Topic: Anyone following the ebola outbreak? - page 17. (Read 39836 times)
I presume we all react the same, but imagine if it turns out to be true.
As bad as it is, a little part of me hopes this is true.
With an already severely compromised immune system, and the huge variation of blood borne diseases, there is nothing much helpful from doing this in this way.
The existence of any antibodies in the bought blood are not going to be helpful in the creation of the infected person's own antibodies.
It is more sympathetic magic than anything curative.
As a vaccine, that is a different matter, but you are giving yourself a disease (or several) that is likely just much better avoided.
There is one paper which shows that in some cases the blood transfusions may actually help to survive:
http://jid.oxfordjournals.org/content/179/Supplement_1/S18.long
However, the method was tested only with 8 patients: "because of the small number of patients studied and the lack of control subjects, we cannot conclude that the neutralizing antibodies in transfused convalescent blood improves the outcome for EHF patients."
I'm guessing that this study was not done with blood bought off the street.
Buying and transfusing blood from the "black market" (without even a SR-like rating system)?
That is desperation.
holyshit ! It's like the number of users of bitcoins in the early days.
Yeah! I'm not following it. It is chasing me.
holyshit ! It's like the number of users of bitcoins in the early days.
The total number of deaths is fast approaching 3,000 mark.
http://apps.who.int/iris/bitstream/10665/134449/1/roadmapupdate22sept14_eng.pdf?ua=1
Total number of infections / deaths:
Liberia - 3,022 / 1,578
Sierra Leone - 1,813 / 593
Guinea - 1,008 / 632
http://apps.who.int/iris/bitstream/10665/134449/1/roadmapupdate22sept14_eng.pdf?ua=1
Total number of infections / deaths:
Liberia - 3,022 / 1,578
Sierra Leone - 1,813 / 593
Guinea - 1,008 / 632
With an already severely compromised immune system, and the huge variation of blood borne diseases, there is nothing much helpful from doing this in this way.
The existence of any antibodies in the bought blood are not going to be helpful in the creation of the infected person's own antibodies.
It is more sympathetic magic than anything curative.
As a vaccine, that is a different matter, but you are giving yourself a disease (or several) that is likely just much better avoided.
There is one paper which shows that in some cases the blood transfusions may actually help to survive:
http://jid.oxfordjournals.org/content/179/Supplement_1/S18.long
However, the method was tested only with 8 patients: "because of the small number of patients studied and the lack of control subjects, we cannot conclude that the neutralizing antibodies in transfused convalescent blood improves the outcome for EHF patients."
I'm guessing that this study was not done with blood bought off the street.
Buying and transfusing blood from the "black market" (without even a SR-like rating system)?
That is desperation.
well, it reached Puerto Rico, 1 guy was infected and was taken to quarantine but he was in contact with many people before getting into quarantine..
Ebola has broken all quarantines, it's going to go around the world.
CDC warns 500,000 will be infected with Ebola by January as effort to contain the virus fail
With an already severely compromised immune system, and the huge variation of blood borne diseases, there is nothing much helpful from doing this in this way.
The existence of any antibodies in the bought blood are not going to be helpful in the creation of the infected person's own antibodies.
It is more sympathetic magic than anything curative.
As a vaccine, that is a different matter, but you are giving yourself a disease (or several) that is likely just much better avoided.
There is one paper which shows that in some cases the blood transfusions may actually help to survive:
http://jid.oxfordjournals.org/content/179/Supplement_1/S18.long
However, the method was tested only with 8 patients: "because of the small number of patients studied and the lack of control subjects, we cannot conclude that the neutralizing antibodies in transfused convalescent blood improves the outcome for EHF patients."
I'm guessing that this study was not done with blood bought off the street.
Buying and transfusing blood from the "black market" (without even a SR-like rating system)?
That is desperation.
With an already severely compromised immune system, and the huge variation of blood borne diseases, there is nothing much helpful from doing this in this way.
The existence of any antibodies in the bought blood are not going to be helpful in the creation of the infected person's own antibodies.
It is more sympathetic magic than anything curative.
As a vaccine, that is a different matter, but you are giving yourself a disease (or several) that is likely just much better avoided.
There is one paper which shows that in some cases the blood transfusions may actually help to survive:
http://jid.oxfordjournals.org/content/179/Supplement_1/S18.long
However, the method was tested only with 8 patients: "because of the small number of patients studied and the lack of control subjects, we cannot conclude that the neutralizing antibodies in transfused convalescent blood improves the outcome for EHF patients."
With an already severely compromised immune system, and the huge variation of blood borne diseases, there is nothing much helpful from doing this in this way.
