Topic: Artificial Intelligence on the Forum - page 4. (Read 1024 times)

simple explanation. they use the AI in their native language and then use google translate. that leaves the AI like us: completely confused.
that's why most of those posts are long, make zero sense, have lots of grammar mistakes etc... they're unreadable, ridiculous and have become the standard of this place. and the mods dgaf.

Except a user is using it as a reference to something, I don't think AI generated post should be used at all. I don't see any reason why somebody can use an AI to write a full post and then putting a link or stating that the post was AI generated makes it okay. I don't know if there's an expressive rule against it, but it doesn't make sense to me. It's different if you use an AI tool to correct your spelling, grammar or punctuation, but using an AI to generate a post is just wrong. It's not organic.
This is a discussion forum and in a discussion if you don't have anything to say you just be quiet and listen, you don't always have to say something. It's better to not reply to a post or create a post than posting someone else's words, that's plagiarism..

The saying,

"Put your money where your mouth is!"

feels very relevant to this discussion.

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oof i wasn't really expecting a reply but ok.
damn this place is so serious.
next time i'll add ten smileys to avoid confusion

That would never be too easy to trace. There are those who are actually excellent in their written communication skills that we tend to suspect that they are using AI, but in reality they simply use their intelligence and reasoning skills that not all of us are capable of having it. Or there are also those who are too good to be true but they end up copying it from AI to make their explanation more meaningful and convincing.

So I guess detecting AI carries a lot of work to do. You can’t simply just say that someone is using AI unless if you have proven proofs and evidences. Otherwise, you end up barking at the wrong tree.

AI posts usually don't look genuine at all. If it is a long ass post and it is on a serious subject, written with a serious language, posted by a low ranking member; >90% that's a AI generated text. There are many posts like that nowadays and the posters are mostly newbies&jr members.

Sometimes I try some free AI tools on those texts and the AI tool says it is 100% written by a human and I can't believe it somewhat. I think they must have found a way to fool the AI detectors because I somehow don't think there are many genuine people out there who want to sign-up and write a long ass very detailed article on economics to educate us. Those must be spam.

Most of the AI text generating tools I have tried can be "forced" (or rather persuaded) to use any expression style you want.  So, aiming for rudeness might not be the unique snowflake you think it is.  I think the content of your posts is much more important than the way you express it. Whether it is polite or rude makes no difference.

i try to be as rude as possible in all my posts. no AI is rude so i'm sure no one will think i'm using it.

Thank you for this clarification. I usually have a doubt when using grammarly since they now offer text improvement which rephrased a complete statement based on the format your desire by changing the tone and expression of your original statement. This makes me confused because this might already a borderline AI like tools which I might unknowingly using.

But one thing is for sure that I construct first my first and just improve using the tools to make it more appealing to read by correcting the grammar. This comment give me confidence. Thanks again

Ordinarily, it's an act of cheating on others by using AI to generate a topic and laying claim of ownership to it. It could make those other members that are constantly driving in personal  effort into making quality posts get to feel as though their efforts is not making progress or improvement whenever they have to compare an AI generator poster posts to that of theirs which was done organically of their own effort. That's just one of many reasons I don't support the use of AI in the forum for discussions.

But if the administrators would want to absorb the use of AI in anyway, then I'll suggest a dedicated board is created for all kinds of AI generated topics no matter the category or section the topics should just be posted into that very board in as much as it's AI generated. And it won't need the poster to indicate if it's AI generated or not, just by having it there common sense will tell it's AI generated.

Well I guess they just living up to their names, they are intelligent not wise, they know what it means logically by the knowledge they were inputed or have access to but can't practically make use of it. Hence Artificial intelligence and not Artificial Wisdom.
So Artificial intelligence post can be classified as Shitposting.
I thought AI post face same penalty as plagiarism posts.
Personally can't tell what an AI post looks like but I have came across posts that just looks intelligently off
Like how did a human write something like this.
I usually just brush them as their writing style or their inexperience
I usually come across them on Newbies thread and feel they don't understand the forum well to add life to their posts.
I believe Quality beats Quantity most or all the time.
Funny how I  have never used ChatGpt in my life
Don't know if it's located in a platform or an App
Maybe that explains my inability of understanding AI posts.

