[Archive] BFL trolling museum - page 107.

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Quote from: BFL on June 27, 2012, 08:22:46 AM

Quote from: Grouver (BtcBalance) on June 27, 2012, 08:02:49 AM

Thank you for answering.
I am sure the community also would like to know the following:

1) What temprature can the ASICs handle?
2) When can we expect any graphical details?

I hope BFL can answer these questions.

The range of temperature tolerance of the SC chip is extremely wide which is the nature of a dedicated ASIC as compared to a design sensitive FPGA implementation. The final temperature depends on the thermal handling characteristics of a heatsink/fan implementation. Overclocking (which is viable with the SC) will change these dynamics considerably. I think the most useful answer to your question is that the end temperature in our application as designed is around 37C, but the chips support performance stability well beyond 80C.

We will release development photos as we closer approach release.

OVERCLOCKING !?!?! So the Jalapeno could become a SC-Rig when overclocked ! Grin

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Quote from: sadpandatech on June 27, 2012, 08:33:54 AM

Quote from: BFL on June 27, 2012, 07:49:33 AM

Refunds and charge backs: All sales are final unless we fail to perform. That includes both performance and shipping targets. 60 days past target and we'll happily refund your purchase. If you would really like a refund anyway, just ask and we'll probably be able to take care of you. Nonetheless, we reserve the right to handle it on a case by case basis.

Does your company even posses a MO UCC registration under which to uphold any such statments of policy?

This is also what I miss and emailed BFL about.
We all would like to know where we can find an official Terms and Conditions & disclaimer on the website of BFL wich confirms all the official statements BFL makes on the Bitcointalk.org forums.

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Quote from: BFL on June 27, 2012, 07:49:33 AM

Refunds and charge backs: All sales are final unless we fail to perform. That includes both performance and shipping targets. 60 days past target and we'll happily refund your purchase. If you would really like a refund anyway, just ask and we'll probably be able to take care of you. Nonetheless, we reserve the right to handle it on a case by case basis.

Does your company even posses a MO UCC registration under which to uphold any such statments of policy?

Not wasting any more time on this but 2 things;
1. "That includes both performance and shipping targets" So you now wish to add in an "as-is" clause after the bulk of your sales? sadly it does nto work that way.

2. Any individual sales over $5,000 will require a writtin contract to enforce any of your policies.

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Quote from: Grouver (BtcBalance) on June 27, 2012, 08:02:49 AM

Thank you for answering.
I am sure the community also would like to know the following:

1) What temprature can the ASICs handle?
2) When can we expect any graphical details?

I hope BFL can answer these questions.

The range of temperature tolerance of the SC chip is extremely wide which is the nature of a dedicated ASIC as compared to a design sensitive FPGA implementation. The final temperature depends on the thermal handling characteristics of a heatsink/fan implementation. Overclocking (which is viable with the SC) will change these dynamics considerably. I think the most useful answer to your question is that the end temperature in our application as designed is around 37C, but the chips support performance stability well beyond 80C.

We will release development photos as we closer approach release.

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Thank you for answering.
I am sure the community also would like to know the following:

1) What temprature can the ASICs handle?
2) When can we expect any graphical details?

I hope BFL can answer these questions.

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Quote from: squall1066 on June 27, 2012, 07:38:09 AM

hiya, it says in the pre-order page "US department of commerce export control restrictions prohibit the sale of these devices to AT designated countries"

May i ask what an AT country is?? is united kingdom one? is this included in international express delivery?

regards

AT designated nations are N. Korea, Cuba etc. You can find the latest list as updated by the US commerce department on their website.

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Would you like to go on record for the target date? Delivery in October leaves you much wiggle room and we do not know when to start counting in case of failure to comply. Thanks.

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Quote from: kano on June 27, 2012, 04:59:49 AM

Quote from: Grouver (BtcBalance) on June 27, 2012, 03:09:51 AM

BFL claims they start shipping in October.
Like this page says they really promise.

Though my question is, wich items you are gonna ship first?
Are you guys first gonna ship the Jalapenos and maybe a couple of SC Mini rigs?
For example: as far we can guess it's maybe gonna takes another 4 months after October before you ship the Single SC units, though the shipping started in October alright like promised.
Can BFL give us maybe a little bit clarification on that area?

Thanks.

They said somewhere (no idea where, search the forum?) that they'll ship them all at the same time.

Here's the policy clarification again:

http://www.butterflylabs.com/products/

The initial orders will be grouped into a batch prior to shipment. This will ensure no one is an unfair beneficiary of disproportionate hashing power. Having said this, we only have so much production capacity and the initial order group will still do very very well. That being the case, here are the rules we will stick to in releasing these units.

1/3rd of the units will go in order priority of purchase date.
1/3rd of the units will go to trade in customers.
1/3rd of the units will go to random orders placed in the first month (6/23 - 7/23).

Both priority customers and trade in customers may benefit from random selection prior to their natural shipping order.

Refunds and charge backs: All sales are final unless we fail to perform. That includes both performance and shipping targets. 60 days past target and we'll happily refund your purchase. If you would really like a refund anyway, just ask and we'll probably be able to take care of you. Nonetheless, we reserve the right to handle it on a case by case basis.

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hiya, it says in the pre-order page "US department of commerce export control restrictions prohibit the sale of these devices to AT designated countries"

May i ask what an AT country is?? is united kingdom one? is this included in international express delivery?

regards

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Quote from: Grouver (BtcBalance) on June 27, 2012, 03:09:51 AM

BFL claims they start shipping in October.
Like this page says they really promise.