The existence of any antibodies in the bought blood are not going to be helpful in the creation of the infected person's own antibodies.
It is more sympathetic magic than anything curative.
As a vaccine, that is a different matter, but you are giving yourself a disease (or several) that is likely just much better avoided.
There is one paper which shows that in some cases the blood transfusions may actually help to survive:
http://jid.oxfordjournals.org/content/179/Supplement_1/S18.long
However, the method was tested only with 8 patients: "because of the small number of patients studied and the lack of control subjects, we cannot conclude that the neutralizing antibodies in transfused convalescent blood improves the outcome for EHF patients."
The virus is mutating I read. What if the virus is going asymptomatic in some people due to a quirk in their genetics. They could be ill and show no symptoms but sicken others around them
"The World Health Organization says some Ebola patients are buying blood of survivors from the black market.
Blood from survivors is referred to as convalescent serum, and said to have antibodies that can fight the deadly virus.
Though unproven, it has provided some promise in fighting a disease with no approved drug to treat it."
http://www.myhighplains.com/story/d/story/ebola-patients-buying-survivors-blood/18260/j5SHCJz690miFvLwrcloVQ
I guess the phrase "desperate times call for desperate measures" could not apply more here in this situation. I do think that these people are likely taking bigger risks in trying to rid themselves of the virus then they should be taking. I am not a doctor but I would think that if the person whose blood they purchased had a different strand of eboli then the person who receives the blood could potentially have either two strands of the virus in their blood stream or potentially have one, even stronger strand of the virusBlood from survivors is referred to as convalescent serum, and said to have antibodies that can fight the deadly virus.
Though unproven, it has provided some promise in fighting a disease with no approved drug to treat it."
http://www.myhighplains.com/story/d/story/ebola-patients-buying-survivors-blood/18260/j5SHCJz690miFvLwrcloVQ
With an already severely compromised immune system, and the huge variation of blood borne diseases, there is nothing much helpful from doing this in this way.
The existence of any antibodies in the bought blood are not going to be helpful in the creation of the infected person's own antibodies.
It is more sympathetic magic than anything curative.
As a vaccine, that is a different matter, but you are giving yourself a disease (or several) that is likely just much better avoided.
"The World Health Organization says some Ebola patients are buying blood of survivors from the black market.
Blood from survivors is referred to as convalescent serum, and said to have antibodies that can fight the deadly virus.
Though unproven, it has provided some promise in fighting a disease with no approved drug to treat it."
http://www.myhighplains.com/story/d/story/ebola-patients-buying-survivors-blood/18260/j5SHCJz690miFvLwrcloVQ
I guess the phrase "desperate times call for desperate measures" could not apply more here in this situation. I do think that these people are likely taking bigger risks in trying to rid themselves of the virus then they should be taking. I am not a doctor but I would think that if the person whose blood they purchased had a different strand of eboli then the person who receives the blood could potentially have either two strands of the virus in their blood stream or potentially have one, even stronger strand of the virus Blood from survivors is referred to as convalescent serum, and said to have antibodies that can fight the deadly virus.
Though unproven, it has provided some promise in fighting a disease with no approved drug to treat it."
http://www.myhighplains.com/story/d/story/ebola-patients-buying-survivors-blood/18260/j5SHCJz690miFvLwrcloVQ
well, it reached Puerto Rico, 1 guy was infected and was taken to quarantine but he was in contact with many people before getting into quarantine..
"The World Health Organization says some Ebola patients are buying blood of survivors from the black market.
Blood from survivors is referred to as convalescent serum, and said to have antibodies that can fight the deadly virus.
Though unproven, it has provided some promise in fighting a disease with no approved drug to treat it."
http://www.myhighplains.com/story/d/story/ebola-patients-buying-survivors-blood/18260/j5SHCJz690miFvLwrcloVQ
Blood from survivors is referred to as convalescent serum, and said to have antibodies that can fight the deadly virus.
Though unproven, it has provided some promise in fighting a disease with no approved drug to treat it."
http://www.myhighplains.com/story/d/story/ebola-patients-buying-survivors-blood/18260/j5SHCJz690miFvLwrcloVQ
Human blood is one of the most toxic things there is to humans.
Ebola is more toxic.
This is sheer desperation, and deeply tragic.
