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We're currently on schedule for having production chips in hand come October.  This may change, but so far we're looking good.

We've only just now caught up with the back log of email inquiry that followed our ASIC announcements.  I think you'll find response time to be excellent from here on out unless there's a singular event that causes everyone to write in simultaneously all over again.  Even in that event, our capacity to respond in good time has been significantly upgraded.

Everything on track for October?

Thanks for the insight on that.  I can understand not wanting to give false estimates until you can thoroughly test your products. 

Sorry for any confusion I had added to my posts.  I had just wanted to communicate the information along since people are curious about these devices and it would seem that (perhaps in the past) that BFL was hard to get ahold of.

I know the CSRs I've been emailing have been incredibly helpful and relatively prompt (one day or less) on their response time.  Thank you for that!

The question you're really asking is exactly what is the power draw of the Jalapeno.  This is something we've decided to refrain from publishing until we've comfortably completed our live tests.  Til then, you can expect that it's USB powered for the purposes of hashing and may or may not also include a wall plug for extra hot plate performance.

Just to be clear. If we want the plate hot, that's the only reason to use the external power source? If we just want it to hash really fast we can just plug it in with ONE USB2 cord?

The Jalapeno is indeed USB powered.  The alternate plug-in refered to by the CSR is the option of an alternate source of power for the heat plate.

Alrighty! So the myth of the USB Powered 1gh/s rig is busted.
THANKCRAP! Now i dont need to worry So Hard about GPU mining becoming unprofitable

Ah, fair enough.  So aside from the challenge of providing one big rig with 3KW of power on it's own line that anyone outside of a business wouldn't have (and probably rightfully so given the cost), do you think that the Jalapeno would be using far less than even 10W?  

If it was 5 watts, that's put a big rig at roughly 1,500 watts which would sound perfect for the traditional 15A breaker here in the US, let alone elsewhere, if you leave a safety factor in place.  

The Pi makes a great miner with some BFL's. I've had mine up and running (cgminer 2.5.0) for over a week with zero issues. Looking forward to seeing if it can handle all my SC's when they ship. 

Had thought of that and granted for that (comparatively) expensive Tripplite long strip, you could buy 3 6-port adapters for about the same price overall.  Just preference I suppose but was just putting ideas out there either way.

Remember single point of failure as a possibility

Yeah I had asked them about needing a host PC as well and the answer is indeed, yes.  My worry was that  aside from the wall wart / power adapter and hub clutter, was that if it'd be easier or safer to just run like a dozen Jalepenos off of a PC, to which they suggested use a hub.  But then again if you're buying that amount of little guys, might as well just go with an SC Single (single rig, not mini computer rig aka the big guy).  

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Thanks - glad to help.  Any more info I get from them I'll share here as I'm sure there are plenty of people who are curious before they buy anything as to what's up.

At least the good news (I hope) is so that even if we're talking 30 watts or something for a Jalapeno, it's still a FRACTION of what we need to disperse heat-wise compared to GPUs!  

I believe I caught somewhere that the original BFL single units were 80 watts?  Still darned good I'd think!  Unless you're maxed on plugs near your PC, it sounds like power may not really be an issue.

I asked them about the following hubs just in case if someone did want to run an unhealthy amount of little Jalapenos though...

Here's a 7 port hub (keep in mind with it's own brick as well):
http://www.amazon.com/Uspeed-Cable-Adapter-Backward-Compatible/dp/B006TT91TW/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1343867790&sr=8-1&keywords=usb+3+hub+7+port

Plug liberators (not the false stuff on Amazon apparently):
http://www.cableorganizer.com/power-strip-liberator/

and last up would be a giant strip to give all those wall adapters room if necessary:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16812120256

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Again, just my thoughts looking at what someone would need.  If someone buys a handful of these little guys, simply having enough outlet space could be a real challenge if the hubs and Jalapenos all have power bricks. 

Cheers. Now I have finally found a use for my Pi that is sitting in it's box...

The information I have from BFL indicates the SC Single will essentially be identical as the existing Single; that is, except for hashrate and power draw. Yes, it will need a host PC.

And as far as I know, the current minirigs do NOT have a Pi in them; that was only a possibility during development. But all the information I've seen on the minirigs indicates that the Pi was not included in the final shipping product. You still need a PC for them.

Good info, thanks.

Will the SC single need a PC? Or does it have a Raspberry Pi like the minirig? (False info: No pi, see next post.)

Very much appreciated, Link. Thanks for sharing this.

We now know that a Jalapeno needs a wall adapter ... which suggests it needs more than 2.5W to operate (2.5W is what a standard USB2 port is specced to provide). This is not unreasonable. As for USB2 or USB3, it doesn't matter; USB2 is more than adequate for mining.

  Sorry if this is redundant but I've been going back and forth with BFL and have found the following:

  1.  The Jalapenos will have a wall adapter along with the USB cable.  One port or two was not comfirmed yet but I'd imagine one.  Whether USB 2 or 3 though, is something I'd have to ask.

  2.  It is fine to connect many Jalapenos through a USB hub.

  3.  For people looking to pay with Pay pal instead of Bitcoin or bank wires, it was said that it should be up on the site soon.  There was no comment on their ability or inability to accept credit or debit cards.

  4.  October in general is still the slated release date.  Not all orders will be shipped at once.

  5.  Products appear to have a 6 month warranty.

  6.  We can deduce the power draw of a Jalapeno (already discussed in this and other threads).  I asked if a roughly 10x increase in draw was fair for a device (very roughly) producing 10x as much thoroughput - 300-400 watt range for a SC single rig.  They could not reply just yet as their engineers have not given them the wattage information yet.

  That's all I have for now folks.  Hope this helps.

I tend to agree. They won't know until they have silicon to test with; based on what happened with the old Singles, they would/should know that any simulations they have run may not be overly accurate.