[Archive] BFL trolling museum - page 81.

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Quote from: DiabloD3 on December 18, 2012, 08:23:17 AM

Quote from: SgtSpike on December 17, 2012, 11:27:23 AM

Quote from: Syke on December 16, 2012, 07:34:25 PM

Quote from: Askit2 on December 16, 2012, 04:53:24 PM

Seems the important point is the Put Blah Blah Blah in your signature space. This isn't a purchase so Yeah if you want a shot put it in your signature it costs nothing. Maybe pride or ego but nothing monitarily. I am pretty sure there is no accepted exchange rate for pride or ego to $.

Providing advertising for a company is a form of consideration. Requiring some form of consideration for a sweepstakes turns it into an illegal lottery.

It's only advertising as much as requiring people to like & share a page on Facebook is (thereby advertising it on their newsfeed). If this is illegal, then I know of a whole host of companies on Facebook who should face similar indictments.

There was a CEO that got slammed by the SEC for a Facebook message, I forget which company though.

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Quote from: SgtSpike on December 17, 2012, 11:27:23 AM

Quote from: Syke on December 16, 2012, 07:34:25 PM

Quote from: Askit2 on December 16, 2012, 04:53:24 PM

Seems the important point is the Put Blah Blah Blah in your signature space. This isn't a purchase so Yeah if you want a shot put it in your signature it costs nothing. Maybe pride or ego but nothing monitarily. I am pretty sure there is no accepted exchange rate for pride or ego to $.

Providing advertising for a company is a form of consideration. Requiring some form of consideration for a sweepstakes turns it into an illegal lottery.

It's only advertising as much as requiring people to like & share a page on Facebook is (thereby advertising it on their newsfeed). If this is illegal, then I know of a whole host of companies on Facebook who should face similar indictments.

There was a CEO that got slammed by the SEC for a Facebook message, I forget which company though.

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Quote from: Syke on December 16, 2012, 07:34:25 PM

Quote from: Askit2 on December 16, 2012, 04:53:24 PM

Seems the important point is the Put Blah Blah Blah in your signature space. This isn't a purchase so Yeah if you want a shot put it in your signature it costs nothing. Maybe pride or ego but nothing monitarily. I am pretty sure there is no accepted exchange rate for pride or ego to $.

Providing advertising for a company is a form of consideration. Requiring some form of consideration for a sweepstakes turns it into an illegal lottery.

It's only advertising as much as requiring people to like & share a page on Facebook is (thereby advertising it on their newsfeed). If this is illegal, then I know of a whole host of companies on Facebook who should face similar indictments.

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Quote from: greyhawk on December 16, 2012, 08:51:13 PM

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SloK on the forums to announce he was buying BFL products:

He's a contest participant.

... and therefore an asshamster.

Note: Not all asshamsters are contest participants - but all contest participants are asshamsters Wink

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Quote from: MrTeal on December 16, 2012, 04:33:07 PM

Quote from: greyhawk on December 16, 2012, 04:07:31 PM

Quote from: Syke on December 16, 2012, 03:32:31 PM

Quote from: Bogart on December 16, 2012, 10:18:42 AM

I don't really like the contest either. Unfortunately if called out, BFL can truthfully say "but our competition does it too!"

Doesn't matter if anyone else is doing it. BFL is running an illegal lottery. No surprise, really, having been founded by a felon convicted of running an illegal scheme. By requiring consideration, in the form of advertising by the participants, and not having a "no purchase necessary" way to enter the contest, they are in clear violation of the law.

Nah, you're mixing up contests, sweepstakes and lotteries. Those are three different things differently regulated. The "no purchase necessary" applies to sweepstakes. Participation in a lottery requires monetary payment. What BFL is doing is a contest, where a reward is awarded among those participants (their status as customer or non-customer is irrelevant) that successfully "won" a puzzle or game. The puzzle or game in this case being "whore out your BTCTalk signature and keep posting on BTCTalk". It's unethical, but not illegal.

If it was illegal, the same would apply to every "Like us on Facebook for a chance to win a prize" contest.