Actually this method has been used throughout the ages with some success on diseases like smallpox. People would take blood or scabs (Cowpox also widely used) from an infected person and rub it into a scratch on the arm of a healthy person in hopes for a milder version of the disease. India was know for doing this ages ago. The word Variolation is the term used to describe the method I believe.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Variolation
Quote
Variolation or Inoculation was the method first used to immunize an individual against smallpox (Variola) with material taken from a patient or a recently variolated individual in the hope that a mild but protective infection would result. The procedure was most commonly carried out by inserting/rubbing powdered smallpox scabs or fluid from pustules into superficial scratches made in the skin. The patient would develop pustules identical to those caused by naturally occurring smallpox, usually producing a less severe disease than naturally-acquired smallpox. Eventually, after about two to four weeks, these symptoms would subside, indicating successful recovery and immunity. The method was first used in China and the Middle East before it was introduced into England and North America in the 1720s in the face of some opposition. The method is no longer used today. It was replaced by smallpox vaccine, a safer alternative. This in turn paved the way for the development of the many vaccines now available.
It is sheer desperation.
Or were you thinking that they are not desperate?
Do you intend to rub ebola blood on a scratch?
Would you advise that others do so?
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-29256443
Guinea health team killed
Not just desperate, also some are violently angry.
Imagine people come from far away to tell you what to do, and presumably have some authority over whether you live or die and how you spend your remaining days, some attention to how this is received is sensible.
"The World Health Organization says some Ebola patients are buying blood of survivors from the black market.
Blood from survivors is referred to as convalescent serum, and said to have antibodies that can fight the deadly virus.
Though unproven, it has provided some promise in fighting a disease with no approved drug to treat it."
http://www.myhighplains.com/story/d/story/ebola-patients-buying-survivors-blood/18260/j5SHCJz690miFvLwrcloVQ
Blood from survivors is referred to as convalescent serum, and said to have antibodies that can fight the deadly virus.
Though unproven, it has provided some promise in fighting a disease with no approved drug to treat it."
http://www.myhighplains.com/story/d/story/ebola-patients-buying-survivors-blood/18260/j5SHCJz690miFvLwrcloVQ
Human blood is one of the most toxic things there is to humans.
Ebola is more toxic.
This is sheer desperation, and deeply tragic.
Actually this method has been used throughout the ages with some success on diseases like smallpox. People would take blood or scabs (Cowpox also widely used) from an infected person and rub it into a scratch on the arm of a healthy person in hopes for a milder version of the disease. India was know for doing this ages ago. The word Variolation is the term used to describe the method I believe.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Variolation
Quote
Variolation or Inoculation was the method first used to immunize an individual against smallpox (Variola) with material taken from a patient or a recently variolated individual in the hope that a mild but protective infection would result. The procedure was most commonly carried out by inserting/rubbing powdered smallpox scabs or fluid from pustules into superficial scratches made in the skin. The patient would develop pustules identical to those caused by naturally occurring smallpox, usually producing a less severe disease than naturally-acquired smallpox. Eventually, after about two to four weeks, these symptoms would subside, indicating successful recovery and immunity. The method was first used in China and the Middle East before it was introduced into England and North America in the 1720s in the face of some opposition. The method is no longer used today. It was replaced by smallpox vaccine, a safer alternative. This in turn paved the way for the development of the many vaccines now available.
"The World Health Organization says some Ebola patients are buying blood of survivors from the black market.
Blood from survivors is referred to as convalescent serum, and said to have antibodies that can fight the deadly virus.
Though unproven, it has provided some promise in fighting a disease with no approved drug to treat it."
http://www.myhighplains.com/story/d/story/ebola-patients-buying-survivors-blood/18260/j5SHCJz690miFvLwrcloVQ
Blood from survivors is referred to as convalescent serum, and said to have antibodies that can fight the deadly virus.
Though unproven, it has provided some promise in fighting a disease with no approved drug to treat it."
http://www.myhighplains.com/story/d/story/ebola-patients-buying-survivors-blood/18260/j5SHCJz690miFvLwrcloVQ
Human blood is one of the most toxic things there is to humans.
Ebola is more toxic.
This is sheer desperation, and deeply tragic.
"The World Health Organization says some Ebola patients are buying blood of survivors from the black market.
Blood from survivors is referred to as convalescent serum, and said to have antibodies that can fight the deadly virus.
Though unproven, it has provided some promise in fighting a disease with no approved drug to treat it."
http://www.myhighplains.com/story/d/story/ebola-patients-buying-survivors-blood/18260/j5SHCJz690miFvLwrcloVQ
Blood from survivors is referred to as convalescent serum, and said to have antibodies that can fight the deadly virus.
Though unproven, it has provided some promise in fighting a disease with no approved drug to treat it."
http://www.myhighplains.com/story/d/story/ebola-patients-buying-survivors-blood/18260/j5SHCJz690miFvLwrcloVQ
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