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Topic: ANTMINER S5: 1155GH(+OverClock Potential), In Stock $0.319/GH & 0.51W/GH - page 199. (Read 451039 times)

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What frequency are you running that thing at? Also, I cannot see you having more than 2 blades, but I may be wrong, how many blades are those?

2580GH/s .... ? Care to post a screenshot of the webUI?

frequency 400  2630 GH/s  1375W    Silwerstone 1500W PSU with soldered EVGA double cables ( SST-ST1500 )

http://www.perearstike.ee/C1/C1.400.2.jpg

Impressive .... I suppose the real test on that setup would be the longevity of that PSU and whether you'd need a 1700W / 2200W (80% / 60% load respectively). But yeah, that's approx 690W for a "standard" S5.
legendary
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My water-cooled S5 with selected miner blades works.with EVGA G2 1300  
1295W    2580GH/s   0.502W/GHs


I have to try a more powerful power supply unit.


What frequency are you running that thing at? Also, I cannot see you having more than 2 blades, but I may be wrong, how many blades are those?

2580GH/s .... ? Care to post a screenshot of the webUI?

frequency 400  2630 GH/s  1375W    Silwerstone 1500W PSU with soldered EVGA double cables ( SST-ST1500 )





Those are hot temps.
legendary
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My water-cooled S5 with selected miner blades works.with EVGA G2 1300  
1295W    2580GH/s   0.502W/GHs


I have to try a more powerful power supply unit.


What frequency are you running that thing at? Also, I cannot see you having more than 2 blades, but I may be wrong, how many blades are those?

2580GH/s .... ? Care to post a screenshot of the webUI?

frequency 400  2630 GH/s  1375W    Silwerstone 1500W PSU with soldered EVGA double cables ( SST-ST1500 )



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3. Server PSUs are a who other matter. I wouldn't even bother with a 550W server PSU, since you can find 800W server PSUs for that price just as easily. You just need to be willing to do some extra work to get them working.
On the mark there ..... just happen to have a ton of them 550W types in my shed that were powering my S3's that I have now disposed of. (they actually worked well on the S1's as well!)
In that case, if you have a bunch already and they're all wired up, you might as well just use them. I have a bunch of 450W server supplies kicking around that I used for S1s as well, but they just have wire leads and I'm not going to bother putting PCIe plugs on them.
I suppose you are right ... still, I am getting 1350GH/s average (as opposed to the 1312GH/s I got from a single 850W server PSU), so never know, tweeking up the voltage (a simple pot twist on the 550W's!) may yield a bit more yet!
Still think 2 550W's are more efficient than one 750W / 850W even 1100W powering an S5 .... and over 6 months, that may be something. Gotta get that killawat.
legendary
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3. Server PSUs are a who other matter. I wouldn't even bother with a 550W server PSU, since you can find 800W server PSUs for that price just as easily. You just need to be willing to do some extra work to get them working.
On the mark there ..... just happen to have a ton of them 550W types in my shed that were powering my S3's that I have now disposed of. (they actually worked well on the S1's as well!)
In that case, if you have a bunch already and they're all wired up, you might as well just use them. I have a bunch of 450W server supplies kicking around that I used for S1s as well, but they just have wire leads and I'm not going to bother putting PCIe plugs on them.
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The S5 won't get 1.3TH/s at 650W though, unless your unit is significantly better than mine are.


Hmm I get 650W (119V) on my KillAWatt running 1245GH on a 1000W LEPA Bronze supply with 375mhz.  I did briefly run 390/400mhz with a Gold supply and thought I was averaging about 1.3T/650W but maybe I'll go back and double check...

Thats what I don't get all the SP20 love here.  It takes 960W @ the wall for 1.4/1.45TH on my SP20s.  So I feel like 300W to gain 100/150GH is just a bad deal on the SP20.  Heck thats nearly 50% more power required!

