September 22, 2014, 01:06:02 PM
Yay. its UP!
I just ordered 10 x S4s. Price is reasonable. I'm sure its sold out soon.
I just ordered 10 x S4s. Price is reasonable. I'm sure its sold out soon.
Did you go to bitmaintechS.com lol
September 22, 2014, 12:41:38 PM
Friedcat just thru a wrench in the works.. Selling 1.4TH/s rigs for less than 1BTC/TH or 1.064 shipped outside China. That will put a roof on the S4 price, I say 2BTC shipped.
S4 should ship a good deal sooner, and have lower power costs. So I'd guess about 2.5 BTC would be fair.
I agree, anything over 2.5 BTC I will be hesitant. I am also curious about the power supply? 1500W? 1600W? Come on Bitmain, you said last week!!! At least give us the details on the power supply.
I do not need his psu nor do I want it. I would rather have the discount. Now that depends if it is a standard atx gold psu I have no need for them.. I have a house full of plats.
there is no way the psu will be a 1500 watt psu. it must be 1200 watts or 1300 watts.
this machine needs to do .5 to .6 watts or it is pretty much junk.
Agreed, I also can just buy my own PSU. Perhaps they should offer it with both options?
September 22, 2014, 12:31:20 PM
What make's you think greed is a factor here. They have consistently put out product on time at the best price with great power consumption when compared to the competition they dominate for good reason.
I think the best assumption people have come up with is that no one will buy a $1500 rig when btc is so low. An S4 at 4 BTC would prob not roi at least not in a reasonable time and certainly not what we are used to from bitmain. If bitmain is farming with the equipment more power to them. It's their equipment till it's been paid for.
I would like to see what they have though even if it s priced at $1500. I don't think many people would buy but they can always farm away with the unsold units.
I just don't see greed being a primary factor here.
I think the best assumption people have come up with is that no one will buy a $1500 rig when btc is so low. An S4 at 4 BTC would prob not roi at least not in a reasonable time and certainly not what we are used to from bitmain. If bitmain is farming with the equipment more power to them. It's their equipment till it's been paid for.
I would like to see what they have though even if it s priced at $1500. I don't think many people would buy but they can always farm away with the unsold units.
I just don't see greed being a primary factor here.
It is actually quite simple when you put things into perspective and think about them for a moment.
Obviously a business does not strive off doing favors and taking losses. Majority of them have business plans too.
Bitmain isn't doing anybody a favor bud, there are plenty of companies and plenty of opportunity.
The simple fact of the matter is they are a business with a business plan. They sell you hardware at a price which increases their profit margin by great percentages. You pay a lot to buy a miner and they pay very little to make one. Then add in the amount of time they hash on these units to test them. Don't forget to pay attention to the difficulty jumps and bitmain ship dates.
If actually delivering a product on time, or even delivering it period is what makes them stand out from other companies, then so be it. I'm not a person who will praise a company for completing their obligation because other companies have scummed out the community in the past.
Throughout all this and the last minute pricing and availability of these miners, if you can not understand why greed is a big factor here as well as in mostly any business plan then I am sorry
I'm just selling they sell a quality product at a reasonable price, that's it. I don't consider them to be greedy
September 22, 2014, 12:28:00 PM
They need btc price above $500 to launch as planned.
Since there is no real miner image is released, there is also a chance that the miners are still under development.
Since there is no real miner image is released, there is also a chance that the miners are still under development.
September 22, 2014, 12:10:21 PM
Seriouscoin either got seriously shafted or is seriously winding you all up......
Im guessing, the latter
September 22, 2014, 12:09:12 PM
I laughed so hard. Trolololol
September 22, 2014, 11:32:29 AM
Seriouscoin either got seriously shafted or is seriously winding you all up......
September 22, 2014, 11:25:37 AM
Yay. its UP!
I just ordered 10 x S4s. Price is reasonable. I'm sure its sold out soon.
I just ordered 10 x S4s. Price is reasonable. I'm sure its sold out soon.
expensive mistake?? check your link for bitmain
and then double-check again..
September 22, 2014, 11:24:17 AM
Yay. its UP!
I just ordered 10 x S4s. Price is reasonable. I'm sure its sold out soon.
I just ordered 10 x S4s. Price is reasonable. I'm sure its sold out soon.
expensive mistake?? check your link for bitmain
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