Artificial Intelligence on the Forum - page 3.

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Quote from: seoincorporation on May 29, 2024, 11:41:25 AM

a forum problem and not only a signatures problem.

It's all of those, and it's a problem across every social network that exists right now. Would you agree?

I mean come on, there's fake shit everywhere! XD

It's like how they teach us about "Dark matter". Apparently 99% of the universe is shit we cant see called "Dark matter".

Yeah?

Well 99% of the internet feels fake right now. Fake accounts, fake likes, fake views...

How is the data anyone selling to each other even reliable LOL? Nothing's real.

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Quote from: mindrust on May 12, 2024, 02:40:35 PM

AI posts usually don't look genuine at all. If it is a long ass post and it is on a serious subject, written with a serious language, posted by a low ranking member; >90% that's a AI generated text. There are many posts like that nowadays and the posters are mostly newbies&jr members.

Ehhhh... There's nothing new in seeing a long wall of crap from low ranking members.. what makes it look refined and more disturbing is when it comes from members like this.We still have a couple of them, especially in the gambling discussion board. now, all we need is time and dedication to show them to their fate.

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Sometimes I try some free AI tools on those texts and the AI tool says it is 100% written by a human and I can't believe it somewhat. I think they must have found a way to fool the AI detectors because I somehow don't think there are many genuine people out there who want to sign-up and write a long ass very detailed article on economics to educate us. Those must be spam.

Actually, there are potential users that write them post genuinely, without any third-party bot support whatsoever... It's always obvious as so Many users would pay attention to the wordings,sentence formation and typos, before relating it to an AI bot for comparative detection. I read this somewhere on these thread (but I can't recall where that was) - AI generated texts have been known to not be originally created by AIs. They only pick fragments of informations from different documentaries about the said topic and.... Boom, food is ready!

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Quote from: larry_vw_1955 on May 28, 2024, 11:30:33 PM

what exactly is going on here on this forum? are people getting paid bitcoins for making postings? if so one of the rules these campaign managers should have is "no ai" and if people get caught using it then the campaign manager should be punished by deleting their campaigns. you got to cut the problem off at the source. Shocked

no person in their right mind would just go and ask chatgpt questions and copy and paste them into forum threads just for free. unless they had a serious mental problem.

That's a way to try to solve the problem, but is not only about the signature campaigns. Someone could use AI to grow up accounts and then sell them or use them in an organic way once they hit legendary status, that's why i think is a forum problem and not only a signatures problem.

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Quote from: larry_vw_1955 on May 28, 2024, 11:30:33 PM

no person in their right mind would just go and ask chatgpt questions and copy and paste them into forum threads just for free.

It's the modern version of shitposting account farmers. Some even manage to earn Merit with it.

That's disgusting. Wtf?

And it's plagiarism because shitGPT just steals everything anyway like...come on -.-

Now A.I. is starting to steal video transcripts cuz it's running out of raw text on the internet to scrape:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=csSNqaFMcdw

Again I ask...WTF is going on!? Huh

. How are people just okay with this?

And don't even get me started on GEMENI oh my gosh I could rant forever about how bad this is. In the hospital setting, doctors google EVERYTHING. It's fucking dangerous!

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Quote from: larry_vw_1955 on May 28, 2024, 11:30:33 PM

no person in their right mind would just go and ask chatgpt questions and copy and paste them into forum threads just for free.

It's the modern version of shitposting account farmers. Some even manage to earn Merit with it.

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what exactly is going on here on this forum? are people getting paid bitcoins for making postings? if so one of the rules these campaign managers should have is "no ai" and if people get caught using it then the campaign manager should be punished by deleting their campaigns. you got to cut the problem off at the source. Shocked

no person in their right mind would just go and ask chatgpt questions and copy and paste them into forum threads just for free. unless they had a serious mental problem.

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Quote from: LoyceV on May 26, 2024, 09:59:17 AM

I'd argue chatbot verbal diarrhea is plagiarism by definition. I've already seen claims against those companies for using data as input without permission (which is a copyright issue). They reproduce bits and pieces of other data without sharing the original source (which is a plagiarism issue).

