Are the Nvidia 3000 Series the BEST GPUs for MINING EVER?! RTX 3070, 3080, 3090 - page 13.

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Quote from: badbart on September 22, 2020, 01:05:41 PM

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Quote from: Metroid on September 22, 2020, 12:39:28 PM

Quote from: badbart on September 22, 2020, 12:24:29 PM

If block rewards are cut that much mining is over.

Yeah, they have eips for both the fees and reduce block reward and if eth 2.0 iws released then half reward will be for pos users and half for miners, hybrid.

that is why miners who will survive the next culling need x2 hashrate to stay alive. 1080ti to 3080 is an example.

those who have low hashrate card but do not have physical space to add more cards and those who do not have electrical space to add more load will be the first to go.

if eth is no longer profitable to mine, the eth mining reliant cards (amd) will be on life support.

3080 cards (nvidia) that will do well on other algo will do better than others hehe

You need cheap power, once eth is done theirs so much GPU power no matter how much power you have your margins will be very thin.

yup. crypto mining is monetizing cheap power, plus gear management.

gear management involves "strategic upgrades" among others..

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Quote from: arielbit on September 22, 2020, 01:00:24 PM

Quote from: Metroid on September 22, 2020, 12:39:28 PM

Quote from: badbart on September 22, 2020, 12:24:29 PM

If block rewards are cut that much mining is over.

Yeah, they have eips for both the fees and reduce block reward and if eth 2.0 iws released then half reward will be for pos users and half for miners, hybrid.

that is why miners who will survive the next culling need x2 hashrate to stay alive. 1080ti to 3080 is an example.

those who have low hashrate card but do not have physical space to add more cards and those who do not have electrical space to add more load will be the first to go.

if eth is no longer profitable to mine, the eth mining reliant cards (amd) will be on life support.

3080 cards (nvidia) that will do well on other algo will do better than others hehe

You need cheap power, once eth is done theirs so much GPU power no matter how much power you have your margins will be very thin. I have 135 gpus started in late 2016, 90 of the gpus are almost 4 years old. Not sure what I'm going to do. The bright side of gpus is they maintain their resale value. Pretty amazing I can sell my 1070s for over $100 and I paid $340 for them over 3 years ago.

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Quote from: arielbit on September 22, 2020, 01:00:24 PM

that is why miners who will survive the next culling need x2 hashrate to stay alive. 1080ti to 3080 is an example.

those who have low hashrate card but do not have physical space to add more cards and those who do not have electrical space to add more load will be the first to go.

if eth is no longer profitable to mine, the eth mining reliant cards (amd) will be on life support.

3080 cards (nvidia) that will do well on other algo will do better than others hehe

Even if eth is around $1000, not sure if it will be enough to make up for, eth will have to be at least 1500 usd to be more or less profitable. Well on the positive side of things, 4gb gpus will be gone forever hehe but i dont think 4gb gpus comprise of 50% of total hashrate hehe, well there are 4gb asics that will die too and that is good.

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Quote from: Metroid on September 22, 2020, 12:39:28 PM

Quote from: badbart on September 22, 2020, 12:24:29 PM

If block rewards are cut that much mining is over.

Yeah, they have eips for both the fees and reduce block reward and if eth 2.0 iws released then half reward will be for pos users and half for miners, hybrid.

that is why miners who will survive the next culling need x2 hashrate to stay alive. 1080ti to 3080 is an example.

those who have low hashrate card but do not have physical space to add more cards and those who do not have electrical space to add more load will be the first to go.

if eth is no longer profitable to mine, the eth mining reliant cards (amd) will be on life support.

3080 cards (nvidia) that will do well on other algo will do better than others hehe

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Quote from: badbart on September 22, 2020, 12:24:29 PM

If block rewards are cut that much mining is over.

Yeah, they have eips for both the fees and reduce block reward and if eth 2.0 is released then half reward will be for pos users and half for miners, hybrid.