Detecting AI is tricky unless there are obvious copy and paste. Write an article using AI, change words where necessary, add a few lines where necessary or even remove a few lines. It become impossible to detect that the source was AI but it still is AI. The only tool we have in detecting AI is to trust our feeling.

When I read posts, if I suspect a user then I start reading his post history, it takes time but after reading a few posts somehow you generate a feeling in yourself to make a decision. Problem with this method is, I can easily be wrong and a member become a victim of my wrong conclusion.

Anyone who often uses several tools to check AI texts can already visually predict whether a post was created using GPT chat or not. I'm not talking about guaranteed detection, but such posts most often attract the eye and beg for verification. If you're talking about grammar and spell-checking tools, then your text is unlikely to be detectable as AI-written text. I see a lot of examples, and those posts that people write on their own will never (or in rare cases) be identified as AI. Therefore, there is no need for clarification.

There is the topic, and there are quite a lot of examples of how people catch spammers in GPT chat. Moderators also use their own verification methods; otherwise, how can we think that some reports are good and some remain unprocessed?

But those cases when we mark spammers as “accounts using AI” have virtually no effect on the spammers. Having received the tag, they continue to write in AI texts.

It really is like fighting windmills.

"AI" is plagiarism by definition. The only difference with "manuAl" (see what I did there?) plagiarism is that chatbots take many more inputs and uses bits and pieces of all of them. The only good thing is that if enough people spam using AI, it can't train itself anymore because it's input will be generated by AI already.

Its really going to be difficult to weed out the users who use AI and the users who don't. I wish there was some way to trace it all the way back to the text like some sort of source code embedded into the text that would tell you who the verified maker of that text was. This would make your digital signature have a lot more weight in places like this, I can see some sort of digital signature standard becoming popular in the future to prove that AI was not used in the writing or something of that sort. For use in the forum is stickily banned and anyone who partakes in this type of behavior without properly sourcing will be shown very little grace, if any.

LMAO that really made me chuckle.

I'm not sure if we will be able to combat AI completely, and I also think it will be a part of our lives no matter if we want it or not.

That "expert" is a bit biased, dont you think?

Maybe we should ask the expert   

Should a bitcoin forum allow AI posting?


ChatGPT

Allowing AI posting on a Bitcoin forum can have both benefits and drawbacks. Here are some considerations:

Benefits:

    24/7 Availability: AI can provide responses and engage in discussions at any time, ensuring continuous activity on the forum.
    Instantaneous Responses: AI can quickly answer common questions or provide information without the need for human intervention, improving user experience.
    Scalability: AI can handle a large volume of inquiries simultaneously, allowing the forum to scale efficiently as the user base grows.
    Diverse Perspectives: AI can offer different perspectives and insights based on the data it's trained on, enriching discussions.

Drawbacks:

    Quality Control: AI may produce low-quality or irrelevant responses, leading to misinformation or confusion among users.
    Lack of Emotional Intelligence: AI may struggle to understand the nuances of human communication, leading to misunderstandings or inappropriate responses.
    Ethical Concerns: AI posting raises ethical questions regarding transparency, accountability, and potential manipulation of discussions.
    Security Risks: AI could be exploited by malicious actors to spread misinformation, promote scams, or engage in other nefarious activities.

Ultimately, the decision to allow AI posting on a Bitcoin forum should consider these factors, as well as the specific goals and values of the community. Implementing proper safeguards, such as moderation and transparency measures, can help mitigate potential risks while harnessing the benefits of AI technology.

I understand that even if a post is well formatted and grammatically too correct as in the case of chatgpt, but if it doesn't fit in a place it is used, it should be called a spam. This is a discussion forum, and most of the discussions here are emotionally attached and in most cases these AI generated texts eliminate the emotions.

It is time for theymos to do something. I believe he is reluctant to do so because he believes there's no 100% sure tool for detecting AI. You can be wrongly accused and banned. So, as time unfolds there'll clear rules about AI posting. I actually do not here to be filled with randomly generated texts in the future.

Nope.

Why should I?