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I won't shy from the fact that there are people who are living on gambling, those people can't tell me they are not addicts, yet they are making their money from it. It's rare to see a successful gambler but there are some consistent winners. In my country, there are some that would suit up in the morning, while others would be in their casual wear and will only be back from the gambling house in the evening. This is what some will ever do, while some of them did it until they could gather money to start a business and still continue with their gambling.

These are examples of gambling addicts, but it's positive for them. The truth is that addiction is not always bad, it's only bad when it's becoming negative to your life.
I guess that's basically based on sports betting or poker type of games where you mostly gamble against other people. Because when we are talking about regular betting, it is not going to be acceptable level and we are not going to see any big changes neither.

I believe that we are going to end up seeing it change a bit and we are going to end up with these people making profit so they are considered profitable addicts. They are still addicts I agree to that, but since they are making a profit out of it most of the time, they do not have a valid reason to quit neither, and that should always be considered as the most important part for them. I know that it is a risky subject and a lot of people try to avoid it as much as they can, but I believe it's fine.
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Winding down.
But those who become successful gamblers are not addicted to gambling because success means they can have more abilities than most gamblers.
yes, those who are successful should have better skills than others. but I believe they also spend more time and also more bets in the casino to play.
this process may show that gamblers will become addicted or that they will become well-controlled gamblers. Good gamblers know when they should place a bet and when they should leave the game.

There is a fine line that separates these professional gamblers and just an addicted gambler, some will say of course that these professional gamblers doesn't have much difference compared to the addicts because they too are giving too much time and focus towards gambling but in the long run, we can really see what is the difference because addicted gamblers fail to weigh the things more clearly while professional gamblers do know what they are doing as that is why they are called like that in the first place.
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If they invested time and effort here, most probably this is their profession already.
I mean they take gambling seriously and not just gamble for entertainment. There are gamblers who are treating gambling like their daily job and some are earning a lot and that’s the time we can call you a successful gambler if you are able to control your finances and keep on winning in gambling.
successful gamblers not gamble with panic they always control themself and gamble with patients. And that's why they win most of the time in gambling without losing. this is the best strategy to not panic gamble and be patient to take advantage of occasional opportunities and earn high profits. And always gambling with a limit budget it will reduce the chances of big losing. And unless the loss is big, a gambler can easily control himself without panicking. So it is better to adopt this strategy
Controlling patience while gambling is a very difficult thing which not everyone can do. But I think if someone starts gambling with panic during gambling then he will never win in gambling. There are some strategies while gambling which can be used to win.  It may be different if someone starts gambling in a new state. I think gambling is a fun game but not everyone likes it because there is a deadly addiction in gambling which can lead to destruction.

I believe that panic is something that is contrary not only to gambling, but also to trading and many other things that involve money management. I have met people in my life who in the moment of panic completely lose control over themselves and it plays against them. I believe that if a person is prone to panic, it is better not to do things where he needs to control money, because the first panic will lead to wrong actions, which in turn will lead to loss of money.
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If they invested time and effort here, most probably this is their profession already.
I mean they take gambling seriously and not just gamble for entertainment. There are gamblers who are treating gambling like their daily job and some are earning a lot and that’s the time we can call you a successful gambler if you are able to control your finances and keep on winning in gambling.
successful gamblers not gamble with panic they always control themself and gamble with patients. And that's why they win most of the time in gambling without losing. this is the best strategy to not panic gamble and be patient to take advantage of occasional opportunities and earn high profits. And always gambling with a limit budget it will reduce the chances of big losing. And unless the loss is big, a gambler can easily control himself without panicking. So it is better to adopt this strategy
There is a very big difference between being a successful gambler and being a gambling addict. Someone can be addicted to gambling and yet they are not successful, they keep losing their money to the extent that they sell their properties in order to continue gambling. In the other hand, a successful gambler may not be winning every day, but they have a very workable strategy that makes their winning higher than their losses. But then it is not easy to see a gambling addict who is a successful gambler.
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I do not think that successful gamblers can be classified as gambler addicts. A successful gambler won't play excessive gambling. He won't take more than the predefined risk and won't chase losses.

