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Topic: ANTMINER S4 Discussion and Support Thread - page 129. (Read 301481 times)

newbie
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October 10, 2014, 04:10:45 PM
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legendary
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dogiecoin.com
October 10, 2014, 04:02:07 PM
Hi everyone, Just wanted to ask for some advice if possible.

From reading through the forums i assume that http://ck.kolivas.org/apps/cgminer/antminer/s3/4.6.1-141009/cgminer has the updated cgminer for the S3 & S4 machines.

I updated one of my troubled S3 Machines last night, and the pool hash rate has gone up slightly, Is it advisable to flash all my machines (24 S3s and 1x S4)

I also have 3 S2 machines that have a really outdated version, Would it also work for these machines too, Any advice is appreciated.

I'm not sure what that string is in relation to Bitmain's string.

It won't work for S2, that firmware isn't ready yet.
legendary
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dogiecoin.com
October 10, 2014, 03:59:57 PM
I want to see the day a manufacturer decides to make miners in EU or US will sell lots more miners as they will be
more atractive to buyers...but guess have to wait until I get used to


There already were/are manufacturers, they ended up being scammers or failing miserably due to poor business practices or just having terrible customer services.

Doesn't help in the EU anyway, you have to pay VAT whether you are importing goods or buying them locally.

Unless you are VAT registered. Then you can reclaim the VAT paid, and there is no VAT due on mining revenue [In the UK at least]. This isn't the reason I'm VAT registered, its just a side effect.

Yes you can reclaim it but you still have to PAY it. And most people aren't VAT registered as a business.

If you want to avoid VAT, you can host your miners with Bitmain on checkout. Also avoids delivery.
legendary
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October 10, 2014, 03:54:42 PM
I want to see the day a manufacturer decides to make miners in EU or US will sell lots more miners as they will be
more atractive to buyers...but guess have to wait until I get used to


There already were/are manufacturers, they ended up being scammers or failing miserably due to poor business practices or just having terrible customer services.

Doesn't help in the EU anyway, you have to pay VAT whether you are importing goods or buying them locally.

Unless you are VAT registered. Then you can reclaim the VAT paid, and there is no VAT due on mining revenue [In the UK at least]. This isn't the reason I'm VAT registered, its just a side effect.

Yes you can reclaim it but you still have to PAY it. And most people aren't VAT registered as a business.
newbie
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October 10, 2014, 03:47:17 PM
Hi everyone, Just wanted to ask for some advice if possible.

From reading through the forums i assume that http://ck.kolivas.org/apps/cgminer/antminer/s3/4.6.1-141009/cgminer has the updated cgminer for the S3 & S4 machines.

I updated one of my troubled S3 Machines last night, and the pool hash rate has gone up slightly, Is it advisable to flash all my machines (24 S3s and 1x S4)

I also have 3 S2 machines that have a really outdated version, Would it also work for these machines too, Any advice is appreciated.
legendary
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dogiecoin.com
October 10, 2014, 02:33:51 PM
I just got my batch 2 S4.  It had no cgminer at all. 

Flashing the firmware was an easy fix.  Still I don't understand why there is a QC passed sticker on the miner.

What do you mean it had no cgminer? I assume you meant it said "cgminer not started", which means your configuration settings were wrong.
legendary
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October 10, 2014, 01:44:59 PM
I just got my batch 2 S4.  It had no cgminer at all. 

Flashing the firmware was an easy fix.  Still I don't understand why there is a QC passed sticker on the miner.
legendary
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dogiecoin.com
October 10, 2014, 12:19:52 PM

They are charging me £214 for my S3 delivery to the UK + the import duty + VAT @ 20%

I know I cant compete in mining BTC which I why I have stuck with the alt coins and trading them like mad to earn BTC.

I can see the end is nigh for me mining, this will be the last batch of miners for me.

With now crazy prices and DOA miners from the last batch of S3's I bought it's time to get out Sad

Are you sure? When I add a pair of S3's to cart for UK it gives me:
0.65 via DHL or ~0.42 via UPS. That should be £144 or £92.

