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sr. member
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June 16, 2012, 03:37:24 AM
#69
Note:  We're currently focused on the shipment of our Mini Rig product and won't be able to field questions for a few days but we'll be back with answers to any questions.

BFL, when you're back online, could you give us an idea as to the timing for the new ASIC based products?  When do you expect to be shipping them?

And also, by the time you start shipping these ASIC based products, will you have ramped up production to provide quicker order-to-shipping times, or do you expect it will still be 4-6 / 8-10 weeks?

Thanks.
legendary
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June 16, 2012, 03:36:36 AM
#68
Just a little food for thought,I x3 the current diff.Still doable with 22 gh:



I'm sure it'll be a bit more like x6 or more,but.......................

What about power consumption?HuhHuhHuh?
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June 16, 2012, 03:29:15 AM
#67
As I am something of veteran of press releases I will make a few observations that are odd for press releases.

Surely you found nothing suspicious in our press release, then?

  http://news.yahoo.com/leading-sha256-hardware-manufacturer-acquires-venture-capital-funding-081026668.html

Well I think it might be about as believeable. Oh shit we better run for the hills and hide in caves.

I'm not actually going to worry to much about any of these announcements and we will almost certainly lose a few customers because they believe the bullshit. That won't affect what we are doing. We will continue to supply good products for the market as best we can. If the market happens to die and maybe the Bitcoin is lost well we have 23 years of doing designs for customers and that business hasn't gone away, Quite the contrary.

The FPGA might have a few surprises yet.

Yohan
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June 16, 2012, 03:20:01 AM
#66
As I am something of veteran of press releases I will make a few observations that are odd for press releases.

Surely you found nothing suspicious in our press release, then?

  http://news.yahoo.com/leading-sha256-hardware-manufacturer-acquires-venture-capital-funding-081026668.html
hero member
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June 16, 2012, 03:19:11 AM
#65
I'm with you on this P4man. Except you said asic in #1 instead of fpga.

Corrected Smiley.
legendary
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June 16, 2012, 03:18:25 AM
#64
BFL *did* say at some point that they'd do trade-ins of singles for ASICs, right? Any details on how exactly that will work?

Of course not, but I really hope we get priority over formal orders
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June 16, 2012, 03:16:27 AM
#63
I'm with you on this P4man. Except you said asic in #1 instead of fpga. Until I see some proof of hardware I have to default to thinking this is a way to pick up sales of their FPGA units in order to fund full ASIC development and wafer runs. Notice they bring up venture funding, my best guess is venture funding+spike in sales due to swap plan are how they intend to power through the high upfront cost of getting custom silicon to retail. I also bet they are 6-12 months (not even a rough launch window announced) out and looking to slow down ASIC competitors by grabbing as much of the future market as possible, especially since volume is critical for ASIC profitability.

Taking their announced hashes/W with a bucket of salt. Big numbers a company can always backtrack on are mainly to hurt competitors.

Note, this announcement does make them, AFAIK, the only FPGA miner company to announce a swap plan for exchanging their FPGA units for eventual ASIC units.

This strikes me as very odd. You could make a much higher profit margin. Why on earth would you price these this low?

Its not that odd; in fact it makes perfect sense for two reasons:
1) If they intend to accept preorders long before shipping the hardware, these prices will pretty much guarantee a huge backlog before the first asic miner even starts pushing up difficulty in to the stratosphere and people start realizing that $30K per TH may not be such a good move after all. The price is just low enough for people to realize that gpu and asic mining is dead and enticing those gpu/asic miners to place an order. Remember, per GH silicon cost is very close to zero.

2) it scares potential competitors. My guess is BFL has at most taped out, but not made the maskset yet. Thats why they got VC money and Im assuming thats recent. So you are looking at ~3-6 months before they have silicon, and probably another 3-6 months before they are ready to ship your first coffee warmer. This is a good time to deter potential competitors.
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June 16, 2012, 03:15:39 AM
#62
The smartest move would be to buy shares in BFL  Cheesy

Probably a lot smarter than buying their products. Still, remains to be seen if they are actually the first to hit the market. If they are not, they may have trouble recovering their investment.