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Quote from: Metroid on September 22, 2020, 11:57:17 AM

Quote from: arielbit on September 22, 2020, 10:19:14 AM

at 133.33mhs x3 card rig will be 400mhs. comparable to x4 3080 rig, but much expensive. not worth the density vs x4 3080.

but if you think about it, it is still better purchase than "500mhs eth asic is 4689$ at 750w" hehe

I do prefer the 3080 cause the gddrx6 on the 3090 is the same memory slightly binned, everything is better than asics because in the end has resale value and can mine other algos. ETH will soon halve the fees and mining rewards per block and then the 0.75 cents of usd per gpu today with the rx 570 will become 0.15 cents of usd or less per day per gpu, gpus are so expensive to a point mining already lost 50% of its income, if it was before 2016 you could buy a rx 5700 nowadays for $180, no joking, that is how used to be, gpus like the 3080 would be $499 and 3070 around $300.

Quote from: hagbase on September 22, 2020, 10:27:12 AM

Just don't fry your VRAM, tests for custom RXT30XX cards coming in few days(after RTX3090 review/test).

https://www.igorslab.de/en/simple-pad-mod-for-the-force-rtx-3080-founders-edition-slowers-the-gddr6x-temperature-by-a-whopping-8-degrees/

Yeah, it seems nvidia and micron wants to clear inventory of bad binned gddrx6 memory then they will use better ones in few months.

If block rewards are cut that much mining is over.

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Quote from: arielbit on September 22, 2020, 10:19:14 AM

at 133.33mhs x3 card rig will be 400mhs. comparable to x4 3080 rig, but much expensive. not worth the density vs x4 3080.

but if you think about it, it is still better purchase than "500mhs eth asic is 4689$ at 750w" hehe

I do prefer the 3080 cause the gddrx6 on the 3090 is the same memory slightly binned, everything is better than asics because in the end has resale value and can mine other algos. ETH will soon halve the fees and mining rewards per block and then the 0.75 cents of usd per gpu today with the rx 570 will become 0.15 cents of usd or less per day per gpu, gpus are so expensive to a point mining already lost 50% of its income, if it was before 2016 you could buy a rx 5700 nowadays for $180, no joking, that is how used to be, gpus like the 3080 would be $499 and 3070 around $300.

Quote from: hagbase on September 22, 2020, 10:27:12 AM

Just don't fry your VRAM, tests for custom RXT30XX cards coming in few days(after RTX3090 review/test).

https://www.igorslab.de/en/simple-pad-mod-for-the-force-rtx-3080-founders-edition-slowers-the-gddr6x-temperature-by-a-whopping-8-degrees/

Yeah, it seems nvidia and micron wants to clear inventory of bad binned gddrx6 memory then they will use better ones in few months.

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Just don't fry your VRAM, tests for custom RXT30XX cards coming in few days(after RTX3090 review/test).

https://www.igorslab.de/en/simple-pad-mod-for-the-force-rtx-3080-founders-edition-slowers-the-gddr6x-temperature-by-a-whopping-8-degrees/

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Quote from: Metroid on September 22, 2020, 04:10:17 AM

Quote from: Metroid on September 19, 2020, 12:52:35 PM

Now on the 3090, 1219 memory clock, so 1219 * 8 * 2 = 19.5 gbps and to find bandwidth, 19.5 Gbps * 2 * 384 / 16 = 936 GB/s, 936 / 8 = 117 mhs on eth default clocks, + 20% memory overclock, 24 Gbps * 2 * 384 / 16 = 1152 GB/s, 1152 / 8 = 144 mhs on eth, possible yeah.

It's a little higher than supposed to be, probably stock overclocked version to get 122mhs.

https://wccftech.com/nvidia-geforce-rtx-3090-impressive-mining-performance-122-mhs-ethereum/

So far, this is what we have on ethash.