The import duty is usually £7 via UPS or DHL and is paid regardless if you order a box of air or a box of diamonds - its a handling charge.
The VAT @ 20% is charged by the government and is nothing to do with Bitmain.
legendary
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dogiecoin.com
October 10, 2014, 12:11:01 PM
I want to see the day a manufacturer decides to make miners in EU or US will sell lots more miners as they will be
more atractive to buyers...but guess have to wait until I get used to


There already were/are manufacturers, they ended up being scammers or failing miserably due to poor business practices or just having terrible customer services.

Doesn't help in the EU anyway, you have to pay VAT whether you are importing goods or buying them locally.

Unless you are VAT registered. Then you can reclaim the VAT paid, and there is no VAT due on mining revenue [In the UK at least]. This isn't the reason I'm VAT registered, its just a side effect.
legendary
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October 10, 2014, 11:46:38 AM
I want to see the day a manufacturer decides to make miners in EU or US will sell lots more miners as they will be
more atractive to buyers...but guess have to wait until I get used to




There already were/are manufacturers, they ended up being scammers or failing miserably due to poor business practices or just having terrible customer services.

Doesn't help in the EU anyway, you have to pay VAT whether you are importing goods or buying them locally.
legendary
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October 10, 2014, 10:21:33 AM
I want to see the day a manufacturer decides to make miners in EU or US will sell lots more miners as they will be
more atractive to buyers...but guess have to wait until I get used to


legendary
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October 10, 2014, 10:20:43 AM

They are charging me £214 for my S3 delivery to the UK + the import duty + VAT @ 20%

I know I cant compete in mining BTC which I why I have stuck with the alt coins and trading them like mad to earn BTC.

I can see the end is nigh for me mining, this will be the last batch of miners for me.

With now crazy prices and DOA miners from the last batch of S3's I bought it's time to get out Sad

suggestion: buy some used s3 on ebay
member
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October 10, 2014, 09:46:25 AM

They are charging me £214 for my S3 delivery to the UK + the import duty + VAT @ 20%

I know I cant compete in mining BTC which I why I have stuck with the alt coins and trading them like mad to earn BTC.

I can see the end is nigh for me mining, this will be the last batch of miners for me.

With now crazy prices and DOA miners from the last batch of S3's I bought it's time to get out Sad
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October 10, 2014, 09:37:08 AM


I like your style, kid--you made me lol.
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October 10, 2014, 07:15:00 AM
Well, glad it works for starters. At least we know it managed to get up to higher diff which was half the problem to begin with. I doubt that getting it to diff 2k would help any further. So if it hashes lower than that then there's still some remaining issue, and likely it's the choice of a halfway diff.
Halfway Diff?
Checkn2diff is a hack used by the slow bitmain products to round off diff to the nearest power of 2 since they're so slow at confirming hashes. There's a chance it may not be needed with the hack I added to the driver, so try removing that command line option. As for suggest_diff, only ckpools have that implemented at the pool end anyway so I didn't bother adding it to the driver (though it's easy enough for me to do). So try without checkn2diff next.
Ok I removed the chicken diff option, but no change, really.  I couldn't keep staring at half my hashrate being lost in slush's pool anymore so I pointed the S4 at ckpool (user gigawatt) and set the difficulty to 2250 (since its overclocked).  Finally, a pool that recognizes my hashrate!
I wonder how thw payout will compare to Slush's pool... Assuming of course that ckppool ever solves a block lol -- it's like solo mining with a few friends!
{sigh} i'm gonna go nag Slush to re-enable user diff, now.
Halfway diff is what checkn2diff does. Because of lousy hardware support for diff, they just round down the diff to the nearest power of 2 or something like that. It wasn't that anyway.

Well I guess that means there's still something else wrong as well in that case. [..]

EDIT: Further investigation shows a flood of:
Code:
[2014-10-10 07:22:22] BitMain: Nonce not find work(7010)         
type errors, suggesting there are more reasons for the driver falling behind while the diff is low. There's something else broken here, and it's hard to know if the overall design is broken or it's something minor,

Yup yup I see that flood every time it connects to a pool that lets me set my minimum difficulty.  once the work starts they come less often but they dont go away completely i dont think.

I'm out of things to try -- If you think it would help you investigate further though I'm happy to point the S4 back at ckpool, just let me know.

I switched it to GHash.io last night (since I'm making the rounds!) and the poolside hashrate there is good (as reported by them, as with with BTC Guild, once the minimum diff is set), but their payout, like BTC Guild, is only about the same as Slush has paid out over the same hours for the 1TH that my pair of S3's are doing over there there so, about half what I'd expect if I could point the S4 at Slush's pool {double-frownie-face emoji not found}

Thanks for your help Con.

