Topic: Artificial Intelligence on the Forum - page 2. (Read 1032 times)

Because you didn't define what you consider an aid.  Do you type on a manual typewriter (looking in a dictionary) than run uphill 2 miles to the nearest building with electricity to upload your words to the internet?

Aids could include an electronic keyboard, internet at your house, or a car to drive you where you need to go.
In the 2010s, an aid could be considered grammarley or even Google to aid you in research.

The debate is when such aids will be accepted.  There is little difference between garbage AI and garbage make your post quota. 

Exactly my point!! I mean, how did this even turn into a debate whether or not user that post with aids be banned?

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What's the petty sentiments about?... Y'all need to stop whatever you're doing and call a spade by its name. No offense to anyone that feels this is about them but .... c'monnn!  Are you practically telling people to follow suit?

The younger generations are looking up to you.. What's this gonna sound like? Take a look at altcointalk for instance; are y'all comfortable in there compared to Bitcointalk? No shades! I will never join any unnecessary arguments about what's considerably bad or not, but if I'm being executed cause I was caught with arms (in a country that it isn't legalized) in an attempt to steal, does that make pocket pickers to not face the laws... Good lord!

I'm not making any kind of argument as to how bad AI-generated crap is vs. plagiarism, simply stating my view that the former doesn't meet the criteria for the definition of the latter, unless the argument is that the AI program is culling what it's writing from stuff that's already been written, and I'm not sure I buy that.  If that were true, then every site on the web that uses AI to write something, every student who uses AI for a class, and essentially all use of AI to generate text produces plagiarized results and anyone who uses it is a plagiarist.  That's extreme, but regardless of how extreme I just don't think it's true.

Sorry to reply to this so late, but I missed the updates on this thread.  And honestly, whether AI-generated posts constitute plagiarism or not, they ought to be banned, full stop.  I might have missed any decrees from Theymos as well, so where does the forum stand with respect to idiots using AI?  And yes, I will go back and read the rest of this thread after posting this.

Let me correct that for you. Everything an LLM or text generator writes can be plagiarism, depending on how you use it.

Acquiring knowledge by reading what others have said on a particular topic and then explaining or writing about it the way you remembered it is not plagiarism. If it was, most of the stuff we say about Bitcoin could be classified as plagiarism. A simple question, like explaining what Bitcoin is can't be answered without saying something that other people haven't already said in the past (most probably).

Plagiarism is often about intention. If you find a research on hardware wallets and make it sound like you made the research, it's plagiarism. You can't write about that on the forum by saying that you conducted the research, you talked with experts, you spent hours configuring and working with the devices, if it was someone else who did it.

Grammarly doesn't generate text on its own. It corrects the grammar of existing text you feed into it. You should be fine using Grammarly. No one should get into trouble for doing extra work to make their posts better, especially if English isn't their first language. It would be unfair if the admins punished users for using Grammarly.

I buy the idea of having a separate board created for AI generated essays, even though that it would create a divide because any topics already created by human intelligence may have a different ring to it if created using AI.
I read here where someone suggested that users who make comments or create post using Ai, should indicate at the end or leave something like a footnote to state it was created by AI.

In all, the essence of having a community like this where we as humans from different regions in the world can share real experiences and ideas that isn't AI generated, is simply beautiful and I have always loved to partake in the reasoning of others as much I share mine, mostly those of whom I have neither seen or met or belong with in same age bracket.

I also was using the grammarly as a supportive measure to atleast straighten and make my grammar a little bit readable but the whole chaos with AI generated or correct post made me let go because it got to a particular period when I actually felt that even the use of grammarly could be classified as AI aided post or write but I know all the writes up are made originally by me, it's just that the grammarly too helps me rearrange them to put the right punctuation and grammar set up in the right order.

Any university would require you to credit the sources, and if not, it's plagiarism.

There is a lot of money to be made via LLMs (which is really what the OP is referring to), and that is not from sig deals. The creators of LLMs want their models to be relevant and accurate, so I somewhat understand why some might use the forum to create LLM-created posts, although there are probably some ethical issues in doing so.

Anything a LLM says is not plagiarism. If there is a topic that I find interesting regarding something I don't know a lot about, I might read articles from what I believe to be reputable sources, and I might paraphrase information that I find across several sources in my post. That is essentially what a LLM does.

