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Ardor has been added to https://cointostake.com (staking statistics + monitoring)

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From where I sit... it will not have any effect as ARDOR staking reward  is very small compared to say SNR. Only wide use of  BaaS offered by Ardor platform will surge it .
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Ardor has been added to https://cointostake.com (staking statistics + monitoring)

Biggest POS list. Check staking rewards, stats, ROI. POS earning calculator.
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Jelurida reported that Ardor blockchain in Java is now able to work as a full-fledged node on Android OS

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I try to send ARDR from my fully-synced local wallet. While sending, it shows me the following message:

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Phasing attachments not allowed for Ardor transactions

What does it mean?
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Sad to see this project dying a slow death. Sure, some development here and there, but making money so that that all the small-amount-investors that jumped on the hype train will be rewarded? Nope. 0 chance. And any chance that this project will be adopted on a large scale? Nope. 0 chance. Competition is so far ahead.
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Well there aren't so many new childchains in the history of ardor yet, and I do not see a reason why the number of childchains may skyrocket in the future. In the best case, I would guess that a maximum of 1 - 2 childchains a year might come to the platform. Also with pruning and snapchats the number I do not see a future where the ARDOR Blockchain might grow faster, than cheap storage becomes available.
I hope the devs can deliver the snapchat function in the first half of 2020 to the mainnet. And hopefully they will do some marketing after that  Grin

1-2 per year? Hm.., hence our views  diverge as I think that share will probably increases significantly when Jellurida allows create chieldchains literaly  to everybody interested in BaaS. BTW, could you elaborate a bit of the snapchat function? Never heard about this before.


My apologies, autocorrect on my smartphone...... It is not snapchat, it is snapshot  Cheesy
The 1-2 per year is based on the the history of ARDOR. In the beginning I would have also thought that the number of childchains may be higher, but it seems, that companies are not (yet) interested in ARDOR and that the previous marketing of Jelurida is not enough.
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Well there aren't so many new childchains in the history of ardor yet, and I do not see a reason why the number of childchains may skyrocket in the future. In the best case, I would guess that a maximum of 1 - 2 childchains a year might come to the platform. Also with pruning and snapchats the number I do not see a future where the ARDOR Blockchain might grow faster, than cheap storage becomes available.
I hope the devs can deliver the snapchat function in the first half of 2020 to the mainnet. And hopefully they will do some marketing after that  Grin

1-2 per year? Hm.., hence our views  diverge as I think that share will probably increases significantly when Jellurida allows create chieldchains literaly  to everybody interested in BaaS. BTW, could you elaborate a bit of the snapchat function? Never heard about this before.
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I think you confuses the amount of storage and RAM.
You do not need plenty of RAM for ARDOR. You can run the node on an old Laptop with < 2 GB RAM, where the OS needs most of this RAM, or on an old Raspberry Pi.
64 GB RAM is something a high end PC for video or photo-editing has today. I think there is no Smartphone out there which has this much of RAM.

The ARDOR Blockchain on the other hand has right now a size of under 1 GB. So this is also small enough to run on most smartphones.

I think this news is amazing, there are millions of people who have no PC but a smartphone, but Jelurida has to do some marketing with this news.

My bad, indeed right now Ardor's blockchain  is really to small compared with those one of Bitcoin, so there is no need  to worry of RAM in most affordable phones. Do you think that  trend will continue  with  new childchains on ARDOR platform?

Well there aren't so many new childchains in the history of ardor yet, and I do not see a reason why the number of childchains may skyrocket in the future. In the best case, I would guess that a maximum of 1 - 2 childchains a year might come to the platform. Also with pruning and snapshot I do not see a future where the ARDOR Blockchain might grow faster, than cheap storage becomes available.
I hope the devs can deliver the snapchat function in the first half of 2020 to the mainnet. And hopefully they will do some marketing after that  Grin
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I think you confuses the amount of storage and RAM.
You do not need plenty of RAM for ARDOR. You can run the node on an old Laptop with < 2 GB RAM, where the OS needs most of this RAM, or on an old Raspberry Pi.
64 GB RAM is something a high end PC for video or photo-editing has today. I think there is no Smartphone out there which has this much of RAM.

The ARDOR Blockchain on the other hand has right now a size of under 1 GB. So this is also small enough to run on most smartphones.

