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Quote from: seoincorporation on May 11, 2024, 10:31:01 AM

I feel like we need clear rules about Artificial Intelligence on the forum.

The first thing we should stop calling it Artificial Intelligence and more like Artificial Shitposting, cause in most of those cases there is nothing intelligent in it, just the same shitpost you would get for plagiarizing an article or using a word spinner on the previous right answer.
In my opinion, anyone caught doing such a thing should get a 7 days ban and then a full ban if caught doing it again, this is to give him time to defend himself in case of a mistake in detection, but overall we should discourage this as much as possible, it's bad for the forum it's bad for discussions, there is simply no positive thing coming out of allowing it.

you're gonna have to ban a looot of people

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Quote from: seoincorporation on May 11, 2024, 10:31:01 AM

I feel like we need clear rules about Artificial Intelligence on the forum.

The first thing we should stop calling it Artificial Intelligence and more like Artificial Shitposting, cause in most of those cases there is nothing intelligent in it, just the same shitpost you would get for plagiarizing an article or using a word spinner on the previous right answer.
In my opinion, anyone caught doing such a thing should get a 7 days ban and then a full ban if caught doing it again, this is to give him time to defend himself in case of a mistake in detection, but overall we should discourage this as much as possible, it's bad for the forum it's bad for discussions, there is simply no positive thing coming out of allowing it.

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Quote from: Davidvictorson on May 11, 2024, 10:35:27 AM

My thoughts on this are simple. If a user is assisted in making a post through artificial intelligence, instead of the user to pass it on as knowledge coming from themselves they should do the right thing and simply put at the footnote or references, source as artificial intelligence. Doing this without adding a source is tantamount to plagiarism. However if it is overdone by a user then the attention of the user needs to be called to it and they should be cautioned. We want to see original thoughts, ideas and write up not ai generated.

i'm pretty sure you used either chatgpt or google translate to write that post, correct?

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Quote from: Solosanz on May 11, 2024, 10:41:37 AM

Take a look with this one.

Quote from: mprep on December 28, 2022, 08:22:30 PM

If an AI is able to consistently create content that doesn't break any of the forum's rules (good quality, on-topic, not just a padded word salad, no plagiarism, etc, etc), I, for one, welcome our new machine overlords. Otherwise, content that violates the rules, AI or human produced, can already be dealt with with our current rules and policies in mind.

When those rules were made, AI has not been as popular as it is right now, and this is even the first time I've come across this comment or rule by one of the forum administrators.

With the rate at which AI is being used to generate a post, it shouldn't be treated differently from plagiarism. Plagiarism is when someone presents content that belongs to someone else as their own, claiming the whole idea and the rest of it. We all consider that to be plagiarism.

AI-generated posts also fall under that category because they are content written by none other than humans, and if such content should be posted or shared, honour should be given to the original source where the information was gotten from.

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Quote from: seoincorporation on May 11, 2024, 10:31:01 AM

I feel like we need clear rules about Artificial Intelligence on the forum.

What does the forum staff think about AI-generated posts?

I think I have made a couple of reports and nothing has been done. To me, AI generated posts should be treated just like plagiarism.

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Should we report those posts to moderators?

There is even a thread dedicated to reporting the AI spammers. The problem is, mods don't act on the reports there by discouraging the reporters a little.

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Should AI text be quoted?

Quoting should be fine if the source is cited

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Should users make the AI-Busters (Just like we have the Spam-Busters)?

Here we go --- https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/ai-spam-report-reference-thread-5456516

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AI will make spamming much easier because users that will try to spam the forum can just make multiple accounts and then use AI to create topics and posts that clearly doesn't have any thought in it or organic idea in there which makes it easier to reproduce with just a simple prompt, they'd probably be able to do it. So rather than dealing with that possibility because they want to serve people equally and give them the freedom that they want to have, outright prohibition is the route that they've chosen which is understandable because that's the way that would be better for more people, the quality of the posts aren't even going to be affected or would be damaged because there's a restriction on AI generated posts.

The other thing that makes AI bad for this forum is that it would be an unfair advantage to those that knows how to post without the assistance of an AI.