Is that supposed to be reassuring ? Tongue

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Quote from: mem on December 16, 2012, 08:46:00 PM

SloK on the forums to announce he was buying BFL products:

Quote from: SLok on September 19, 2012, 04:55:25 PM

Hi y'all, SLok from The Netherlands, as many of you waiting for my (6) Jalapeno's. Mainly signed up to get access to the ignore button, btw.

and has dont nothing but blindly defend them while ignoring all discussion points raised regarding their dodgey practices.
He is either an idiot or a shill.

He's a contest participant.

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Quote from: Frizz23 on December 15, 2012, 07:04:09 AM

Quote from: SLok on December 15, 2012, 06:44:25 AM

So let me explain it to you for the 3th time: you can only see ALL comments by going to the bfl forum mainpage, bottom and selecting the topic under "article comments".
The 2 complainers just like you use either the article itself where comments are not properly added or use the links shown through the "what's new" page, which act the same, that is: lead to the article instead of the topic.

Nice explanation. You know Occams Razor (a principle stating that among competing hypotheses, the one that makes the fewest assumptions should be selected)? So: BFL deletes comments - hence users complain about deleted comments.

Seriously SLok, why do you defend BFL so much? Are you happy with their customer support? Their constantly delayed shipment dates? Their information policy? Their transparency? I mean their last "BFL ASIC Delays - An In-Depth Explanation" was a joke - yet it still seems to be OK for you.

Why?

SloK on the forums to announce he was buying BFL products:

Quote from: SLok on September 19, 2012, 04:55:25 PM

Hi y'all, SLok from The Netherlands, as many of you waiting for my (6) Jalapeno's. Mainly signed up to get access to the ignore button, btw.

and has dont nothing but blindly defend them while ignoring all discussion points raised regarding their dodgey practices.
He is either an idiot or a shill.

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Quote from: MrTeal on December 16, 2012, 04:33:07 PM

Quote from: greyhawk on December 16, 2012, 04:07:31 PM

Quote from: Syke on December 16, 2012, 03:32:31 PM

Quote from: Bogart on December 16, 2012, 10:18:42 AM

I don't really like the contest either. Unfortunately if called out, BFL can truthfully say "but our competition does it too!"

Doesn't matter if anyone else is doing it. BFL is running an illegal lottery. No surprise, really, having been founded by a felon convicted of running an illegal scheme. By requiring consideration, in the form of advertising by the participants, and not having a "no purchase necessary" way to enter the contest, they are in clear violation of the law.

Nah, you're mixing up contests, sweepstakes and lotteries. Those are three different things differently regulated. The "no purchase necessary" applies to sweepstakes. Participation in a lottery requires monetary payment. What BFL is doing is a contest, where a reward is awarded among those participants (their status as customer or non-customer is irrelevant) that successfully "won" a puzzle or game. The puzzle or game in this case being "whore out your BTCTalk signature and keep posting on BTCTalk". It's unethical, but not illegal.

If it was illegal, the same would apply to every "Like us on Facebook for a chance to win a prize" contest.

This is the exact kind of Scam Sonny runs.......

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Quote from: Askit2 on December 16, 2012, 04:53:24 PM

Seems the important point is the Put Blah Blah Blah in your signature space. This isn't a purchase so Yeah if you want a shot put it in your signature it costs nothing. Maybe pride or ego but nothing monitarily. I am pretty sure there is no accepted exchange rate for pride or ego to $.

Providing advertising for a company is a form of consideration. Requiring some form of consideration for a sweepstakes turns it into an illegal lottery.

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Quote from: Phinnaeus Gage on December 16, 2012, 11:58:35 AM

Quote from: Bogart on December 16, 2012, 10:18:42 AM

Quote from: PuertoLibre on December 16, 2012, 08:48:47 AM

Actually, they haven't been paid yet as far as I know.

They have been promised that when BFL's products are ready, then they will receive one for free.

The contest is for an FPGA single. There was some question a while back whether the winners had received their hardware, to which Josh stated "they have all been shipped". I imaging there would have been more said about it if ppl had not actually received it.

I don't really like the contest either. Unfortunately if called out, BFL can truthfully say "but our competition does it too!"