Maybe it's my secret plan to get everyone onto a ckpool pool.

Are you thinking what I'm thinking, Pinkie?




thanks,

-dave
-ck
legendary
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Ruu \o/
October 10, 2014, 12:59:27 AM
Well, glad it works for starters. At least we know it managed to get up to higher diff which was half the problem to begin with. I doubt that getting it to diff 2k would help any further. So if it hashes lower than that then there's still some remaining issue, and likely it's the choice of a halfway diff.

Halfway Diff?

Checkn2diff is a hack used by the slow bitmain products to round off diff to the nearest power of 2 since they're so slow at confirming hashes. There's a chance it may not be needed with the hack I added to the driver, so try removing that command line option. As for suggest_diff, only ckpools have that implemented at the pool end anyway so I didn't bother adding it to the driver (though it's easy enough for me to do). So try without checkn2diff next.

Ok I removed the chicken diff option, but no change, really.  I couldn't keep staring at half my hashrate being lost in slush's pool anymore so I pointed the S4 at ckpool (user gigawatt) and set the difficulty to 2250 (since its overclocked).  Finally, a pool that recognizes my hashrate!

I wonder how thw payout will compare to Slush's pool... Assuming of course that ckppool ever solves a block lol -- it's like solo mining with a few friends!

{sigh} i'm gonna go nag Slush to re-enable user diff, now.

Halfway diff is what checkn2diff does. Because of lousy hardware support for diff, they just round down the diff to the nearest power of 2 or something like that. It wasn't that anyway.

Well I guess that means there's still something else wrong as well in that case. Maybe it's my secret plan to get everyone onto a ckpool pool.

EDIT: Further investigation shows a flood of:
Code:
[2014-10-10 07:22:22] BitMain: Nonce not find work(7010)         
type errors, suggesting there are more reasons for the driver falling behind while the diff is low. There's something else broken here, and it's hard to know if the overall design is broken or it's something minor,
full member
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October 10, 2014, 12:46:45 AM
Any updates on B2 dispatch?
sr. member
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October 09, 2014, 10:35:53 PM
ANTMINER of S1, S2 performance and market reactions are good.
Unfortunately, the price of BTC bad.
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October 09, 2014, 08:00:24 PM
I can report that the binary drops in and replaces the old one, matches the architecture, and runs without exploding in a ball of flames!

So I've pointed my S4, running this new binay, back at Slush's pool to see how it goes. [not well ...] after a few minutes that climbed up to and settled around 1TH and has been sitting there.

The Web UI also reports the Diff column (of the Slush row in the Pools table) as 1.05K, but I'm not sure if that indicates a problem...

Well, glad it works for starters. At least we know it managed to get up to higher diff which was half the problem to begin with. I doubt that getting it to diff 2k would help any further. So if it hashes lower than that then there's still some remaining issue, and likely it's the choice of a halfway diff.

Halfway Diff?

What the heck does the --bitmain-checkn2diff option do (play chicken with the diff? lol) google not so helpful here, not was the cgminer readme.

Checkn2diff is a hack used by the slow bitmain products to round off diff to the nearest power of 2 since they're so slow at confirming hashes. There's a chance it may not be needed with the hack I added to the driver, so try removing that command line option. As for suggest_diff, only ckpools have that implemented at the pool end anyway so I didn't bother adding it to the driver (though it's easy enough for me to do). So try without checkn2diff next.

Ok I removed the chicken diff option, but no change, really.  I couldn't keep staring at half my hashrate being lost in slush's pool anymore so I pointed the S4 at ckpool (user gigawatt) and set the difficulty to 2250 (since its overclocked).  Finally, a pool that recognizes my hashrate!

I wonder how thw payout will compare to Slush's pool... Assuming of course that ckppool ever solves a block lol -- it's like solo mining with a few friends!

{sigh} i'm gonna go nag Slush to re-enable user diff, now.
legendary
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October 09, 2014, 06:59:41 PM
It will go up for more, yes. The domestic market will take more of a share due to shipping when the btc price is low.

LOL in my tiny mind it didn't even occur to me that they sell locally in China too.  Thanks for opening my eyes I feel like such an idiot.
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