Not too worried about who draws a prettier picture. I want to buy from the guy that ships the most for the least the soonest.
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Not too worried about who draws a prettier picture. I want to buy from the guy that ships the most for the least the soonest.
A hell of a lot better than Tom's render of his board. Ya, his was literally a giant green square with 16 little black squares.
Oh please god, no. Not again one of those "BFL sucks but the others suck too" statements. Inaba does this all the time. Do you asshamsters have to copy him all the time?
(for the record: Tom's render sucks indeed!)
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Technical information: They have given technical information, beyond just "65nm @ 1GH/W".
Go on then - prove me wrong. Tell me some of those technical informations (and no - "it has a USB port" is no technical information).I assume it will take you forever. But never mind - I had expected nothing different from you asshamsters ...
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It would be nice if BFL had this information all in none place. They do have a web page, no?
If Toyota had the same crappy reputation as BFL I would strongly doubt they can develop an atomic car.
You are too kind to me 
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Concepts: They have released renderings of their chip and the heatsink.
Wow ... they have released a black box with a BFL logo on it. You call that a concept?And a rendering of a chip? Really useful stuff! Let me guess how this looks like: A black, square thingy with lots of silver pins? Surely no other chip on this planet looks like that
A hell of a lot better than Tom's render of his board. Ya, his was literally a giant green square with 16 little black squares.
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Exact drawings: They have released photos of both their assembled board AND the case(s) they will be in.
They have released photos of a PCB. And they have released photos of some chips/ASICs. Month ago. The ASICs - as we all know, and even confirmed by BFL, don't exist as per today. So what do those photos tell you? Right - all fake.Quote
Technical information: They have given technical information, beyond just "65nm @ 1GH/W".
Go on then - prove me wrong. Tell me some of those technical informations (and no - "it has a USB port" is no technical information).IMHO it's not me that's responsible for BFLs crappy reputation - it's BFLs long history of deceiving the community, their deviation of specification vs. real product (their FPGAs performed a lot worse than planned), their constantly delayed shipping dates.
Ridiculous...it's all you.
Damn I can't wait until Jan/Feb/Mar when someone has finally released an ASIC and all this crap goes away.
So .... what are you going to do for light entertainment then?
Damn I can't wait until Jan/Feb/Mar when someone has finally released an ASIC and all this crap goes away.
Me too!!!
By the way ... did you mean 2013 or 2014?
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When are you going to visit BFL? Any dates yet?
Damn I can't wait until Jan/Feb/Mar when someone has finally released an ASIC and all this crap goes away.
If Toyota had people like you dedicated to shitting all over their brand name, I'm sure their reputation would suffer as well.
You are too kind to me
IMHO it's not me that's responsible for BFLs crappy reputation - it's BFLs long history of deceiving the community, their deviation of specification vs. real product (their FPGAs performed a lot worse than planned), their constantly delayed shipping dates.
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Concepts: They have released renderings of their chip and the heatsink.
Wow ... they have released a black box with a BFL logo on it. You call that a concept?
And a rendering of a chip? Really useful stuff! Let me guess how this looks like: A black, square thingy with lots of silver pins? Surely no other chip on this planet looks like that
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Exact drawings: They have released photos of both their assembled board AND the case(s) they will be in.
They have released photos of a PCB. And they have released photos of some chips/ASICs. Month ago. The ASICs - as we all know, and even confirmed by BFL, don't exist as per today. So what do those photos tell you? Right - all fake.
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Technical information: They have given technical information, beyond just "65nm @ 1GH/W".
Go on then - prove me wrong. Tell me some of those technical informations (and no - "it has a USB port" is no technical information).
Does the atomic car exist only because there are some rumors and renderings?
Rumors? If Toyota claims to have developed an atomic car, revealed concepts at autoshows, reveals exact drawings and recreations, and lists pricing and technical information, can you still call it little more than a rumor?If Toyota had the same crappy reputation as BFL I would strongly doubt they can develop an atomic car.
From the things you mentioned BFL has only revealed the pricing.
No concepts, no exact drawings, no technical information (and no - "it's in 65nm" and "it's about about 1Watt/Gh" and "unicorn blood" is no exact technical information).
If you want to know how this information could look like please take a look here:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.1381739
If Toyota had people like you dedicated to shitting all over their brand name, I'm sure their reputation would suffer as well.
Concepts: They have released renderings of their chip and the heatsink.
Exact drawings: They have released photos of both their assembled board AND the case(s) they will be in.
Technical information: They have given technical information, beyond just "65nm @ 1GH/W". Going by your reasoning, when Apple releases a new Macbook that "claims" to have wifi, but they don't release what chipset they are using, they must be lying to us!
So if the car doesn't start when you put the key in and turn it, do you no longer call it a car? If someone has removed the battery, it's no longer a car?
Nope, I'd still call it a car. Though I may amend that and call it a...crappy car.
Is a BFL Single SC a Single SC without ASIC chips? Is a car a car if it has no motor?
I'm not trying to claim that BFL ASICS do, in fact, exist. I am simply trying to dispell the belief that an ASIC must have hashed on the main network before it exists. That's just bad logic. It obviously exists moments before it hashes on the main network.