I'd expect regulators to act on this, but it's going to take many years before they do something. And given the great "success" of having cookie warnings everywhere, I don't have high hopes. Making the AI-manufacturers liable for the problems caused by their software would probably end this, but that's "killing innovation". Add a strong lobby, and I don't expect improvements.

I disagree - a lot of development in AI is to replace the human, such as in warehouse or other repetitive/dangerous/expensive work.

As a young mental health professional, you would view AI as a tool to help you, because your job will be one of the last to be replaced.   

It's because spammers and scammers don't realize that AI is supposed to just be a tool to augment something, not entirely replace it.

Like, Chat GPT is really good at telling you how to do something simply, or making a guide on how to start a fire. It's not going to, nor is it supposed to, start the fire for you IRL.

Idk if that's a shitty example, but yeah.

But there have been examples where one could clearly see that there has been intentional usage of AI to generate texts. Should we just keep ignoring such cases? How different is that from plagiarism that has been demonized in the forum from almost as long as it has existed?

I think the forum administration needs to come out on this, otherwise if we condone it, then plagiarism should also be condoned since it's also "hard to detect" at times

I have to say this one is true. Detecting AI generated posts could be easier to say but when you are in the process, it might be harder than it is, most especially if you simply check his current posts without going deep into his past history. Probably the reason why these AI users are even motivated to continue what they’re doing because it will be harder for them to get caught. And maybe if they get caught, that would mean an extra work for this forum admin. Something that I can really say detecting AI post is really hard and somewhat tricky.

I guess that won’t create a problem if there won’t be any stupid buyer thinking to buy on that. Although I have no issues on buying account, but one should be well responsible as well to check and verify the account first before buying if there are no suspicious and AI generated posts that will put the new owner at a risk, losing all the opportunities that he might be taking advantage in the forum. Otherwise, it will be his sole problem already once the forum takes tight rule in combatting AI posts.

I even saw g00gle AI recommending someone to jump of the Golden Gate Bridge as a cure for depression, because one reddit user suggested it  
This looks like a perfect new army of government ''workers'', they never complains, they are never hungry, and they don't ask to be paid anything.
Spammers and scammers are going to be top AI users, if they are not already.

The problem with this one is that some people don't really like it even if you're honest about your involvement with AI because they don't appreciate the fact that your post isn't organic and that you claim that your post is informed opinion when it's just a generated nonsense from an AI that was made to look like it came from your head and not computer generated. Although they might forgive you a little for the honesty that you've used an AI, you will not get anything out of all of this and at the same time, your post from that point in time including your past post would be in scrutiny because they want to see if you're not a first offender and that this might not be your only time that you've used an AI, what basically this confession would lead to is just people getting in the ignored list of a lot of people and possibly a lot of reports because of how they've conducted themselves.

In my opinion, the stance on AI posts here in the forum is that of someone is using an AI to write a novel, as a publisher, you're never going to want all of that as a book because you know that it would serve only nothing but just a quota for the writer and nothing more, no emotions and hard work were poured into it besides the creativity in the prompts and it's not human enough to make AI post a thing in this forum and we will eventually arrive in a point where we don't care anymore because we've tolerated AI as a way to fulfill post counts.

obviously at some point, there will be some AI tool that you let loose on the forum and it just is autonomous. it will read different threads and make replies in some of them and be doing that all day long  

24/7/365. but that would be another way to detect them. so they would have to break it into work shifts where it went on posting sprees of 5 or 6 hours and then went dark for 18 or so hours. because most people sleep.

show me one account like that. i bet its pretty rare. so i don't think that's the main problem. plus who is buying established accounts? no one has ever offered me anything to buy my account from ME.   I'm not even sure why they would do that. unless they are looking to just spam the forum. which wont last too long.

Good meme 😂. I like it, thanks for sharing. Totally stealing it so I can send it to my friends :3.

And it has been like that since the start, let's remember that old meme (even older than the meme word).


And AI just make it worst, lol.

I agree. If this will only the possible way to discourage using AI, then so be it. Anyone gets caught should be punished and should be out of the campaign, otherwise the campaign manager might possibly be put at risk. Although this could be additional job for campaign managers, but I think that’s part of their job to protect the campaign from getting copy right information that are intentionally done by members of the campaign.