Which is why is was a good move for them to sell equity.
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June 16, 2012, 03:15:07 AM
#61
BFL *did* say at some point that they'd do trade-ins of singles for ASICs, right? Any details on how exactly that will work?
sr. member
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June 16, 2012, 03:14:49 AM
#60
As I am something of veteran of press releases I will make a few observations that are odd for press releases.

The first is there is no expected date for products. It's usual to give customers some expectational of when it might be available.

The next observation is it doesn't even give the full name of who released it and even quoted in it. Again something that is normal to do.

Thirdly when VCs are involved it is usual to release who they are and how much they put in.

Now you might also say that I am being self centred on our business interests or even paranoid but the pricing they claim is probably unsustainable even in full ASIC. I could also be wrong about the market size and it might be sustainable. Now you might read think they are doing this to destroy competition and they probably will if their claimed prices and performance are achieved in a reasonable timescale. After the competition is destroyed well prices might then go up an awful lot. That's on the few reasons I can see that they would price this way. Even if they could make them cheap why sell them cheap. They could sell at the same price as us and still win big time and achieve the same.

A more paranoid reason might be a backdoor way to destroy the Bitcoin. I am sure that there are many governmental organisations that might what to achieve this. So being a VC with a relatively cheap investment of maybe a few million dollars would achieve this. It would reveal incomes of tax value much higher than investment andthere are plenty of other reasons as well for them to do that. Of course if it went wrong it's just a private company that did this.

Yohan
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June 16, 2012, 03:14:42 AM
#59
http://www.prweb.com/releases/2012/6/prweb9611938.htm

I was hoping for a better TH/$ Ratio...
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June 16, 2012, 03:14:29 AM
#58
The smartest move would be to buy shares in BFL  Cheesy

Probably a lot smarter than buying their products. Still, remains to be seen if they are actually the first to hit the market. If they are not, they may have trouble recovering their investment.
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June 16, 2012, 03:14:25 AM
#57
I'm torn between the fact that it's on a legitimate news site

Here's another interesting release on the same legitimate news site:

  http://www.prweb.com/releases/2012/6/prweb9611938.htm

Quote
Butterfly Swatter XL: a solar powered miner providing 98,000 TH/s priced at $5.99

I think thats a misquote Cheesy
mrb
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June 16, 2012, 03:13:36 AM
#56
That aside, speculating that this is real:  With the reward drop, it only makes sense that the average miner's hash rate will have to more than double to see the same rewards

Nope. If miners, on average, double their hashrate, the difficulty will double, so they would still see half the rewards.
legendary
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June 16, 2012, 03:12:55 AM
#55
I'm torn between the fact that it's on a legitimate news site

Here's another interesting release on the same legitimate news site:

  http://www.prweb.com/releases/2012/6/prweb9611938.htm

Butterfly swatter, I love it!
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Wat
June 16, 2012, 03:11:44 AM
#54
The smartest move would be to buy shares in BFL  Cheesy

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June 16, 2012, 03:11:32 AM
#53
I'm torn between the fact that it's on a legitimate news site

Here's another interesting release on the same legitimate news sites:

  http://news.yahoo.com/leading-sha256-hardware-manufacturer-acquires-venture-capital-funding-081026668.html

  http://www.prweb.com/releases/2012/6/prweb9611938.htm
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June 16, 2012, 03:08:50 AM
#52
I just can not believe this. GPUs are useless, FPGAs are useless before they give me positive ROI.


Actually, if you already own the FPGA, Im giving you fair odds of breaking even. Odds on breaking even on those ASICs however, are close to zero IMO.
legendary
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June 16, 2012, 03:06:42 AM
#51
I just can not believe this. GPUs are useless, FPGAs are useless before they give me positive ROI.

All the money invested in mining HW will go to BFL. This is a dangerous situation.
Why is it dangerous?
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June 16, 2012, 03:06:25 AM
#50
We need to start taking bets on what the delivery specs will actually be  Roll Eyes
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