A gambling addict is a person who has all these habits of gambling with emotions and having no money management. So such a gambler who is addicted to gambling can never be a successful one but I would say they are the unsuccessful gamblers who lose more money than winning.

The only difference between a successful gambler and an unsuccessful gambler is basically luck.
It is true that the difference between successful and unsuccessful gamblers is luck. But generally we mean successful gamblers who are experienced in gambling and those who win more are basically successful gamblers. Many people only try to identify successful gamblers with high winnings. But the main thing is that those who manage gambling with experience and get more winnings can be successful gamblers. Even I cannot call them addicted. Because they enjoy gambling with their intellectual power. If the gambler does not show any abnormal behavior then he cannot be called addicted. Those who win consistently have no chance of being called addicted gamblers.
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If they invested time and effort here, most probably this is their profession already.
I mean they take gambling seriously and not just gamble for entertainment. There are gamblers who are treating gambling like their daily job and some are earning a lot and that’s the time we can call you a successful gambler if you are able to control your finances and keep on winning in gambling.
successful gamblers not gamble with panic they always control themself and gamble with patients. And that's why they win most of the time in gambling without losing. this is the best strategy to not panic gamble and be patient to take advantage of occasional opportunities and earn high profits. And always gambling with a limit budget it will reduce the chances of big losing. And unless the loss is big, a gambler can easily control himself without panicking. So it is better to adopt this strategy
Controlling patience while gambling is a very difficult thing which not everyone can do. But I think if someone starts gambling with panic during gambling then he will never win in gambling. There are some strategies while gambling which can be used to win.  It may be different if someone starts gambling in a new state. I think gambling is a fun game but not everyone likes it because there is a deadly addiction in gambling which can lead to destruction.
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If they invested time and effort here, most probably this is their profession already.
I mean they take gambling seriously and not just gamble for entertainment. There are gamblers who are treating gambling like their daily job and some are earning a lot and that’s the time we can call you a successful gambler if you are able to control your finances and keep on winning in gambling.
successful gamblers not gamble with panic they always control themself and gamble with patients. And that's why they win most of the time in gambling without losing. this is the best strategy to not panic gamble and be patient to take advantage of occasional opportunities and earn high profits. And always gambling with a limit budget it will reduce the chances of big losing. And unless the loss is big, a gambler can easily control himself without panicking. So it is better to adopt this strategy
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That's right, I was confused before about what this discussion is about, which makes it have many perspectives that are very biased with the meaning of success itself, if you think that gambling behavior and success cannot get a correlation that makes sense in the context of business, the question is quite ambiguous.

I really question too that success in this case, because I also have never found anyone who is successful from gambling, even though he can get big wins for example, but he will play it back to gambling, with the meaning of his success to earn income from gambling inconsistent Meanwhile, if we compare it to other professions, even though it is quite difficult, such as traders, they can consistently make profits and we can see that their financial stability is going well.
Well that's right, the word success in gambling I think is nonsense. The principle in gambling is to prioritize luck and how can someone who gets lucky in gambling be said to be a successful person. Someone who manages to win at gambling means that luck is on their side and it is only temporary. My question is, is there a gambler who supports his family from his success in gambling, of course not. Because gambling is an action that is done for entertainment only and as a prize if they are lucky then they will get a win. Well, on the other hand, maybe some of them think that when they succeed in achieving something in gambling, such as winning, it is a success. But basically, we still can't categorize a win as success, because this is a gamble, as you said, there is no consistent word in it, and that means that all wins in gambling are just luck.
Yes, maybe you can mean that success is when he really gets a big win, that can be assumed in the context of gambling, but maybe success in this context cannot be compared to success in the economic world in general.
I don't know if this feels ambiguous and we don't know where the context that the OP is actually pointing is going.