I think this news is amazing, there are millions of people who have no PC but a smartphone, but Jelurida has to do some marketing with this news.

My bad, indeed right now Ardor's blockchain  is really to small compared with those one of Bitcoin, so there is no need  to worry of RAM in most affordable phones. Do you think that  trend will continue  with  new childchains on ARDOR platform?


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I think you confuses the amount of storage and RAM.
You do not need plenty of RAM for ARDOR. You can run the node on an old Laptop with < 2 GB RAM, where the OS needs most of this RAM, or on an old Raspberry Pi.
64 GB RAM is something a high end PC for video or photo-editing has today. I think there is no Smartphone out there which has this much of RAM.

The ARDOR Blockchain on the other hand has right now a size of under 1 GB. So this is also small enough to run on most smartphones.

I think this news is amazing, there are millions of people who have no PC but a smartphone, but Jelurida has to do some marketing with this news.

Their marketing is amazingly awful. Nice tech, but they really need to fire (or hire) someone for marketing. Right now it looks like they just try to go with press releases and hope crypto sites pick up the news ... but since the coin isn't on the hype train to begin with, not many even bother to mention it.

I also don't get why they don't alter their release pattern so rating sites list them higher. Lior had a blog post about this and it is kind of ridiculous, where rating sites look at github (which Jelurida doesn't even use) and updates (even if meaningless) to convey dev activity ... so ardor is lower ranked than coins that basically have no dev teams at all. Yet Jelurida sticks with delayed updates and releases  code all at once because they are afraid others will steal it early. Of course this results in less hype and lower ratings, even if they release a ton more stuff than some higher rated coins. The simple way to look at it is -- Jelurida needs to play the hype/marketing game like everyone else, yet so far they haven't.

As for the android node stuff, that could be interesting if they ever go with an IOT partner. It'd be amusing if my refrigerator or other oddball devices could stake coins.
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In other words, Ardor can now run (via new software package) as a Full Node on Android devices.


As I see that… to operate as  full node an   Android-based cell phone must keep the whole blockchain  and thus have plenty of RAM installed,  in other words  the cheep devices are not suitable for that. But, sure those people who run nodes to  forge coins would appreciate such  solution and buy mobiles with at least 64Gb RAM.



I think you confuses the amount of storage and RAM.
You do not need plenty of RAM for ARDOR. You can run the node on an old Laptop with < 2 GB RAM, where the OS needs most of this RAM, or on an old Raspberry Pi.
64 GB RAM is something a high end PC for video or photo-editing has today. I think there is no Smartphone out there which has this much of RAM.

The ARDOR Blockchain on the other hand has right now a size of under 1 GB. So this is also small enough to run on most smartphones.

I think this news is amazing, there are millions of people who have no PC but a smartphone, but Jelurida has to do some marketing with this news.
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In other words, Ardor can now run (via new software package) as a Full Node on Android devices.


As I see that… to operate as  full node an   Android-based cell phone must keep the whole blockchain  and thus have plenty of RAM installed,  in other words  the cheep devices are not suitable for that. But, sure those people who run nodes to  forge coins would appreciate such  solution and buy mobiles with at least 64Gb RAM.


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Buy The F*cking Dip
Ardor released new software for devices with Android operating systems, which will allow all project participants to support the work of the network using mobile devices

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In other words, Ardor can now run (via new software package) as a Full Node on Android devices. This is the first time where a decentralized blockchain platform enables users to join the network and participate equally in the PoS consensus by only using a mobile phone. Users are no longer required to setup and maintain a server or leave a laptop running all the time to forge new blocks.


Source: https://blog.blockfolio.com/twibs-cardano-adds-partners-for-payment-processing-litecoin-going-private-with-mw-iota-partners-d47772894a65#6bd0
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I still have no clue what Ignis is really used for besides the lightweight contract stuff, and no idea why that couldn't have just been done with Ardor by itself.
Only Ignis transactions can be pruned, Ardor transactions cannot. That's the reason why most advanced features are only available with Ignis.