It is even worse than usual human plagiarism since it is more likely using copy-paste from multiple websites and than it combines everything into one single post without providing any source links.
I wouldn't be surprised if developers made AI to replace some words to make it look different, and same tactics was used by human plagiators for years.

Well, both plagiarism and AI posts should be prohibited in the forum. Otherwise, everyone will get used to it and may think it’s acceptable inside and outside the forum. And while it’s becoming the trend these days most especially in social media, but here in the forum it could be never be a trend since we are trying to emphasize here our original points of views and insights based on how we understand things, and not based on simply copy pasting and claiming the author’s post as ours.

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Quote from: LoyceV on May 26, 2024, 09:59:17 AM

I'd argue chatbot verbal diarrhea is plagiarism by definition. I've already seen claims against those companies for using data as input without permission (which is a copyright issue). They reproduce bits and pieces of other data without sharing the original source (which is a plagiarism issue).

It is even worse than usual human plagiarism since it is more likely using copy-paste from multiple websites and than it combines everything into one single post without providing any source links.
I wouldn't be surprised if developers made AI to replace some words to make it look different, and same tactics was used by human plagiators for years.

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Quote from: nutildah on May 26, 2024, 08:09:57 PM

Quote from: LoyceV on May 26, 2024, 09:59:17 AM

Quote from: The Sceptical Chymist on May 23, 2024, 09:58:05 AM

using AI isn't the same as plagiarism and as far as I can tell still falls into a grey zone--at least for now.

I'd argue chatbot verbal diarrhea is plagiarism by definition.

I'm more along this line of thinking... AI spammers are taking a body of text they didn't write and copy/pasting it, presenting it in a manner that everyone is supposed to assume they wrote it. Its highly dishonest.

Quote from: LoyceV on May 26, 2024, 09:59:17 AM

I've already seen claims against those companies for using data as input without permission (which is a copyright issue). They reproduce bits and pieces of other data without sharing the original source (which is a plagiarism issue).

Apparently Google's new AI search summary feature is unable to tell the The Onion is satire and believes everyone on Reddit is always telling the truth.

As with the other chatbot models, this can create real problems, especially when it comes to presenting nuanced & complex information that others may rely on. That's why it should be banned altogether. I suggest the forum adopt the same AI policy employed by Stack Overflow (which has been implemented for these very reasons):

Yes couldn't agree more they try to put into context from which they got out of context and pass it off as their own thought track. We should call this AI generation stealing "copypastism" or something of that nature because copy and pasting are all the end users do in this scenario hahhaaah actually the technical or well new technical term would be "promptographer" kind of like taking a picture but instead of the human using the camera to capture the picture humans only type on the keyboard and prompt the AI to create some sort of answer based on original thought. So that is interesting becuase now we are giving credit back to the humans as the original input for the work being done, so would this make us the sole owners of the output produced then? THat is a tough argument to uphold lol. I would say no, no it is not. And this rings true in the court of law today. Many a person has tried to claim AI as their own but it always comes back in the court room that any invention or work needs to be of human origin to be claimed as patentable original work.

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Quote from: LoyceV on May 26, 2024, 09:59:17 AM

Quote from: The Sceptical Chymist on May 23, 2024, 09:58:05 AM

using AI isn't the same as plagiarism and as far as I can tell still falls into a grey zone--at least for now.

I'd argue chatbot verbal diarrhea is plagiarism by definition.

I'm more along this line of thinking... AI spammers are taking a body of text they didn't write and copy/pasting it, presenting it in a manner that everyone is supposed to assume they wrote it. Its highly dishonest.

Quote from: LoyceV on May 26, 2024, 09:59:17 AM

I've already seen claims against those companies for using data as input without permission (which is a copyright issue). They reproduce bits and pieces of other data without sharing the original source (which is a plagiarism issue).

Apparently Google's new AI search summary feature is unable to tell the The Onion is satire and believes everyone on Reddit is always telling the truth.