3090 1499 / 117 = 12.8 usd per mhs
3080 699 / 95 = 7.3 usd per mhs
3070 499 / 56 = 8.9 usd per mhs
5700 400 / 56 = 7.1 usd per mhs
5600 xt 279 / 42 = 6.6 usd per mhs
5500 xt 199 / 28 = 7.1 usd per mhs

from the link..

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The performance is based on stock numbers for the card

we'll see if my estimate 133.33mhs "efficient enough" tweak hits the spot...but still, it can probably do 150mhs at max tweak/power.

extra vram will consume extra power of course

at 133.33mhs x3 card rig will be 400mhs. comparable to x4 3080 rig, but much expensive. not worth the density vs x4 3080.

but if you think about it, it is still better purchase than "500mhs eth asic is 4689$ at 750w" hehe

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Quote from: Metroid on September 19, 2020, 12:52:35 PM

Now on the 3090, 1219 memory clock, so 1219 * 8 * 2 = 19.5 gbps and to find bandwidth, 19.5 Gbps * 2 * 384 / 16 = 936 GB/s, 936 / 8 = 117 mhs on eth default clocks, + 20% memory overclock, 24 Gbps * 2 * 384 / 16 = 1152 GB/s, 1152 / 8 = 144 mhs on eth, possible yeah.

It's a little higher than supposed to be, probably stock overclocked version to get 122mhs.

https://wccftech.com/nvidia-geforce-rtx-3090-impressive-mining-performance-122-mhs-ethereum/

So far, this is what we have on ethash.

3090 1499 / 117 = 12.8 usd per mhs
3080 699 / 95 = 7.3 usd per mhs
3070 499 / 56 = 8.9 usd per mhs
5700 400 / 56 = 7.1 usd per mhs
5600 xt 279 / 42 = 6.6 usd per mhs
5500 xt 199 / 28 = 7.1 usd per mhs

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Quote from: arielbit on September 19, 2020, 01:24:48 PM

Quote from: Metroid on September 19, 2020, 01:11:02 PM

Quote from: arielbit on September 19, 2020, 01:02:38 PM

https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-geforce-rtx-3090-gaming-performance-review-leaks-out

3090 benchmarks vs 3080

games +10%
synthetic +20% (3d mark)

10% faster, 100% more money hehe, i'm out from that.

that's why i said, with mining if you ROI 50% of 3090 price you are already a winner.

pros
- enough vram for upcoming games
- 10% more gaming performance
- no need to wait for 3080ti 20gb
- at 50% ROI, it will look like you just bought 3080.

note: this is at 1 piece gpu, your personal gaming PC.

Yeah true but if I had to decide to go mining which I won't, I would choose 3080 any day over anything at moment, personal opinion. The good thing about the 3090 is memory size and for gamers, sli, 2 x 3090 and play 8k games at 60 fps hehe, not sure how sli would work here, not sure how much support sli still have, few games must support that and now only the 3090 has it, much smaller market segment.

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Quote from: Metroid on September 19, 2020, 01:11:02 PM

Quote from: arielbit on September 19, 2020, 01:02:38 PM

https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-geforce-rtx-3090-gaming-performance-review-leaks-out

3090 benchmarks vs 3080

games +10%
synthetic +20% (3d mark)

10% faster, 100% more money hehe, i'm out from that.

that's why i said, with mining if you ROI 50% of 3090 price you are already a winner.

pros
- enough vram for upcoming games
- 10% more gaming performance
- no need to wait for 3080ti 20gb
- at 50% ROI, it will look like you just bought 3080.

note: this is at 1 piece gpu, your personal gaming PC.

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Quote from: arielbit on September 19, 2020, 01:02:38 PM

3090 will be sweet for 150mhs.

That is possible, need 25% memory overclock, high end models with lots of cooling heat transfer pads for memory overclocking hehe, on the 3080ti, that might come with the next micron gddrx6, 26gbps plus.

Quote from: arielbit on September 19, 2020, 01:02:38 PM

https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-geforce-rtx-3090-gaming-performance-review-leaks-out

3090 benchmarks vs 3080

games +10%
synthetic +20% (3d mark)

10% faster, 100% more money hehe, i'm out from that.