I think it depends on how you look at it or interpret the word addict because it's almost undeniable that there are even some positive things even after labeled as an addict. But in most situations, addicts are synonymous with crackheads or someone who does things excessively because they already lost total control over themselves, cannot think clearly and the ability to weigh things correctly as well is already lost.
Addiction is a terrible thing, and we should avoid it by all means. Addicts are willing to go to any length to gamble on games, even if it means selling their valuables in order to obtain money to place wagers. Furthermore, an addicted gambler will not be profitable since he has no objectives, no risk management, and zero principles, only wagering without an alternative strategy. Although they are financial gamblers, successful gamblers cannot be regarded as addicted. They forecast games and provide profitable outcomes. It is imperative that we understand how to categorize these sets.
But saying that what is a "successful gambler" we really don't understand it properly, and this widens without direction, whether it's an addict or not, but related to gambling, it will be very difficult for us to categorize what a successful gambler looks like, anyway in terms of success as conveyed by Joddy, there are many offenses about this, even people who are said to be legendary gamblers in terms of predicting their accuracy are still in doubt.
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I think it depends on how you look at it or interpret the word addict because it's almost undeniable that there are even some positive things even after labeled as an addict. But in most situations, addicts are synonymous with crackheads or someone who does things excessively because they already lost total control over themselves, cannot think clearly and the ability to weigh things correctly as well is already lost.
Addiction is a terrible thing, and we should avoid it by all means. Addicts are willing to go to any length to gamble on games, even if it means selling their valuables in order to obtain money to place wagers. Furthermore, an addicted gambler will not be profitable since he has no objectives, no risk management, and zero principles, only wagering without an alternative strategy. Although they are financial gamblers, successful gamblers cannot be regarded as addicted. They forecast games and provide profitable outcomes. It is imperative that we understand how to categorize these sets.
And what is important is that successful gamblers can manage their time to gamble and not experience addiction like other gamblers. Successful gamblers can also be wise when they may have been gambling for a long time and need to stop immediately so they can decide to stop gambling. But that won't happen to gambling addicts, who just want to continue gambling and don't know when to stop. And as long as he still has a balance in his gambling account, he can just keep playing unless he immediately spends his money on gambling. But it will never be easy to become a successful gambler because it has to do with all kinds of things needed to become a successful gambler, such as good self-control, managing money and time to gamble, and staying calm in all situations.
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Usually, we see gambling addicts as a failure but with a definition of a successful addict, it doesn't sound like a complete failure at all. A gambler who found his craft or someone who has found what he is good at is not a failure. As long as he can make money out of it, I guess he can live off it and be proud of it.

I wonder if there really is a successful gambling addict though because usually, they are not just addicted to gambling but also to alcohol and drugs.

We associated addict with failure and that's because negative energy has more harm to do than positive. We have successful people's that are addicted to what they do and sleeps in the office everyday. We can have a successful gambler that's an addict and yet he'll still be winning.

There's always an odds one among and that's why we use majority because majority of addicts are failures but there's a slight chance we'll find a successful person among the addicts. There are people that have been able to channel their addiction energy from negative to positive.

Addiction has its symptoms and if a successful gambler is  always over gambling and exceeding his limits he's addicted and needs help before he destroy the whole net worth he has some day because of a decision he'll make that will be influenced by his addiction problem.
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I think it depends on how you look at it or interpret the word addict because it's almost undeniable that there are even some positive things even after labeled as an addict. But in most situations, addicts are synonymous with crackheads or someone who does things excessively because they already lost total control over themselves, cannot think clearly and the ability to weigh things correctly as well is already lost.
Addiction is a terrible thing, and we should avoid it by all means. Addicts are willing to go to any length to gamble on games, even if it means selling their valuables in order to obtain money to place wagers. Furthermore, an addicted gambler will not be profitable since he has no objectives, no risk management, and zero principles, only wagering without an alternative strategy. Although they are financial gamblers, successful gamblers cannot be regarded as addicted. They forecast games and provide profitable outcomes. It is imperative that we understand how to categorize these sets.
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That's right, I was confused before about what this discussion is about, which makes it have many perspectives that are very biased with the meaning of success itself, if you think that gambling behavior and success cannot get a correlation that makes sense in the context of business, the question is quite ambiguous.