As with the other chatbot models, this can create real problems, especially when it comes to presenting nuanced & complex information that others may rely on. That's why it should be banned altogether. I suggest the forum adopt the same AI policy employed by Stack Overflow (which has been implemented for these very reasons):

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Quote from: The Sceptical Chymist on May 23, 2024, 09:58:05 AM

using AI isn't the same as plagiarism and as far as I can tell still falls into a grey zone--at least for now.

I'd argue chatbot verbal diarrhea is plagiarism by definition. I've already seen claims against those companies for using data as input without permission (which is a copyright issue). They reproduce bits and pieces of other data without sharing the original source (which is a plagiarism issue).

I don't call it "AI", because I don't see how this is "intelligence". It reminds me of fuzzy logic a bit. If it would be intelligence, those companies wouldn't need a human CEO Wink

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It's good for us users to follow the rules of artificial intelligence on the forum, because what some people are commit in this forum is not proper, to be honest, and it's not that they don't know they only do it intentionally. After all the rules and regulations that have been given by the moderator of this forum, those who are thinking that they wisely decided they will still commit what is not supported, which is not sincerely advised for us users here.

I know that as human beings, we're individuals with differences, but at least we have to use our intelligence sometimes in whatever we apply or introduce ourselves to do to avoid falling victim to losing our energy. Because there are some users that are getting banned from this forum, the most common thing that causes it is that some have committed something like plagiarism or seen something from somewhere on the Internet and copied and pasted it, and that's what the moderator doesn't want any users to commit in this forum.

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Quote from: The Sceptical Chymist on May 23, 2024, 09:58:05 AM

I happen to agree, i.e., give those suckers a permaban that they'll never forget, except that using AI isn't the same as plagiarism and as far as I can tell still falls into a grey zone--at least for now.

There's no way any members ought to be able to use an AI program to crank out posts; that shit should be banned if caught. I've played the scenario of shitposters using AI over in my head for a while now, and I can only come to one conclusion and that is the swift downfall of any real discussion here and maybe a slightly less swift swirling down the toilet bowl for bitcointalk as a forum. Every shitposter and all of their alt accounts will be using it eventually if it isn't nipped in the bud.

Right now my big fear is detection capability and AI's ability to evade detection. I'm guessing it's going to become harder to catch these idiots as time passes? Or is it going to be something of a race? My brain aches just thinking about the possibilities and knowing what lengths the dregs of bitcointalk will go to in order to participate in bounties/campaigns/what-have-you.

Really at first, in my thought AI is the same generated posts are the same with plagiarism because I look at it all the same content therefore the way the plagiarism action is taken should be the same with the AI posters because they are of the same category. But the AI detectors or the reporters of the AI posters only report those post to be deleted so many are still in the act.

Presently people use AI more than using google search engine because for them AI is faster. Like today I was making a research of a word. At first I checked AI, and I see the meaning and I checked google search engine again to know if there will be any different meaning but to my surprise they all have the same meaning. So the punishment should be the same.

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Quote from: logfiles on May 11, 2024, 11:12:51 AM

What does the forum staff think about AI-generated posts?

I think I have made a couple of reports and nothing has been done. To me, AI generated posts should be treated just like plagiarism.
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I happen to agree, i.e., give those suckers a permaban that they'll never forget, except that using AI isn't the same as plagiarism and as far as I can tell still falls into a grey zone--at least for now.

There's no way any members ought to be able to use an AI program to crank out posts; that shit should be banned if caught. I've played the scenario of shitposters using AI over in my head for a while now, and I can only come to one conclusion and that is the swift downfall of any real discussion here and maybe a slightly less swift swirling down the toilet bowl for bitcointalk as a forum. Every shitposter and all of their alt accounts will be using it eventually if it isn't nipped in the bud.

Right now my big fear is detection capability and AI's ability to evade detection. I'm guessing it's going to become harder to catch these idiots as time passes? Or is it going to be something of a race? My brain aches just thinking about the possibilities and knowing what lengths the dregs of bitcointalk will go to in order to participate in bounties/campaigns/what-have-you.