I dunno I just haven't touched my S5s in two weeks, and they are solid.  The amount of messing-around I have done on the SP20E and the number of firmware updates/fluctuating GHs numbers, etc -- well lets just say it reminds me of the early Jups and all the tweaking that was required to get those big chips all happy.  
The hashrate numbers sound about right. Mine are getting a 12hr average of 1271GH/s @ 375 and 1311GH/s @ 400, so you'd expect ~1291GH/s at 387.5.
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3. Server PSUs are a who other matter. I wouldn't even bother with a 550W server PSU, since you can find 800W server PSUs for that price just as easily. You just need to be willing to do some extra work to get them working.
On the mark there ..... just happen to have a ton of them 550W types in my shed that were powering my S3's that I have now disposed of. (they actually worked well on the S1's as well!)
legendary
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Just putting this out there, would you not get better efficiency if you run the S5 off 2 PSU's, e.g a 550W for each blade than run the whole rig off a single 750W/850W/1100W PSU?
Depends. Generally within the same product line a 550W running at 50% load will be about as efficient as a 1100W running at the same 50% load. More practically, the 550W units would tend to be easier to find and cheaper, but often the cheap ones you find aren't as efficient or well built as the 1100W units. You then also have another full ATX supply to deal with, and if you have more than a couple of these it gets to be a pain. I actually thing the sweet spot is probably 750-850W. You can get decent well built gold PSUs in that range dirt cheap, running a 750W PSU at 550W (DC) won't really get it into the bad part of it's efficiency curve, and they're still super easy to source.
1. Throw into that mix the 550W PSU being a server one - smaller (yes), less efficient than a 1100W (no)
2. If we get to the sweet spot being between 750W-850W for the S5, then I can not see how either would be more efficient than 2 550W PSU's, assuming same product line.
3. Then there will be price, I know you can pick up a multi rail 750W PSU for around GBP 50.00 (could be cheaper depending), but you can also pick up a single rail 550W server PSU for GBP 10.00
I think it is both cheaper and more efficient to run an S5 that way .... I am just not sure how the draw at the wall would differ (and that's why I put it out here, been tumbling about in my head for a while now!)
1. Not sure, it depends on the server PSU. There's a lot of 550W PSUs on eBay that are pulls from the mid-2000s, and they often aren't necessarily any more efficient than an ATX PSU.
2. They wouldn't be more efficient, but they wouldn't be much less efficient. I saw the sweet spot because you then get away from having to use two PSUs with the corresponding extra volume and cable management, and the price per watt is still good. Once you go up over 1000W, the price per watt goes up dramatically.

For example, you can go get a Rosewill Capstone 750W gold supply at Newegg for $90 shipped in quantity, no rebates or other crap. It'll still do 90% efficiency at 550W (DC) output. You could pick up two 550W supplies and be right in the 50% part of the curve, but any two supplies you get for $90 will probably do worse than the 750W supply anyway since you'd really have to shop around or dick around with buying one at a time and using MIRs to get anything other than a Bronze PSU under $50.

3. Server PSUs are a who other matter. I wouldn't even bother with a 550W server PSU, since you can find 800W server PSUs for that price just as easily. You just need to be willing to do some extra work to get them working.
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My water-cooled S5 with selected miner blades works.with EVGA G2 1300  
1295W    2580GH/s   0.502W/GHs


I have to try a more powerful power supply unit.


What frequency are you running that thing at? Also, I cannot see you having more than 2 blades, but I may be wrong, how many blades are those?

2580GH/s .... ? Care to post a screenshot of the webUI?
hero member
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Between 50-85% there is usually low single digit efficiency differences. Not enough to care about really.
Do not feel obliged to comment. I already got a sensible response.
legendary
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The S5 won't get 1.3TH/s at 650W though, unless your unit is significantly better than mine are.
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My water-cooled S5 with selected miner blades works.with EVGA G2 1300  
1295W    2580GH/s   0.502W/GHs


I have to try a more powerful power supply unit.
legendary
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The S5 won't get 1.3TH/s at 650W though, unless your unit is significantly better than mine are.


