Are successful gamblers seen as addicts? - page 45.

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Quote from: Blitzboy on July 16, 2023, 09:18:15 AM

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Betting was never meant to be a means of generating income. Whether you call it a system or a game, the house will always win. If it were simple to turn a profit, wouldn't everyone already be a multimillionaire? That is not the how it operates, though. It's a fairytale sold by the casinos and shown in Hollywood that you can win big at the slots. Try not to believe it. The ostentatiousness is only a show. It's a machine underneath, designed to make money off of our aspirations. Those are some pretty sage comments there, mate. In other words, let's not get our hopes up too high. Because, let's face it, nobody enjoys the bitter aftertaste of disillusionment.

Spot on.

It's all really a show, entertainment. Luxury stuff, free drinks, laughs everywhere, the life of a high roller.

In the end, the casinos are the ones making the big bucks, and they bring people in with this idea.

It's similar to how the alcohol commercials are usually people having fun together at a nice location, while the reality is that they get the money from a guy sipping his vodka alone at home, depressed.

As long as you can gamble responsible, you should be able to enjoy it.

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Quote from: Obari on July 08, 2023, 03:44:50 PM

I wish I could have posted this in a more better place but since the thoughts came from gambling addiction, I thought it wise to ask this question over here and I hope we can discuss and get this straight.

Just as the tittle already ask, I really want to know if people who are successful in gambling also seen as addicts because I believe for one to be successful in gambling or whatever they choose to do, there must be some good amount of time and effort invested in it as well as money and we know that a successful gambler must have invested both time, effort and even money to make any reasonable winning and these also are features of an addict as there are always excessive time spent on a betting site.

Now let's be sincere, will you also classify a successful gambler as an addict?

I would suggest that people who are successful gamblers, over a long and consistent time period, have mastered a trade that is akin to having a profitable career. People who have made a profit on their betting in a day or in a week might be fluke, however those who make money over a year or a decade have usually found an edge - generally over other players instead of the house. It's very rare you'll find anyone outside of skill based games like poker who are able to do these things and I'm not sure it's fair to call them addicts if they are simply hyper successful after mastering a game. Either way, if they're making bank I don't think they care what label you give them

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Quote from: Sterbens on July 16, 2023, 05:40:37 AM

Quote from: Juse14 on July 14, 2023, 05:32:21 PM

I personally think that even successful gamblers are gambling addicts.

I say that because these successful gamblers cannot leave gambling and it needs to be underlined that what are called addicts are those who have an addiction and cannot leave it. The only difference is that ordinary addicts only play to chase victory regardless of losses and strategies, they only follow their passions which ultimately make them miserable.
Meanwhile, these successful gamblers are able to control their addiction to gambling, are able to control themselves and their emotions. They realized that they couldn't give up gambling, so these successful gamblers kept thinking about strategies for winning. They always do the calculations before playing gambling so they can minimize the occurrence of risks.

Yes, they are successful in self-control, not successful in gambling. I initially misunderstood what you were saying, but as I understand it more I get the point. No, what I meant when I misunderstood was when you said successful gamblers, because for me there are no successful gamblers, except those who become bookies for example.
But you added an explanation where I finally understood what you were saying about successful gamblers.
You are right, when someone realizes that it will be difficult for them to get away from gambling, then they should be able to minimize the risk.

I'm grateful because you understand what I mean and I thank you for clarifying what I mean in the post.

In essence, when we are unable to leave the activity (gambling). So immediately think about how you can control your gambling activities. Don't get too carried away with gambling and deepen the losses caused by gambling activities.

And I hope that those of you who have already entered the world of gambling can immediately realize this and be able to immediately control your gambling activities.

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Quote from: Blitzboy on July 16, 2023, 09:18:15 AM

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Quote from: Negotiation on July 15, 2023, 05:34:30 AM

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Honestly, I didn't think and never thought that there were really people who were successful at gambling. If they are gamblers then I don't think they will stand a chance of being successful in it. Gambling was created only as a place to have fun when someone is feeling something that makes them feel stressed or bored. If someone succeeds in getting success in gambling then in my opinion that person is a bookie in gambling itself, the logic is how can you be successful if you only rely on luck because you will only win if luck comes. So I think stop assuming that someone can get success in gambling, because that will only torture someone psychologically when gambling. Indirectly, this statement will pressure a person's personality when they are gambling so that they always expect a win without them realizing that they have experienced so many losses.