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Quote from: Davidvictorson on May 11, 2024, 10:35:27 AM

My thoughts on this are simple. If a user is assisted in making a post through artificial intelligence, instead of the user to pass it on as knowledge coming from themselves they should do the right thing and simply put at the footnote or references, source as artificial intelligence. Doing this without adding a source is tantamount to plagiarism. However if it is overdone by a user then the attention of the user needs to be called to it and they should be cautioned. We want to see original thoughts, ideas and write up not ai generated.

Agree with this mate using an Artificial intelligence to make a post without giving some sources then it's look like a plagiarism. Cause the owner of that account using a tool to make a topic and it will never use his/her own knowledge to express what they want to express. But for me it's better to use our mind than using some tool to make our topic more professional. Cause it's a pleasure and honor to make a good work using our own knowledge than using something.

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Quote from: Davidvictorson on May 11, 2024, 10:35:27 AM

My thoughts on this are simple. If a user is assisted in making a post through artificial intelligence, instead of the user to pass it on as knowledge coming from themselves they should do the right thing and simply put at the footnote or references, source as artificial intelligence. Doing this without adding a source is tantamount to plagiarism. However if it is overdone by a user then the attention of the user needs to be called to it and they should be cautioned. We want to see original thoughts, ideas and write up not ai generated.

Except a user is using it as a reference to something, I don't think AI generated post should be used at all. I don't see any reason why somebody can use an AI to write a full post and then putting a link or stating that the post was AI generated makes it okay. I don't know if there's an expressive rule against it, but it doesn't make sense to me. It's different if you use an AI tool to correct your spelling, grammar or punctuation, but using an AI to generate a post is just wrong. It's not organic.
This is a discussion forum and in a discussion if you don't have anything to say you just be quiet and listen, you don't always have to say something. It's better to not reply to a post or create a post than posting someone else's words, that's plagiarism..

Honestly, I'll feel bad if I invest all my time reading a post (especially a lengthy one) from the beginning till the end and get to see a footnote telling me what I read was AI generated. If anyone is to use AI, it should be used as a research tool or a consultant, something that will be done with a search engine when AIs weren't rampant.

Passing another person's knowledge as yours is deceitful and punishable. Also in the same vein;
Generating emotionless texts in a middle of an ongoing real conversation is also deceitful and punishable.

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Quote from: nutildah on May 22, 2024, 09:34:58 PM

What you did is actually the correct way to use AI on the forum:

You announced that you were using AI, named the source, and then proceeded to post the material.

You're right, this makes it faster to stop reading, and click Ignore on the user. I don't get the need so many people seem to feel to share whatever a computer spits out. If I wanted to know that, I'd ask that computer myself.

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Quote from: Titanic Crypto Holdings on May 11, 2024, 03:04:33 PM

Maybe we should ask the expert Grin

Should a bitcoin forum allow AI posting?

ChatGPT

Allowing AI posting on a Bitcoin forum can have both benefits and drawbacks. Here are some considerations:
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What you did is actually the correct way to use AI on the forum:

You announced that you were using AI, named the source, and then proceeded to post the material. Ideally, the ChatGPT (which I think is used by 95% of AI spammers on the forum) portion should also be in quotes, italics, or another color, but close enough.

Quote from: Bulltard on May 20, 2024, 09:54:29 AM

and the mods dgaf.

Not true. The majority of posts I reported as "AI spam" have been deleted.

Quote from: Bulltard on May 13, 2024, 12:37:56 PM

oof i wasn't really expecting a reply but ok.
damn this place is so serious.
next time i'll add ten smileys to avoid confusion

Or if you have nothing meaningful to say, perhaps just don't post at all...

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Reporting to the Moderator and getting the post tagged is the best option. I don't see any need were people begin to use AI generated views to post were we are suppose to generate ideas ourselves and share information.

I believe this will be look into because many are indulging in it, not only should we face spammers but also members involved in this act of plagiarism and fake post.

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Isn't this forum all about learning from each other? If people begin to use AI to create topics which are not readable and non-related, of what use is it to us who are eager to learn new ideas?

I might not know much about this forum, but I believe anyone who has the interest of this forum at heart will have fresh ideas in his/her head he or she would want everyone to benefit from.

Using AI to create posts means claiming ownership of ideas that are not originally yours. That is theft and should not be encouraged in this forum.

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