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https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-geforce-rtx-3090-gaming-performance-review-leaks-out

3090 benchmarks vs 3080

games +10%
synthetic +20% (3d mark)

mining performance tends to reflect to synthetic performance in difference. if 3080 is 100mhs, then probably 3090 is 120-130mhs.

if 3090 will hash efficient enough @ 133.33mhs.. in a 3 card rig setup, will work like 4x 3080 @ 400mhs..

but i hope 120-130mhs is for 3080ti not for 3090, 3090 will be sweet for 150mhs.

if these asics are still getting bought, a x3 3090 rig and x4 3080 rig is close enough in density. also if you think about resell value and being able to mine other coins 3080 is already a winner and 3090 is reasonable enough versus ETH ASIC.

500mhs eth asic is 4689$ at 750w

https://www.cryptominerbros.com/product/innosilicon-a10-pro-500mh-s-ethash-miner/

knowing these ASICs are getting bought, 3080 is a no brainer to purchase for mining eth Wink

I will not be surprised if ASIC trolls will come full force against 30xx series for mining LOL

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Quote from: DavidC1 on September 18, 2020, 07:52:59 PM

920GB/s bandwidth is required to achieve 115MH/s theoretically. That's 23GT/s.

In reality though, the efficiency is about 85-90%, so you'll need 25-26GT/s to get 115MH/s. So its possible on the 3090, but not on the 3080.

Compare it to Polaris.
32MH/s requires 256GB/s bandwidth theoretical. 256GB/s bandwidth needs the memory clocked at only 8GT/s. But user results show they need the memory to be 8.8, or even 9GT/s to reach that. This is all assuming you have the optimal timings.

It's unrealistic to expect 115MH/s. They are liars. Not surprising from China.

Okay, let me try to understand it, given your numbers, if 32 requires 256, 64 will require 512, 96 will require 768, and last, 128 mhs will require 1024 gb/s.

3080 --> Bandwidth 760.3 GB/s, so in theory the maximum it will reach is 95.2 mhs, a little below 96 mhs which need 768 gb/s, now when they overclock the memory, that 760.3 gb/s increases, so lets do the math, 19 Gbps * 2 * 320 / 16 = 760 GB/s, 1188 * 8 * 2 = 19 gbps, now if we get that memory overclocked to 23gbps, which if we think about is 20% memory overclock, which is very possible, 23 Gbps * 2 * 320 / 16 = 920 GB/s, if we calculate 1024 / 128 = 8, so we need 8 gb/s to get 1 mhs on eth, so 920 / 8 = 115 mhs, so basically a 3080 need 115 x 8 = 920 gbps to get 115mhs. Is that impossible? no, but it needs 20% memory overclock. So 115mhs on eth is very much possible.

Now on the 3090, 1219 memory clock, so 1219 * 8 * 2 = 19.5 gbps and to find bandwidth, 19.5 Gbps * 2 * 384 / 16 = 936 GB/s, 936 / 8 = 117 mhs on eth default clocks, + 20% memory overclock, 24 Gbps * 2 * 384 / 16 = 1152 GB/s, 1152 / 8 = 144 mhs on eth, possible yeah.

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Quote from: Metroid on September 16, 2020, 01:52:40 AM

Quote from: Amph on September 16, 2020, 12:07:00 AM

i gruess with proper tweaking and new drivers the 3080 can reach 100mh easily if not more with the same efficiency

The chinese are doing 115 mhs, so they must know something we dont yet and many of them got amperes 2 weeks before release.

920GB/s bandwidth is required to achieve 115MH/s theoretically. That's 23GT/s.

In reality though, the efficiency is about 85-90%, so you'll need 25-26GT/s to get 115MH/s. So its possible on the 3090, but not on the 3080.