I really question too that success in this case, because I also have never found anyone who is successful from gambling, even though he can get big wins for example, but he will play it back to gambling, with the meaning of his success to earn income from gambling inconsistent Meanwhile, if we compare it to other professions, even though it is quite difficult, such as traders, they can consistently make profits and we can see that their financial stability is going well.
Well that's right, the word success in gambling I think is nonsense. The principle in gambling is to prioritize luck and how can someone who gets lucky in gambling be said to be a successful person. Someone who manages to win at gambling means that luck is on their side and it is only temporary. My question is, is there a gambler who supports his family from his success in gambling, of course not. Because gambling is an action that is done for entertainment only and as a prize if they are lucky then they will get a win. Well, on the other hand, maybe some of them think that when they succeed in achieving something in gambling, such as winning, it is a success. But basically, we still can't categorize a win as success, because this is a gamble, as you said, there is no consistent word in it, and that means that all wins in gambling are just luck.
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Before we get into this discussion, we have to sort out the definition of success.
Well I have a question to the OP, give us a little idea of ​​what a successful gambler looks like. whether he is a professional gambler, or a gambler who always wins every bet. for me this is a little biased, because the key to the word "success" is that someone achieves something with what he does. whether it's a successful businessman, a successful crypto trader, and so on. so I'm a little confused by what OP said in this thread, even a little contradictory to gambling, because the most common risk in gambling is losing.

But if the OP changes the question, can professional gamblers be seen as addicts. it seems, the title of this thread is more ideal for me. because, referring to what the OP said, a professional gambler doesn't just invest money. they also invest time, energy, and even devote all the knowledge they have and are equipped with broad insights. then, are they potentially addicted. maybe, because all things do not rule out the possibility. but at least, they are experts when it comes to gambling.
That's right, I was confused before about what this discussion is about, which makes it have many perspectives that are very biased with the meaning of success itself, if you think that gambling behavior and success cannot get a correlation that makes sense in the context of business, the question is quite ambiguous.

I really question too that success in this case, because I also have never found anyone who is successful from gambling, even though he can get big wins for example, but he will play it back to gambling, with the meaning of his success to earn income from gambling inconsistent Meanwhile, if we compare it to other professions, even though it is quite difficult, such as traders, they can consistently make profits and we can see that their financial stability is going well.
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I do not think that successful gamblers can be classified as gambler addicts. A successful gambler won't play excessive gambling. He won't take more than the predefined risk and won't chase losses.

A gambling addict is a person who has all these habits of gambling with emotions and having no money management. So such a gambler who is addicted to gambling can never be a successful one but I would say they are the unsuccessful gamblers who lose more money than winning.

The only difference between a successful gambler and an unsuccessful gambler is basically luck.

The vast majority of people will end up losing money in the casino or similar games. That's by design.

From time to time, someone that is skilled at a game, maximizing their chances to win (still at lower odds compared to the casino) might end up winning. And in that rare case casinos will be quick to give free drinks and food to keep them playing so that they give that money back eventually.
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Usually, we see gambling addicts as a failure but with a definition of a successful addict, it doesn't sound like a complete failure at all. A gambler who found his craft or someone who has found what he is good at is not a failure. As long as he can make money out of it, I guess he can live off it and be proud of it.

I wonder if there really is a successful gambling addict though because usually, they are not just addicted to gambling but also to alcohol and drugs.



I do not think that successful gamblers can be classified as gambler addicts. A successful gambler won't play excessive gambling. He won't take more than the predefined risk and won't chase losses.

A gambling addict is a person who has all these habits of gambling with emotions and having no money management. So such a gambler who is addicted to gambling can never be a successful one but I would say they are the unsuccessful gamblers who lose more money than winning.
I would be that confident that professional gamblers or successful ones did really come into a point on which they had become addicted with gambling in some point on their career but they had able to overcome it

for sure and now they do able to know on what are the things must avoided and what things should be engaged. We cant really be able to tell on what are the things that they had experienced or going through before they would be able to reach out that particular state. We know that being successful with gambling is never been that simple but we cant really deny that they do become ones addicted with gambling
but was able to overcome that thing and now they had become able to achieve on being successful then we can say that they had already solved out that addiction.
We cant really call them addicted if they do able to make out be profitable in gambling.
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Before we get into this discussion, we have to sort out the definition of success.
Well I have a question to the OP, give us a little idea of ​​what a successful gambler looks like. whether he is a professional gambler, or a gambler who always wins every bet. for me this is a little biased, because the key to the word "success" is that someone achieves something with what he does. whether it's a successful businessman, a successful crypto trader, and so on. so I'm a little confused by what OP said in this thread, even a little contradictory to gambling, because the most common risk in gambling is losing.