Though my question is, wich items you are gonna ship first?
Are you guys first gonna ship the Jalapenos and maybe a couple of SC Mini rigs?
For example: as far we can guess it's maybe gonna takes another 4 months after October before you ship the Single SC units, though the shipping started in October alright like promised.
Can BFL give us maybe a little bit clarification on that area?

Thanks.

They said somewhere (no idea where, search the forum?) that they'll ship them all at the same time.

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BFL claims they start shipping in October.
Like this page says they really promise.

Though my question is, wich items you are gonna ship first?
Are you guys first gonna ship the Jalapenos and maybe a couple of SC Mini rigs?
For example: as far we can guess it's maybe gonna takes another 4 months after October before you ship the Single SC units, though the shipping started in October alright like promised.
Can BFL give us maybe a little bit clarification on that area?

Thanks.

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Quote from: SgtSpike on June 26, 2012, 11:18:53 PM

Quote from: kano on June 26, 2012, 07:51:15 PM

Secondly, if you mine N% of the network normally, you aren't stopping anyone's transactions getting in, you are simply slowing down the transactions you are ignoring by leaving it to the other (100-N)% of the network to deal with those transaction you are ignoring.

Not necessarily true. If you have > 50%, you have the option of forking the chain and ignoring blocks from other miners. The clients will automatically accept your new fork, because it is longest. In that way, you could prevent anyone from making any transactions, unless they figured out an easy way around this.

As I said "if you mine N% of the network normally" that's all that will happen.

But yes things change when someone is trying to do damage to the network with modified code.
But even doing that there is certainly a risk of losing BTC rather than gaining more.

From the point of view of statistics, it doesn't matter if you switch blocks to the next available block or keep mining an old block - you wont find a block any faster either way.
However, if you continue to mine an old block you have the risk that the rest of network will get too far ahead of you and thus never accept your blocks.

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Quote from: Fjordbit on June 27, 2012, 02:21:15 AM

Quote from: Fiyasko on June 26, 2012, 09:41:37 PM

I cant even sell my GPUs now!

Put an ad on craigslist for the current full price on newegg. Include a link to Amazon because that will cost more and they'll think it's a deal. Then, say that it includes installation. It takes no time at all to sell GPUs.

was offered $350, refused. okay so yeah it's not a cant, But a "i dont want a shit resale value"
Uggh, I was just hoping that there would be somone who would want a 6990 that would trade me a jalpeno(s) for it.

Rather than, Ad->barter->cash->middleman->bitcoins->order sheet

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Quote from: Fiyasko on June 26, 2012, 09:41:37 PM

I cant even sell my GPUs now!

Put an ad on craigslist for the current full price on newegg. Include a link to Amazon because that will cost more and they'll think it's a deal. Then, say that it includes installation. It takes no time at all to sell GPUs.

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Quote from: kano on June 27, 2012, 01:14:09 AM

Quote from: flower1024 on June 27, 2012, 01:09:32 AM

one question: bfl states jalapeno runs on usb power.
did they say usb2 or usb3?

I pretty sure it will need USB5 ...

does not compute Wink

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Quote from: flower1024 on June 27, 2012, 01:09:32 AM

one question: bfl states jalapeno runs on usb power.
did they say usb2 or usb3?

I pretty sure it will need USB5 ...

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one question: bfl states jalapeno runs on usb power.
did they say usb2 or usb3?

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Quote from: Luceo on June 26, 2012, 10:59:02 PM

Quote from: boonies4u on June 26, 2012, 10:50:19 PM

Quote from: Fiyasko on June 26, 2012, 09:41:37 PM

Could we please see a working one of these so i know weather or not to skimp on my food budget to save for one of these? (yes i am serious)
If these are serious then these are Seriously going to become the new standard, And GPU mining will be as laughable as CPU mining became...

Maybe they will have a prototype to show us sometime between now and October.

With their first Singles, and again with their Minirigs, they had pictures during the development process plastered all over the website and the forum. I'm pretty sure they'll do the same again.

And thats the freaky part!, It could be Compleatley on track, I would be surprised if it was not, And on the other hand, It could be a massive scam, But its unlikely, Then again, Whats to stop them from making another F**king unbelievable product and THENN doing the bait and switch? Profit? Rep? blah blah. We all thought that the BFL singles were total bullcrap untill hundreds came out.

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Quote from: kano on June 26, 2012, 07:51:15 PM

Secondly, if you mine N% of the network normally, you aren't stopping anyone's transactions getting in, you are simply slowing down the transactions you are ignoring by leaving it to the other (100-N)% of the network to deal with those transaction you are ignoring.

Not necessarily true. If you have > 50%, you have the option of forking the chain and ignoring blocks from other miners. The clients will automatically accept your new fork, because it is longest. In that way, you could prevent anyone from making any transactions, unless they figured out an easy way around this.

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Quote from: boonies4u on June 26, 2012, 10:50:19 PM

Quote from: Fiyasko on June 26, 2012, 09:41:37 PM

Could we please see a working one of these so i know weather or not to skimp on my food budget to save for one of these? (yes i am serious)
If these are serious then these are Seriously going to become the new standard, And GPU mining will be as laughable as CPU mining became...

Maybe they will have a prototype to show us sometime between now and October.

With their first Singles, and again with their Minirigs, they had pictures during the development process plastered all over the website and the forum. I'm pretty sure they'll do the same again.

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