Betting was never meant to be a means of generating income. Whether you call it a system or a game, the house will always win. If it were simple to turn a profit, wouldn't everyone already be a multimillionaire? That is not the how it operates, though. It's a fairytale sold by the casinos and shown in Hollywood that you can win big at the slots. Try not to believe it. The ostentatiousness is only a show. It's a machine underneath, designed to make money off of our aspirations. Those are some pretty sage comments there, mate. In other words, let's not get our hopes up too high. Because, let's face it, nobody enjoys the bitter aftertaste of disillusionment.

Very well articulated comment friend, and I buy in to all you have said, we can not dispute the fact that many gamblers, most especially those that are still pretty new to the gambling industry, are brainwashed to believe that its that easy to become a millionaire through gambling from nothing, though it's not to say that it's absolutely not possible, it happens, yeah, It does, but it's on rare occasions and involves a very rare kind of luck..

The sooner we get our minds off such happening to us in our lifetime, the happier we will be even as gamblers, high expectations in gambling can lead to over betting/gambling, depression and disappointments, when after trying so hard, it still does not seem like our expectations will ever be fulfilled.

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Quote from: Fesatmas on July 15, 2023, 08:15:25 AM

Quote from: Negotiation on July 15, 2023, 05:34:30 AM

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Honestly, I didn't think and never thought that there were really people who were successful at gambling. If they are gamblers then I don't think they will stand a chance of being successful in it. Gambling was created only as a place to have fun when someone is feeling something that makes them feel stressed or bored. If someone succeeds in getting success in gambling then in my opinion that person is a bookie in gambling itself, the logic is how can you be successful if you only rely on luck because you will only win if luck comes. So I think stop assuming that someone can get success in gambling, because that will only torture someone psychologically when gambling. Indirectly, this statement will pressure a person's personality when they are gambling so that they always expect a win without them realizing that they have experienced so many losses.

Betting was never meant to be a means of generating income. Whether you call it a system or a game, the house will always win. If it were simple to turn a profit, wouldn't everyone already be a multimillionaire? That is not the how it operates, though. It's a fairytale sold by the casinos and shown in Hollywood that you can win big at the slots. Try not to believe it. The ostentatiousness is only a show. It's a machine underneath, designed to make money off of our aspirations. Those are some pretty sage comments there, mate. In other words, let's not get our hopes up too high. Because, let's face it, nobody enjoys the bitter aftertaste of disillusionment.

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Quote from: Sakanwa on July 16, 2023, 07:09:46 AM

I totally disagree with this one,a successful gambler is successful because he loves what he is doing,he has passion for what he is doing,therefore,be goes extra mile in achieving success.There is no successfull business man who doesn't love what he is doing and becomes successful,and in other to be successful in one thing,you must love that thing to the extent that you will become addicted to it,so being successful requires loving something and getting addicted to that thing as well,and in the cause of the addiction,they gain experience in the field after too much loosing,and also know the way in which they can go about it without losing much.When they've known this,it is when success comes in,they start winning big,and turning into experts.

I haven't seen any gambler being called a successful gambler unless it is a pro gambler. That does not mean every pro gambler is successful as only a handful have made big in gambling. The love for gambling is directly proportional to addiction to gambling. There is nothing like love it is always addiction to make big out of gambling. That often results in big losses and the urge to get back the money lost. What I said to you is true in most cases and one lucky would have made it big and then losing again all of it. Those are the simple traits of a gambling addict.

Perhaps, there is no known successful gambler that I've ever known. Some beat the casino through cheating but when it comes to the usual thing we do and religiously gamble, none have shown success. In gambling, we might win today and in this hour because we are too lucky but we can possibly lose after that. Which is my gambling too much won't give us money but losses. If we got into gambling, we must be aware that we possibly lose more rather than win more. And much more if we got addicted to it as the more lose control of our gambling habits.

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Quote from: Sakanwa on July 16, 2023, 07:09:46 AM

I totally disagree with this one,a successful gambler is successful because he loves what he is doing,he has passion for what he is doing,therefore,be goes extra mile in achieving success.There is no successfull business man who doesn't love what he is doing and becomes successful,and in other to be successful in one thing,you must love that thing to the extent that you will become addicted to it,so being successful requires loving something and getting addicted to that thing as well,and in the cause of the addiction,they gain experience in the field after too much loosing,and also know the way in which they can go about it without losing much.When they've known this,it is when success comes in,they start winning big,and turning into experts.

I haven't seen any gambler being called a successful gambler unless it is a pro gambler. That does not mean every pro gambler is successful as only a handful have made big in gambling. The love for gambling is directly proportional to addiction to gambling. There is nothing like love it is always addiction to make big out of gambling. That often results in big losses and the urge to get back the money lost. What I said to you is true in most cases and one lucky would have made it big and then losing again all of it. Those are the simple traits of a gambling addict.