But somebody set the standard. At one time in Tunica, everybody had to pay for mixed drinks while sitting at the bar, until Sam's Town was the first to change policy, whereupon all the other casinos had to follow suit or face lower attendance.

Damn, I miss poker life sometimes. Free rooms, free food, horny waitresses, southern hospitality... Did I mention horny waitresses?

Finally an interesting post in this thread. Are they really horny, or do they just think you'll "tip" better (pun intended)?

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Seems the important point is the Put Blah Blah Blah in your signature space. This isn't a purchase so Yeah if you want a shot put it in your signature it costs nothing. Maybe pride or ego but nothing monitarily. I am pretty sure there is no accepted exchange rate for pride or ego to $.

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Quote from: MrTeal on December 16, 2012, 04:33:07 PM

Quote from: greyhawk on December 16, 2012, 04:07:31 PM

Quote from: Syke on December 16, 2012, 03:32:31 PM

Quote from: Bogart on December 16, 2012, 10:18:42 AM

I don't really like the contest either. Unfortunately if called out, BFL can truthfully say "but our competition does it too!"

Doesn't matter if anyone else is doing it. BFL is running an illegal lottery. No surprise, really, having been founded by a felon convicted of running an illegal scheme. By requiring consideration, in the form of advertising by the participants, and not having a "no purchase necessary" way to enter the contest, they are in clear violation of the law.

Nah, you're mixing up contests, sweepstakes and lotteries. Those are three different things differently regulated. The "no purchase necessary" applies to sweepstakes. Participation in a lottery requires monetary payment. What BFL is doing is a contest, where a reward is awarded among those participants (their status as customer or non-customer is irrelevant) that successfully "won" a puzzle or game. The puzzle or game in this case being "whore out your BTCTalk signature and keep posting on BTCTalk". It's unethical, but not illegal.

If it was illegal, the same would apply to every "Like us on Facebook for a chance to win a prize" contest.

Yup.

EDIT: Wait, no, that's a sweepstakes. A contest would be "Upload your favorite baby seal photo and like us on facebook for a chance to win a prize".

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Quote from: greyhawk on December 16, 2012, 04:07:31 PM

Quote from: Syke on December 16, 2012, 03:32:31 PM

Quote from: Bogart on December 16, 2012, 10:18:42 AM

I don't really like the contest either. Unfortunately if called out, BFL can truthfully say "but our competition does it too!"

Doesn't matter if anyone else is doing it. BFL is running an illegal lottery. No surprise, really, having been founded by a felon convicted of running an illegal scheme. By requiring consideration, in the form of advertising by the participants, and not having a "no purchase necessary" way to enter the contest, they are in clear violation of the law.

Nah, you're mixing up contests, sweepstakes and lotteries. Those are three different things differently regulated. The "no purchase necessary" applies to sweepstakes. Participation in a lottery requires monetary payment. What BFL is doing is a contest, where a reward is awarded among those participants (their status as customer or non-customer is irrelevant) that successfully "won" a puzzle or game. The puzzle or game in this case being "whore out your BTCTalk signature and keep posting on BTCTalk". It's unethical, but not illegal.

If it was illegal, the same would apply to every "Like us on Facebook for a chance to win a prize" contest.

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Quote from: PuertoLibre on December 16, 2012, 04:14:04 PM

Quote from: Syke on December 16, 2012, 03:32:31 PM

Quote from: Bogart on December 16, 2012, 10:18:42 AM

I don't really like the contest either. Unfortunately if called out, BFL can truthfully say "but our competition does it too!"

Doesn't matter if anyone else is doing it. BFL is running an illegal lottery. No surprise, really, having been founded by a felon convicted of running an illegal scheme. By requiring consideration, in the form of advertising by the participants, and not having a "no purchase necessary" way to enter the contest, they are in clear violation of the law.

Wait, so you have to be a customer in order to be eligible?

Hmm...

No.

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Quote from: Syke on December 16, 2012, 03:32:31 PM

Quote from: Bogart on December 16, 2012, 10:18:42 AM

I don't really like the contest either. Unfortunately if called out, BFL can truthfully say "but our competition does it too!"

