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Everyone at Lisk are actively preparing mainnet for the last 4 months at least.... well before the birth of ARK, and anyway a good communicator like you should not unleash such bad language... Sadly this incident tarnish not only your reputation but the entire project/team you're representing.

Dude, I don't know.  He hasn't even said anything to support us BUT the coin he destroyed Crypti, all the founders came out and congratulated Max and wished him good luck even though Max knew Crypti was thinking about doing another ICO.  He has been cordial to everyone except for us.

We reached out to Max like 3 times already and he Ignored us every time.

I don't know what they would do but the stuff they have been doing is too much coincidence.  He announced Forging the SAME day as the day our TEC launched.

I don't know what else he would do and he has yet to give US a straight answer so all I have is my gut instinct.

I know, most likely it's something else but why else would he do it?



STRICT ROADMAP???  They made the roadmap like two months ago and still don't have a whitepaper!

Do you seriously think Max has purposely done that so as to screw your campaign? Lisk is an established project with 14,009 BTC, 80 million XCR exchanged and a strict road map to follow in oder to fufill it's commitment toward the investors. Although a bad coincidence for your campaign, you guys should have a plan B and focus on marketing if you want to reach your goals.

Ok sorry to hear you leave dude, If you don't think you'd be angry in that situation then so be it.  It's not a lie, he tweeted that he did it so it's fact.  Disrespect is what he did to us when he suggested that Bittrex hold off on withdrawals.  Go ask anyone, their wallet has been down for over a week.

You can think of me anyway you want but who knows how screwed over the ARK Project have been because of the decisions Max has made.  He tweeted that this morning when someone else asked him about it.  He got caught red handed and you call me disrespectful.  

And you're right, I am insolent,  I don't have any respect for people who would manipulate the exchanges during the start of someone else's crowdfunding event.

@cannabanana! remove me from your signature campaign please. No way I will endorse such behaviour. Your insolent attitude is so disrespectful and seriously tarnishing the project you try to represent.

Some general info on current bonuses.

thanks, welcome aboard.

What did you think, that our plan to hold Lisk forever? Why would anyone hold anything forever, let alone currency? That just doesn't make sence.

As for Lisk use cases, Ark and individual ark team members don't necessary have the exact same goals and interests.
Ark has no business or intention building anything on the Lisk blockhain. It's whole premise is taking another development direction, away from side-chains. That is what funds are gathered for. It doesn't mean Ark and Lisk can't cooperate (both teams and chains) but one doesn't have anything to do with the other.

The same can't be said for individuals. While cannabanana was rather vocal about his dislike of Lisk and it's management, it's not ARK teams offical stand on the issue. (I think that would be that we don't have one and remain silent on Lisks releated matters.) Personal opinions about Lisk releated issues both technical and personal vary amongst the team members. Most are on the middle and simply want to support and use both and won't be dragged into all this bickering even if they have some opinions on one subject or another.

About use cases for Lisk. I have detailed plans for a sidechain app since the beginning of Lisks ICO, it's detailed with a whitepaper half written, and still intend to make it happen when Lisk is ready for such thing. (It's still not) Others in the Ark team may have similar plans, no idea. But this has nothing to do with ARK or ARK TEC.

Lisk is an asset we choose to accept and hold, along with Bitcoin, just like other projects have chosen to accept Ethereum. Most of the projects accepting ETH as an exchange option have some connection to it, like being built on it or a derivative work. Likewise, Ark is derived from Lisk, with plans to bridge to it, so it makes sense to accept Lisk as an exchange option since that is the community we come from.

you're welcome to have your opinion but like we alwasy said, we'd use it for whatever we need.  If you want to wear your tinfoil hat all day while trying to fud ARK go for it, but don't get mad if I also voice my opinion on your opinion and how utterly stupid it is.

I think the same is true for the technical problems. The fact that we are just now reached a milestone  (a stabile mainnet with decentralized delegates) that should never have been a problem to solve, just a simple fact of working, back in april is not such a happy occasion for some without the crpyto variant of stockholm syndrome, but in half a year it won't matter, and a year from now only a few "oldtimer" will remember that it ever happened.

here i thought you guys had USE cases for the LSK in the future, turns out its "vega style" instead. you wanted it to dump on a pump

great...

I just want to say that no matter what happens, I'm quite proud of the ARC team so far. I used to be a huge supporter of LISK, but this situation really makes me question my own investment in it.

True.  A lot of people seem to focus on the short term price for Lisk while ARK is looking at Lisk long term.


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I was one of those who argued heavily for favoring Lisk and I still stand by my reasoning.
To me when it come to this it wasn't about believing in Lisk or not, or trusting that it has the right management direction or not, or if sidechains will be the future or not. All of this was irrevelent for my views for pushing ARK to accept lisk. No, it came down to one simple fact. Lisk still has almost 14k bitcoin that they can spend on development, partnerships, sponsoring and PR.

I believe that this fact alone is a deciding factor for having Lisk now, as long as one is able to hold Lisk long term as ARK wants to. Because with 14k bitcoin there is only a moderate chance that it won't come a time, probably several times when Lisk is "hot" and the Lisk price surges and then stabilizes at a much higher level than it is now. It's a matter of patiences in my opinion.

Time will tell if I was mistaken.

Lisk is probably pretty close to its bottom, given that they have barely touched their funding. On top of that, they have benefited a lot from the BTC price increases. I still don't see more than a possible near term 25% downside in Lisk price and a strong possibility of a 10-40X upside over the next couple of years. Their biggest challenge after they have access to their funds will be finding blockchain qualified developers to accelerate their progress. Our challenge in Ark at this point will be to have enough BTC on hand to not have to touch the Lisk for a long time, if ever. Our monthly budget is $40,000 USD per month after TEC, so this is roughly equal to the forging earnings of the team member Lisk delegates if needed, though we would rather spend BTC for as long as possible before using even lisk from delegate earnings.

You guys are working really hard at this, I truly hope you reach your goal. It's really a shame what is happening at Lisk's end.

Perhaps the success of Lisk, many new coins are taking a good example of a trade that actually bring good to the future Lisk, issue price Lisk for now this is probably a lot to disappointment in some of these days, maybe a factor the team less attention in future development the coin Lisk..

The same can be said of bitcoin. Fun fact is that Lisks predecessor Crypti was killed in a not small part because they couldn't diversify their BTC ICO funds before BTC tanked in a serious way.

So it is true that accepting, even favoring Lisk is a higher risk than bitcoin, but the risk/reward ratio is higher too.

It would be suboptimal if we won't get enough bitcoin to fund things in the short term, but not fatal.
Around the end of the TEC without bonus most new transfers will probably be in BTC, so the current BTC-Lisk ratio will most likely change. The only real question is total amount of funds that will arrive.

We will find out by December 11th won't we.  20 days in crypto is a long time and a lot can happen.  We are confident minimum threshold will be met.  




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