Compare it to Polaris.
32MH/s requires 256GB/s bandwidth theoretical. 256GB/s bandwidth needs the memory clocked at only 8GT/s. But user results show they need the memory to be 8.8, or even 9GT/s to reach that. This is all assuming you have the optimal timings.

It's unrealistic to expect 115MH/s. They are liars. Not surprising from China.

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Quote from: sxemini on September 15, 2020, 06:28:44 AM

Another useless video from vosk Roll Eyes

Video Title:
Are the Nvidia 3000 Series the BEST GPUs for MINING EVER?! RTX 3070, 3080, and 3090 HASHRATES

And then? You talk about some leaks or expected hashrates from other sites. Why you don´t do your own research? How much time you spend on producing this video? 16min?

I'd rather show real mining performance when I am able to get the cards in hand, another useless comment from you Cheesy

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Quote from: sxemini on September 17, 2020, 06:01:32 AM

i am out, i only discuss with person´s you understand technology.

best sentence from you, that show your knowledge:
anyway my point is about 150mhs "possibility" from gddr5x to 6 to 6x. that's two vram generation leaps. understand the analogy. then you will understand why it is a "possibility"

And for you, i have no AMD 5700, 5600, but i have much nvidia cards like p104, p106, 1070 and much more AMD cards.

lol .. so there you go...a lot of cards that will be phased out/ outclassed in the coming "major" leg up in gpu technology.

you will own a ton of garbage that nobody wants to buy..now i really do understand your pain, sorry for your loss.

150mhs is a possibility for 3090 i said not 3080..sme-mini dick in putting words in others mouth now? hehe

3080 did 93mhs, with those extras in 3090... can still possibly reach up to 150mhs (will not mention tech terms just to make mini dick feel a bit smarter hehe)

just to point out that 3080 is getting bottle neck by 8700k intel processor, only around 3900x and 10900k processor levels can unleash it's extra juice in gaming, that's how "major" this leg up in gpu technology is. so people worshiping r9 390s (like mini dick) will not like it, not one bit.

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i am out, i only discuss with person´s you understand technology.

best sentence from you, that show your knowledge:
anyway my point is about 150mhs "possibility" from gddr5x to 6 to 6x. that's two vram generation leaps. understand the analogy. then you will understand why it is a "possibility"

And for you, i have no AMD 5700, 5600, but i have much nvidia cards like p104, p106, 1070 and much more AMD cards.

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Quote from: sxemini on September 17, 2020, 05:12:29 AM

Quote from: arielbit on September 16, 2020, 07:44:07 AM

Quote from: Metroid on September 16, 2020, 07:39:58 AM

Quote from: sxemini on September 16, 2020, 07:32:55 AM

They know nothing, here are first screenshots from RTX hashrate, very close to my expected hashrates Grin

https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-geforce-rtx-3080-ethereum-daggerhashimoto-mining-performance

Some chinese have been with the gpus for more than 2 weeks and they know nothing? You get the troll award of the day ehhe

Quote from: sxemini on September 11, 2020, 04:44:27 AM

RTX 3080 760 Gbps are around 123 from 2080ti so hashrate 63mh but i think the 30x0 is a bit faster so it can do 65mh

his estimate is only at 60% power draw of the card

his brain power lacks 40% lol Cheesy

Hmm i was really close with my expect hashrate, you say it comes with over 100mh or more. 65mh to 80mh? and over 100 to 80mh. who was closer?
And whats the truth? Lol your comment, i see your brain. stupid sorry dude nothing more.

for me sweetspot is at powerlimit 65%.

estimates is about what a card can do? i say 100mhs, it can do 93mhs without optimizations yet so 100mhs is still on the table.

english language says "can do"...what can it do?, so far 93mhs.

so if you want to run in the "efficiency sector" then 65% power limit is the sweet spot but the hashrate is 80mhs. that's 15mhs difference to your prediction of 65mhs.

with further optimization a 10% increase is very possible so if runs efficient at 90mhs(optimized and efficient), you will be wrong with ~25mhs.

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