Hmm I get 650W (119V) on my KillAWatt running 1245GH on a 1000W LEPA Bronze supply with 375mhz.  I did briefly run 390/400mhz with a Gold supply and thought I was averaging about 1.3T/650W but maybe I'll go back and double check...

Thats what I don't get all the SP20 love here.  It takes 960W @ the wall for 1.4/1.45TH on my SP20s.  So I feel like 300W to gain 100/150GH is just a bad deal on the SP20.  Heck thats nearly 50% more power required!

I dunno I just haven't touched my S5s in two weeks, and they are solid.  The amount of messing-around I have done on the SP20E and the number of firmware updates/fluctuating GHs numbers, etc -- well lets just say it reminds me of the early Jups and all the tweaking that was required to get those big chips all happy.  

Well I prefer to push my SP20 harder now and lower then later (diff jump). It always depends on so much factor ... for me electricity is cheap, so it's a no-brainer (~1100 watt for like 1560GH)
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seems they want to price in BTC but adjust the USD price manually. Not sure why they do tha

You've seen what happens when the price changes once while someone is mentally locked into buying, imagine what would happen if that price kept changing every 2 minutes?

this is economics 101, but seems to go over yours and BMT head: stable(r) price entices MORE buyers, unless buying is completely hopeless.
yes, you could have 10% fatter margins if you jerk up the price, but you would have 30-50% less customers.
Besides, if the price was moved up in response to BTC/$ ratio change, why it did not went down when BTC went from $310 to $250 this am?
Answer this, please.

That's not what I was talking about.
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Just putting this out there, would you not get better efficiency if you run the S5 off 2 PSU's, e.g a 550W for each blade than run the whole rig off a single 750W/850W/1100W PSU?
Depends. Generally within the same product line a 550W running at 50% load will be about as efficient as a 1100W running at the same 50% load. More practically, the 550W units would tend to be easier to find and cheaper, but often the cheap ones you find aren't as efficient or well built as the 1100W units. You then also have another full ATX supply to deal with, and if you have more than a couple of these it gets to be a pain. I actually thing the sweet spot is probably 750-850W. You can get decent well built gold PSUs in that range dirt cheap, running a 750W PSU at 550W (DC) won't really get it into the bad part of it's efficiency curve, and they're still super easy to source.

Between 50-85% there is usually low single digit efficiency differences. Not enough to care about really.
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The S5 won't get 1.3TH/s at 650W though, unless your unit is significantly better than mine are.


Hmm I get 650W (119V) on my KillAWatt running 1245GH on a 1000W LEPA Bronze supply with 375mhz.  I did briefly run 390/400mhz with a Gold supply and thought I was averaging about 1.3T/650W but maybe I'll go back and double check...

Thats what I don't get all the SP20 love here.  It takes 960W @ the wall for 1.4/1.45TH on my SP20s.  So I feel like 300W to gain 100/150GH is just a bad deal on the SP20.  Heck thats nearly 50% more power required!