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Quote from: Negotiation on July 15, 2023, 05:34:30 AM

Quote from: FinneysTrueVision on July 13, 2023, 09:57:07 PM

Someone who is successful at gambling would have to be incredibly smart. I would think that a successful gambler is less likely to have addiction issues. Addicts are motivated purely by greed and emotion and will ignore all logic. To be a successful gambler you need to think rationally. If you become so obsessed with winning more and more money that it leads to an unhealthy addiction then it will be difficult to remain successful.

The addiction thing is so bad I also agree that successful gamblers are not seen as addicts. Their knowledge and skills are high, greed does not touch them that's why they are successful. A successful gambler needs a lot of hard work and dedication also the first rule of online gambling here is low expectations. No, it is not to say that successful gamblers are not guaranteed to win instead they don't always expect to win no matter how small so gamble for fun and avoid any pressure to win.

I totally disagree with this one,a successful gambler is successful because he loves what he is doing,he has passion for what he is doing,therefore,be goes extra mile in achieving success.There is no successfull business man who doesn't love what he is doing and becomes successful,and in other to be successful in one thing,you must love that thing to the extent that you will become addicted to it,so being successful requires loving something and getting addicted to that thing as well,and in the cause of the addiction,they gain experience in the field after too much loosing,and also know the way in which they can go about it without losing much.When they've known this,it is when success comes in,they start winning big,and turning into experts.

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Quote from: Juse14 on July 14, 2023, 05:32:21 PM

I personally think that even successful gamblers are gambling addicts.

I say that because these successful gamblers cannot leave gambling and it needs to be underlined that what are called addicts are those who have an addiction and cannot leave it. The only difference is that ordinary addicts only play to chase victory regardless of losses and strategies, they only follow their passions which ultimately make them miserable.
Meanwhile, these successful gamblers are able to control their addiction to gambling, are able to control themselves and their emotions. They realized that they couldn't give up gambling, so these successful gamblers kept thinking about strategies for winning. They always do the calculations before playing gambling so they can minimize the occurrence of risks.

Yes, they are successful in self-control, not successful in gambling. I initially misunderstood what you were saying, but as I understand it more I get the point. No, what I meant when I misunderstood was when you said successful gamblers, because for me there are no successful gamblers, except those who become bookies for example.
But you added an explanation where I finally understood what you were saying about successful gamblers.
You are right, when someone realizes that it will be difficult for them to get away from gambling, then they should be able to minimize the risk.

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Quote from: Fesatmas on July 15, 2023, 08:15:25 AM

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Honestly, I didn't think and never thought that there were really people who were successful at gambling. If they are gamblers then I don't think they will stand a chance of being successful in it. Gambling was created only as a place to have fun when someone is feeling something that makes them feel stressed or bored. If someone succeeds in getting success in gambling then in my opinion that person is a bookie in gambling itself, the logic is how can you be successful if you only rely on luck because you will only win if luck comes. So I think stop assuming that someone can get success in gambling, because that will only torture someone psychologically when gambling. Indirectly, this statement will pressure a person's personality when they are gambling so that they always expect a win without them realizing that they have experienced so many losses.

There has been people who have won against the casinos, but it's rare and they are very lucky indeed.

For example, David Walsh, a professional gambler from Australia, made a lot of money in casinos and opened an art gallery, MONA.

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Quote from: Negotiation on July 15, 2023, 05:34:30 AM

Quote from: FinneysTrueVision on July 13, 2023, 09:57:07 PM

Someone who is successful at gambling would have to be incredibly smart. I would think that a successful gambler is less likely to have addiction issues. Addicts are motivated purely by greed and emotion and will ignore all logic. To be a successful gambler you need to think rationally. If you become so obsessed with winning more and more money that it leads to an unhealthy addiction then it will be difficult to remain successful.

The addiction thing is so bad I also agree that successful gamblers are not seen as addicts. Their knowledge and skills are high, greed does not touch them that's why they are successful. A successful gambler needs a lot of hard work and dedication also the first rule of online gambling here is low expectations. No, it is not to say that successful gamblers are not guaranteed to win instead they don't always expect to win no matter how small so gamble for fun and avoid any pressure to win.