That makes Ignis transactions cheaper in terms of transaction fees, because there is less maintainment cost associated to it (if we part from a fixed number of transactions, the more oft them are using Ignis instead of Ardor, the lighter the blockchain becomes). That's obviously currently not so relevant (due to the low price which makes an 1 ARDR fee feel "cheap", and the generally low number of transacions), but if the project eventually becomes a success, then it would become a crucial advantage for Ignis.
An unhappy NXT has no application at all now?
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Ardor released new software for devices with Android operating systems, which will allow all project participants to support the work of the network using mobile devices

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 And many ask themselves what the IGNIS token is meant for - the answer is actually that its utility depends also on the pruning feature as it would enable a lightweight payment sub-chain.

From where I sit... they have launched child-chain of Ignis on Ardor platform just to keep all  NXT features like market, voting, coin forging etc which are not bad at all. In fact Ignis is a next version of NXT improved through efficiency gains.
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I still have no clue what Ignis is really used for besides the lightweight contract stuff, and no idea why that couldn't have just been done with Ardor by itself.
Only Ignis transactions can be pruned, Ardor transactions cannot. That's the reason why most advanced features are only available with Ignis.

That makes Ignis transactions cheaper in terms of transaction fees, because there is less maintainment cost associated to it (if we part from a fixed number of transactions, the more oft them are using Ignis instead of Ardor, the lighter the blockchain becomes). That's obviously currently not so relevant (due to the low price which makes an 1 ARDR fee feel "cheap", and the generally low number of transacions), but if the project eventually becomes a success, then it would become a crucial advantage for Ignis.
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But generally speaking, I think the coin has not a problem related to missing features, but more of a communication problem. This thread, for example, is practically deserted, the Ardor forum has low activity, and there is confusion between the NXT and ARDOR brands (while Ardor isn't a particularly bad name, I would have preferred it to be called simply "NXT 2.0" as originally intended, but they cited intellectual property problems because of other NXT-named brands). And many ask themselves what the IGNIS token is meant for - the answer is actually that its utility depends also on the pruning feature as it would enable a lightweight payment sub-chain.

That's what it really boils down to. I have never seen a coin so focused on laying the groundwork (coding/conferences and so on) yet ignore proper marketing so badly. It's like they do the reverse of most other projects... there are some coins w/ much higher valuations, without even really working products, but tons of hype. Ardor is like the anti-hype coin, doing the background stuff, but kind of forgetting to tell anyone it exists. Beats me why they ignore this forum so much either, it takes minimal effort to announce news here.

And they should have retired NXT 1.0, I see no point to their team putting resources on it still ... and as you say, NXT/IGNIS/ARDOR just confuses people. I still have no clue what Ignis is really used for besides the lightweight contract stuff, and no idea why that couldn't have just been done with Ardor by itself.

I like the tech details of the project, but I really hate their communications. You'd think they'd just hire a marketing director or something. Or some random guy to at least update the forum here.
All trouble in POS/algorithm creators got the Majority of coins right at the beginning. At the same time, they got profit on two ARDR/IGNIS/Why to be engaged in it marketing? They and their grandsons can have a rest all life in the resort.
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But generally speaking, I think the coin has not a problem related to missing features, but more of a communication problem. This thread, for example, is practically deserted, the Ardor forum has low activity, and there is confusion between the NXT and ARDOR brands (while Ardor isn't a particularly bad name, I would have preferred it to be called simply "NXT 2.0" as originally intended, but they cited intellectual property problems because of other NXT-named brands). And many ask themselves what the IGNIS token is meant for - the answer is actually that its utility depends also on the pruning feature as it would enable a lightweight payment sub-chain.

That's what it really boils down to. I have never seen a coin so focused on laying the groundwork (coding/conferences and so on) yet ignore proper marketing so badly. It's like they do the reverse of most other projects... there are some coins w/ much higher valuations, without even really working products, but tons of hype. Ardor is like the anti-hype coin, doing the background stuff, but kind of forgetting to tell anyone it exists. Beats me why they ignore this forum so much either, it takes minimal effort to announce news here.

And they should have retired NXT 1.0, I see no point to their team putting resources on it still ... and as you say, NXT/IGNIS/ARDOR just confuses people. I still have no clue what Ignis is really used for besides the lightweight contract stuff, and no idea why that couldn't have just been done with Ardor by itself.

I like the tech details of the project, but I really hate their communications. You'd think they'd just hire a marketing director or something. Or some random guy to at least update the forum here.
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