Doesn't matter if anyone else is doing it. BFL is running an illegal lottery. No surprise, really, having been founded by a felon convicted of running an illegal scheme. By requiring consideration, in the form of advertising by the participants, and not having a "no purchase necessary" way to enter the contest, they are in clear violation of the law.

Wait, so you have to be a customer in order to be eligible?

Hmm...

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Quote from: SLok on December 16, 2012, 07:59:54 AM

Quote from: smoothie on December 15, 2012, 10:17:56 PM

Quote from: DoomDumas on December 15, 2012, 09:03:23 PM

Some are complaining about paid signature, like mine.. I complain about paid anti-BFL troll that spam bitcoin-talk forum with lies and fud.. hmm.. maybe they are not paid, if so, they must be mad or someting like mentaly ill ?!?!?

BTW, those anti-bfl trolls that seems to fight so much to protect peoples from "being scam by bfl" made the ignore button very usefull in my case.. Now I'm able to go trought this king of thread in few minutes..

Quite a relief

how much did bfl pay you for your signature space??? lol Cheesy

full diclosure: no one is paying me to call out BFL bullshit.

No one would be so stupid to pay you for the bullshit that comes out of you, dream on.

Quote from: organofcorti on December 16, 2012, 06:56:33 AM

Quote from: nathanrees19 on December 16, 2012, 05:27:24 AM

Quote from: aTg on December 16, 2012, 03:09:09 AM

This is the most pathetic thing I've ever seen ...

Um, it's an online promotion. They're all over the interwebs in various forms.

Edit: You have inspired me to participate. U mad?

Looks like that competition finished in November. U mad? Wink

There's one every week, now u mad?

For you BULLSHIT = TELLING THE TRUTH AND CALLING IT WHAT IT IS.......SHIT

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Quote from: Syke on December 16, 2012, 03:32:31 PM

Quote from: Bogart on December 16, 2012, 10:18:42 AM

I don't really like the contest either. Unfortunately if called out, BFL can truthfully say "but our competition does it too!"

Doesn't matter if anyone else is doing it. BFL is running an illegal lottery. No surprise, really, having been founded by a felon convicted of running an illegal scheme. By requiring consideration, in the form of advertising by the participants, and not having a "no purchase necessary" way to enter the contest, they are in clear violation of the law.

Nah, you're mixing up contests, sweepstakes and lotteries. Those are three different things differently regulated. The "no purchase necessary" applies to sweepstakes. Participation in a lottery requires monetary payment. What BFL is doing is a contest, where a reward is awarded among those participants (their status as customer or non-customer is irrelevant) that successfully "won" a puzzle or game. The puzzle or game in this case being "whore out your BTCTalk signature and keep posting on BTCTalk". It's unethical, but not illegal.

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What law exactly? Your law? US law? EU law? I realy need a link for that law....

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Quote from: Bogart on December 16, 2012, 10:18:42 AM

I don't really like the contest either. Unfortunately if called out, BFL can truthfully say "but our competition does it too!"

Doesn't matter if anyone else is doing it. BFL is running an illegal lottery. No surprise, really, having been founded by a felon convicted of running an illegal scheme. By requiring consideration, in the form of advertising by the participants, and not having a "no purchase necessary" way to enter the contest, they are in clear violation of the law.

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Quote from: nathanrees19 on December 16, 2012, 03:03:14 PM

Quote from: PuertoLibre on December 16, 2012, 08:53:54 AM

1) Simply ask them what is so great about BFL. (in very concise terms...no vague remarks)

2) Then, ask them how they view the faults of BFL. (again, in very concise terms)

3) Once they have excused their chosen vendor for their errors, however grave it may be...

4) Use or "Adapt" the exact same reasons and words they used or employed to defend your own vendor.

1) Community as a whole benefits from ASIC vendor competition. BFL's chips should be more efficient (due to 65nm).

2) I don't care, as long as they eventually deliver. The 65nm process is riskier but should keep their product competitive for longer, even if Avalon delivers sooner.

3/4) Obviously I also want to see Avalon and the others succeed. Competition is beneficial.

Agreed.

As long as none of the vendors over extends themselves [through competition] and subsequently bankrupts their company. I assume every currently available vendor is smart enough to avoid this. (Though, sometimes I have my doubts)

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