I dunno I just haven't touched my S5s in two weeks, and they are solid.  The amount of messing-around I have done on the SP20E and the number of firmware updates/fluctuating GHs numbers, etc -- well lets just say it reminds me of the early Jups and all the tweaking that was required to get those big chips all happy.  
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Just putting this out there, would you not get better efficiency if you run the S5 off 2 PSU's, e.g a 550W for each blade than run the whole rig off a single 750W/850W/1100W PSU?
Depends. Generally within the same product line a 550W running at 50% load will be about as efficient as a 1100W running at the same 50% load. More practically, the 550W units would tend to be easier to find and cheaper, but often the cheap ones you find aren't as efficient or well built as the 1100W units. You then also have another full ATX supply to deal with, and if you have more than a couple of these it gets to be a pain. I actually thing the sweet spot is probably 750-850W. You can get decent well built gold PSUs in that range dirt cheap, running a 750W PSU at 550W (DC) won't really get it into the bad part of it's efficiency curve, and they're still super easy to source.
1. Throw into that mix the 550W PSU being a server one - smaller (yes), less efficient than a 1100W (no)
2. If we get to the sweet spot being between 750W-850W for the S5, then I can not see how either would be more efficient than 2 550W PSU's, assuming same product line.
3. Then there will be price, I know you can pick up a multi rail 750W PSU for around GBP 50.00 (could be cheaper depending), but you can also pick up a single rail 550W server PSU for GBP 10.00
I think it is both cheaper and more efficient to run an S5 that way .... I am just not sure how the draw at the wall would differ (and that's why I put it out here, been tumbling about in my head for a while now!)
legendary
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Just putting this out there, would you not get better efficiency if you run the S5 off 2 PSU's, e.g a 550W for each blade than run the whole rig off a single 750W/850W/1100W PSU?
Depends. Generally within the same product line a 550W running at 50% load will be about as efficient as a 1100W running at the same 50% load. More practically, the 550W units would tend to be easier to find and cheaper, but often the cheap ones you find aren't as efficient or well built as the 1100W units. You then also have another full ATX supply to deal with, and if you have more than a couple of these it gets to be a pain. I actually thing the sweet spot is probably 750-850W. You can get decent well built gold PSUs in that range dirt cheap, running a 750W PSU at 550W (DC) won't really get it into the bad part of it's efficiency curve, and they're still super easy to source.
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Just putting this out there, would you not get better efficiency if you run the S5 off 2 PSU's, e.g a 550W PSU for each blade, than run the whole rig off a single 750W/850W/1100W PSU?
legendary
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This is not true. If  power is limited, buy more SP20

1x SP20  1000GH/s   0.45W/GHs  Can the S5  do this? No.


What you never want to ROI?  Seems to me unless you have expensive power SP20 should be ran hard (1.4-1.6TH) to make up for the initial investment.

I think the beauty of the S5 is its pretty much the SAME efficiency @ 1.1 or 1.3TH.  So run a S5 @ 1.3TH with 650W then compare that to 950W required to get an SP20 to say 1.4TH give or take.

The SP20 can be downclocked to be more efficient sure but I have both the S5 and SP20 and at this point I'm more impressed with the S5.  Simply because I see that roughly 0.5GH/W efficiency @ 1.3TH, which maximizes my return without losing 25-30% of the hashrate just to meet some arbitrary W/GH goal (which varies greatly depending on location overhead and power costs).
That's an interesting argument. I would say that's actually a point in favor of the SP20 actually. If you can get the same (or essentially the same) hashrate and efficiency around the 0.5-0.55 point, but the SP20 allows you to run faster if your hosting and power costs dictate that doing so would be more profitable, that's a plus in my books. If both units are the same cost I'd say the SP20 is the better choice at this juncture*.
The S5 won't get 1.3TH/s at 650W though, unless your unit is significantly better than mine are.

*In min qty 3. The SP20 is harder to justify at the single unit price + shipping.
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This is not true. If  power is limited, buy more SP20

1x SP20  1000GH/s   0.45W/GHs  Can the S5  do this? No.


What you never want to ROI?  Seems to me unless you have expensive power SP20 should be ran hard (1.4-1.6TH) to make up for the initial investment.

I think the beauty of the S5 is its pretty much the SAME efficiency @ 1.1 or 1.3TH.  So run a S5 @ 1.3TH with 650W then compare that to 950W required to get an SP20 to say 1.4TH give or take.

The SP20 can be downclocked to be more efficient sure but I have both the S5 and SP20 and at this point I'm more impressed with the S5.  Simply because I see that roughly 0.5GH/W efficiency @ 1.3TH, which maximizes my return without losing 25-30% of the hashrate just to meet some arbitrary W/GH goal (which varies greatly depending on location overhead and power costs so YMMV of course, to each their own).

I won this  SP20 miner. https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/kanopool-kanois-lowest-09-fee-since-2014-worldwide-2432-blocks-789369
cost me only 40USD VAT,  so I can use him to efficacy tests
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