Hmmm. I'd like a definition of "moments". What length of time is a "moment"? If it's further divisible by any amount, could the hashing device have not existed only in that shorter time frame? The length of a moment becomes a moving target which, at it's limit, equals zero. So an an object simply cannot exist (with respect to the network ) for any appreciable time before it hashes. From the perspective of the network, ASIC hashing devices are simply spontaneously generated.
I have discovered a truly marvelous proof of this, which this thread is too narrow to contain.
Does the atomic car exist only because there are some rumors and renderings?
Rumors? If Toyota claims to have developed an atomic car, revealed concepts at autoshows, reveals exact drawings and recreations, and lists pricing and technical information, can you still call it little more than a rumor?If Toyota had the same crappy reputation as BFL I would strongly doubt they can develop an atomic car.
From the things you mentioned BFL has only revealed the pricing.
No concepts, no exact drawings, no technical information (and no - "it's in 65nm" and "it's about about 1Watt/Gh" and "unicorn blood" is no exact technical information).
If you want to know how this information could look like please take a look here:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.1381739
So if the car doesn't start when you put the key in and turn it, do you no longer call it a car? If someone has removed the battery, it's no longer a car?
Nope, I'd still call it a car. Though I may amend that and call it a...crappy car.
Is a BFL Single SC a Single SC without ASIC chips? Is a car a car if it has no motor?
I'm not trying to claim that BFL ASICS do, in fact, exist. I am simply trying to dispell the belief that an ASIC must have hashed on the main network before it exists. That's just bad logic. It obviously exists moments before it hashes on the main network.
Does the atomic car exist only because there are some rumors and renderings?
Rumors? If Toyota claims to have developed an atomic car, revealed concepts at autoshows, reveals exact drawings and recreations, and lists pricing and technical information, can you still call it little more than a rumor?No. So if BFL has done all of this for their SC Single, you can't call it a rumor. It's an unreleased product.
So if the car doesn't start when you put the key in and turn it, do you no longer call it a car? If someone has removed the battery, it's no longer a car?
Nope, I'd still call it a car. Though I may amend that and call it a...crappy car.
Is a BFL Single SC a Single SC without ASIC chips? Is a car a car if it has no motor?
I am sure they don't exist at this point. If they would exist,
a) BFL would have proudly shown the world a working prototype.
a) BFL would have proudly shown the world a working prototype.
You're confusing "existence" with "products ready to ship".
Does the atomic car exist only because there are some rumors and renderings?
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A baby exists for many months before it is born.
Oh please god, no. Now this whole thing gets religious!
Christians may share your opinion. Other might not ...
You'd also have to be delusional to think they are alive.
Clearly.
Still, I don't understand why people conflate "incomplete" with "nonexistent". What strange dichotomous worlds some people must live in.
Perhaps a more accurate phrasing would be "does not yet exist with respect to the bitcoin network". If no hashing for the network has been done by a BFL ASIC, then from the networks point of view they do not exist even if complete.
Existence of an item or product does not depend on the use of that item or product. If a car is sitting on a dealer's lot, do you say it does not exist yet because it has not been driven?
I would not, but the car on the lot in your example has been completely assembled and has all working parts (theorectically) in place and in proper working order.
@Phinnaeus - I think we can all agree that the Yugo was something other than a car.
You'd also have to be delusional to think they are alive.
Clearly.
Still, I don't understand why people conflate "incomplete" with "nonexistent". What strange dichotomous worlds some people must live in.
Perhaps a more accurate phrasing would be "does not yet exist with respect to the bitcoin network". If no hashing for the network has been done by a BFL ASIC, then from the networks point of view they do not exist even if complete.
Existence of an item or product does not depend on the use of that item or product. If a car is sitting on a dealer's lot, do you say it does not exist yet because it has not been driven?
I would not, but the car on the lot in your example has been completely assembled and has all working parts (theorectically) in place and in proper working order.
You'd also have to be delusional to think they are alive.
Clearly.
Still, I don't understand why people conflate "incomplete" with "nonexistent". What strange dichotomous worlds some people must live in.
Perhaps a more accurate phrasing would be "does not yet exist with respect to the bitcoin network". If no hashing for the network has been done by a BFL ASIC, then from the networks point of view they do not exist even if complete.
Existence of an item or product does not depend on the use of that item or product. If a car is sitting on a dealer's lot, do you say it does not exist yet because it has not been driven?
I would not, but the car on the lot in your example has been completely assembled and has all working parts (theorectically) in place and in proper working order.
You'd also have to be delusional to think they are alive.
Clearly.
Still, I don't understand why people conflate "incomplete" with "nonexistent". What strange dichotomous worlds some people must live in.
Perhaps a more accurate phrasing would be "does not yet exist with respect to the bitcoin network". If no hashing for the network has been done by a BFL ASIC, then from the networks point of view they do not exist even if complete.
Existence of an item or product does not depend on the use of that item or product. If a car is sitting on a dealer's lot, do you say it does not exist yet because it has not been driven?
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