A successful gambler is definitely different from other ordinary gamblers. Successful gamblers will have certain characteristics that are not seen in ordinary gamblers. I think that those who gamble with discipline and rules, those gamblers who can take risks normally, who are not desperate to recover lost money. Those who will constantly try to gain knowledge and try to learn how they can overcome the mistakes can be referred to as successful gamblers. But winning big does not mean success. Although everyone's goals are the same, those who manage gambling with these factors in mind can definitely be considered successful gamblers in the long run.

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Quote from: Negotiation on July 15, 2023, 05:34:30 AM

Quote from: FinneysTrueVision on July 13, 2023, 09:57:07 PM

Someone who is successful at gambling would have to be incredibly smart. I would think that a successful gambler is less likely to have addiction issues. Addicts are motivated purely by greed and emotion and will ignore all logic. To be a successful gambler you need to think rationally. If you become so obsessed with winning more and more money that it leads to an unhealthy addiction then it will be difficult to remain successful.

The addiction thing is so bad I also agree that successful gamblers are not seen as addicts. Their knowledge and skills are high, greed does not touch them that's why they are successful. A successful gambler needs a lot of hard work and dedication also the first rule of online gambling here is low expectations. No, it is not to say that successful gamblers are not guaranteed to win instead they don't always expect to win no matter how small so gamble for fun and avoid any pressure to win.

Honestly, I didn't think and never thought that there were really people who were successful at gambling. If they are gamblers then I don't think they will stand a chance of being successful in it. Gambling was created only as a place to have fun when someone is feeling something that makes them feel stressed or bored. If someone succeeds in getting success in gambling then in my opinion that person is a bookie in gambling itself, the logic is how can you be successful if you only rely on luck because you will only win if luck comes. So I think stop assuming that someone can get success in gambling, because that will only torture someone psychologically when gambling. Indirectly, this statement will pressure a person's personality when they are gambling so that they always expect a win without them realizing that they have experienced so many losses.

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Quote from: FinneysTrueVision on July 13, 2023, 09:57:07 PM

Someone who is successful at gambling would have to be incredibly smart. I would think that a successful gambler is less likely to have addiction issues. Addicts are motivated purely by greed and emotion and will ignore all logic. To be a successful gambler you need to think rationally. If you become so obsessed with winning more and more money that it leads to an unhealthy addiction then it will be difficult to remain successful.

The addiction thing is so bad I also agree that successful gamblers are not seen as addicts. Their knowledge and skills are high, greed does not touch them that's why they are successful. A successful gambler needs a lot of hard work and dedication also the first rule of online gambling here is low expectations. No, it is not to say that successful gamblers are not guaranteed to win instead they don't always expect to win no matter how small so gamble for fun and avoid any pressure to win.

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Quote from: Raflesia on July 14, 2023, 04:36:43 PM

We know what our boundaries are like and even though we sometimes cross those boundaries but in this case it depends on the person doing it because for me personally I don't deny that I sometimes cross my limits but in this case I don't always feel it happens so often because I realize if it is as frequent as it is we ourselves will be in trouble.
But in this case, it's back to professional gamblers. Instead of being told like that because the fact is not, I might as well say I am an addict because it is said like that, I don't really have a problem for now because basically we ourselves are the ones who limit whether we are addicts or not in gambling as long as we don't cross those boundaries too often and always remember that we have a budget in a day or a week for gambling I think it will not be a problem. at least this is for myself.

That is if we are truly aware of the boundaries we make. But the truth is many of us still cross that line and instead decide to gamble and say that this is the last time we gamble and we won't be back for a few more days. I also often cross my limits in gambling, but that doesn't make me regret it too much; I just try to live it. But other days, I try to limit and not break it.

Meanwhile, professional gamblers can really control themselves well and that's different from us. Professional gamblers know how to control themselves to avoid crossing their limits. Maybe they have trained a lot so that they are already at a stage above us so they can be wiser with themselves.

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I personally think that even successful gamblers are gambling addicts.

I say that because these successful gamblers cannot leave gambling and it needs to be underlined that what are called addicts are those who have an addiction and cannot leave it. The only difference is that ordinary addicts only play to chase victory regardless of losses and strategies, they only follow their passions which ultimately make them miserable.
Meanwhile, these successful gamblers are able to control their addiction to gambling, are able to control themselves and their emotions. They realized that they couldn't give up gambling, so these successful gamblers kept thinking about strategies for winning. They always do the calculations before playing gambling so they can minimize the occurrence of risks.