But if the OP changes the question, can professional gamblers be seen as addicts. it seems, the title of this thread is more ideal for me. because, referring to what the OP said, a professional gambler doesn't just invest money. they also invest time, energy, and even devote all the knowledge they have and are equipped with broad insights. then, are they potentially addicted. maybe, because all things do not rule out the possibility. but at least, they are experts when it comes to gambling.
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Usually, we see gambling addicts as a failure but with a definition of a successful addict, it doesn't sound like a complete failure at all. A gambler who found his craft or someone who has found what he is good at is not a failure. As long as he can make money out of it, I guess he can live off it and be proud of it.

I wonder if there really is a successful gambling addict though because usually, they are not just addicted to gambling but also to alcohol and drugs.



I do not think that successful gamblers can be classified as gambler addicts. A successful gambler won't play excessive gambling. He won't take more than the predefined risk and won't chase losses.

A gambling addict is a person who has all these habits of gambling with emotions and having no money management. So such a gambler who is addicted to gambling can never be a successful one but I would say they are the unsuccessful gamblers who lose more money than winning.
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Usually, we see gambling addicts as a failure but with a definition of a successful addict, it doesn't sound like a complete failure at all. A gambler who found his craft or someone who has found what he is good at is not a failure. As long as he can make money out of it, I guess he can live off it and be proud of it.

I wonder if there really is a successful gambling addict though because usually, they are not just addicted to gambling but also to alcohol and drugs.
The question is, when a gambler is successful, are they seen as gambling addicts? What you said does not answer the question, we of course see gambling addicts as failures because they are failures as they can't manage their finances and gambling activities in a good way to get any success if they are capable of it, but when someone is a successful gambler, can we call them an addict as well? That would actually depend on how he is doing overall.

I wouldn't call someone a gambling addict if they are managing things in a very good way because an addict can't do that, you cannot be a successful gambler if you can't control your emotions and the urge to gamble more every time you lose, that's not how a successful gambler would react.
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But those who become successful gamblers are not addicted to gambling because success means they can have more abilities than most gamblers.
yes, those who are successful should have better skills than others. but I believe they also spend more time and also more bets in the casino to play.
this process may show that gamblers will become addicted or that they will become well-controlled gamblers. Good gamblers know when they should place a bet and when they should leave the game.
I think the percentage is only 0.001% of 100% of gamblers in the world who have succeeded in becoming successful gamblers, it is not easy to become a successful gambler let alone beat the bookie, that sounds strange and also unconvincing, I have never even believed that there are successful gamblers in this world who are truly successful because of gambling, but if you see a streamer who has won big money it is not a successful gambler but a gambler who has been sponsored by the gambling platform as a marketing move.

I think we all know that even an addict who may have spent a lot of time and money on gambling, whether it's a casino or sports betting, is unlikely to make him a great and experienced person, let alone have certain skills, instead what exists makes his life even more complicated with his addiction. Personally, I still really don't believe there are people out there who are truly successful from gambling.
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Successful gamblers invest their time in analyzing and selecting data, continually repeating this process as they place their bets. For them, gambling has transformed into a hobby and a means to earn income, becoming an integral part of their lives without or with minor effects of health concerns.

It's necessary to address who's a successful gambler before this whole discussion. Is it someone who wins huge money with a little stake? Someone who gambles rarely but secures wins when they do. Or Someone who is a regular gambler and regular winner? Since it's not possible to gamble without experiencing loss I will not include that in the option. The reason I want to be clarified on who is a successful gambler is because I have witnessed these three sets of gamblers and I don't know which among them is a successful gambler.

I had an encounter with someone who has never gambled in his entire life before and his first trial which is also the last till this moment was a huge win. Should that be also considered a successful gambler? I guess not. He was not addicted and did not spend time analyzing the game but with random selection and it work for him. Perhaps this discussion will be perfect when we can identify who a successful gambler is.
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