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Quote from: AbuBhakar on May 11, 2024, 10:43:18 AM

Is grammarly and other tools to improve post quality is part of this AI tools? I’m using this AI tools sometimes when I’m on a device with this extension which I use to correct my grammar and improve my post. Sometimes it change my sentence construction to a more decent format.

I’m confused whether this tool is considered as AI or not but I'm sure that it’s different approach compared to chatgpt AI because my thoughts is the basis of the improved post.

I do not know how to answer this question but I would say after you have used grammarly to help your sentence construction, run your text through a AI checker software available on the internet, if they turn out to signal that it is AI written, I would advise that you should simply indicate at the end of the text that grammarly was used in helping your sentence construction. Because if any other user runs your texts via the AI checker and it turns out to be 100% AI, how do you explain to them that it was grammarly that you use for sentence construction and not chat GPT?

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Quote from: Davidvictorson on May 11, 2024, 10:35:27 AM

My thoughts on this are simple. If a user is assisted in making a post through artificial intelligence, instead of the user to pass it on as knowledge coming from themselves they should do the right thing and simply put at the footnote or references, source as artificial intelligence. Doing this without adding a source is tantamount to plagiarism. However if it is overdone by a user then the attention of the user needs to be called to it and they should be cautioned. We want to see original thoughts, ideas and write up not ai generated.

Is grammarly and other tools to improve post quality is part of this AI tools? I’m using this AI tools sometimes when I’m on a device with this extension which I use to correct my grammar and improve my post. Sometimes it change my sentence construction to a more decent format.

I’m confused whether this tool is considered as AI or not but I'm sure that it’s different approach compared to chatgpt AI because my thoughts is the basis of the improved post.

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Quote from: seoincorporation on May 11, 2024, 10:31:01 AM

What does the forum staff think about AI-generated posts?

Take a look with this one.

Quote from: mprep on December 28, 2022, 08:22:30 PM

If an AI is able to consistently create content that doesn't break any of the forum's rules (good quality, on-topic, not just a padded word salad, no plagiarism, etc, etc), I, for one, welcome our new machine overlords. Otherwise, content that violates the rules, AI or human produced, can already be dealt with with our current rules and policies in mind.

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Should we report those posts to moderators?

Yes AI Spam Report Reference Thread

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Should AI text be quoted?

Yes, and better to write if the text was created by AI.

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Should users make the AI-Busters (Just like we have the Spam-Busters)?

Do you mean a gang? users who caught AI posters seems fall to Spam-busters too.

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Can users get nuked if they only post AI-generated content?

I don't really know about it, but if someone can caught the AI generated content plagiarized other contents, it would fall to plagiarism and the users can be nuked or banned.

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My thoughts on this are simple. If a user is assisted in making a post through artificial intelligence, instead of the user to pass it on as knowledge coming from themselves they should do the right thing and simply put at the footnote or references, source as artificial intelligence. Doing this without adding a source is tantamount to plagiarism. However if it is overdone by a user then the attention of the user needs to be called to it and they should be cautioned. We want to see original thoughts, ideas and write up not ai generated.

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Quote from: seoincorporation on May 11, 2024, 10:31:01 AM

I feel like we need clear rules about Artificial Intelligence on the forum.

What does the forum staff think about AI-generated posts?
Should we report those posts to moderators?
Should AI text be quoted?
Should users make the AI-Busters (Just like we have the Spam-Busters)?
Can users get nuked if they only post AI-generated content?

I know there are some other topics related to AI like this one https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5445074.60 but i don't see any intervention from the staff on that thread, that's why i place this questions to know how we should proceed about this topic as users.

it's crazy how many posts here are made with chatgpt. most of those posts are absurd, make zero sense

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I feel like we need clear rules about Artificial Intelligence on the forum.

What does the forum staff think about AI-generated posts?
Should we report those posts to moderators?
Should AI text be quoted?
Should users make the AI-Busters (Just like we have the Spam-Busters)?
Can users get nuked if they only post AI-generated content?

I know there are some other topics related to AI like this one https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5445074.60 but i don't see any intervention from the staff on that thread, that's why i place this questions to know how should we proceed about this topic as users.

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