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Quote from: inthelongrun on July 14, 2023, 02:55:32 PM

Is an excessive gambler already an addict? But successful gamblers can be termed as professional gamblers rather than branded as addicts. Are we going to call Lionel Messi an addict or a successful e-sport DOTA 2 player worth millions of dollars a computer addict? There are a lot of people here in Bitcointalk that spend a lot of hours daily, they're addicts as well right? So it's like all people that excelled in their fields are addicts.

So addiction is not really bad after all. As long as we are benefitting it in a positive manner and we are able to balance our lives then I guess we're good.

Relativity is used in your example, we can't surely know what it looks like to be a successful gambler since it is not a concrete profession. It only takes one bad day to lose all profit back and then we start to call gamblers not unsuccessful but loser addicts. Gamblers should understand the risks and make decisions based on the odds and probability, I doubt being experienced have any role in such cases. Just my 2 cents.

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Quote from: Raflesia on July 13, 2023, 03:42:01 PM

However, in this context, none of my intentions are such that I still want whatever I want to do with my gambling without any hindrance or some degree of discipline being exercised in it Cheesy

I still like the fun of gambling and don't want to be restricted to anything especially in the rules and high level of discipline to be professional so in this case I prefer to be normal without any pressure so that I can enjoy all forms of gambling that I do.

Returning to the original context of addiction will be different again in my view for professional gambling because indirectly when referring to the word professional it means referring to work and it cannot be said to be an addiction in this case.

But if you don't limit your gambling, there is a possibility that you will exceed the limit that you can afford so you will use money beyond that limit. This is really risky because it can make you lose a lot of money, especially by not having clear boundaries in gambling. By setting those limits, you can still enjoy the gamble and you may still have a few dollars saved that you can use to gamble a few days later. It can also prevent you from gambling addiction which many people have experienced so you can play gambling without worrying about gambling addiction.

We know what our boundaries are like and even though we sometimes cross those boundaries but in this case it depends on the person doing it because for me personally I don't deny that I sometimes cross my limits but in this case I don't always feel it happens so often because I realize if it is as frequent as it is we ourselves will be in trouble.
But in this case, it's back to professional gamblers. Instead of being told like that because the fact is not, I might as well say I am an addict because it is said like that, I don't really have a problem for now because basically we ourselves are the ones who limit whether we are addicts or not in gambling as long as we don't cross those boundaries too often and always remember that we have a budget in a day or a week for gambling I think it will not be a problem. at least this is for myself.

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Is an excessive gambler already an addict? But successful gamblers can be termed as professional gamblers rather than branded as addicts. Are we going to call Lionel Messi an addict or a successful e-sport DOTA 2 player worth millions of dollars a computer addict? There are a lot of people here in Bitcointalk that spend a lot of hours daily, they're addicts as well right? So it's like all people that excelled in their fields are addicts.

So addiction is not really bad after all. As long as we are benefitting it in a positive manner and we are able to balance our lives then I guess we're good.

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Quote from: FinneysTrueVision on July 13, 2023, 09:57:07 PM

Someone who is successful at gambling would have to be incredibly smart. I would think that a successful gambler is less likely to have addiction issues. Addicts are motivated purely by greed and emotion and will ignore all logic. To be a successful gambler you need to think rationally. If you become so obsessed with winning more and more money that it leads to an unhealthy addiction then it will be difficult to remain successful.

I don't think being smart or having a high intelligence has anything to do with being successful at gambling, in my opinion. It does not take intelligence (perhaps a bit of emotional intelligence) in order to get a positive amount of money out a casino.

There is a feature in many casinos which is called automated gambling, you know, so one can roll dices, plinko, mines automatically. I just set it up and leave, when I return I could have either lost most of my money or have reached the amount I set before leaving. In both cases it is the luck what matters and not who is pushing the button on the computer.

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Quote from: Docnaster on July 13, 2023, 06:09:39 AM

It's one thing to be a successful gambler and also an entire different thing to be an addict of gambling.
Reason being that I've seen people who rarely gamble but does win hugely the few times they do stake their money and have also seen people who does act like they know it all when it comes to gambling thereby gambling regularly but would still get little or no winnings at the end. So I think gambling is all about how lucky ones be and not about how experienced one is

I agree with you, a successful gambler does not mean he is an addict, after all an addict has a bad connotation, and there are no successful addicts to this day, the average of whom is experiencing severe financial hardship.
So these two things are something different.
Maybe it can be seen subjectively in the assessment of successful gamblers, as you said, a successful gambler is a gambler who gets a lot of wins but only with a few games, in other words he has above average skills who can get wins with a winning ratio which is big, but in my view a successful gambler is a gambler who can play regularly or has limits in his gambling, which keeps him from falling into the lust of gambling.

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