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Topic: ASICMINER Blade Sales [Temporarily Out of Stock] - page 4. (Read 106003 times)

hero member
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Right, but if they sell too much ASIC mining hardware, they will cut into their own mining revenue. That alone is enough for them to keep the price of blades high.

Actually it is the complete opposite.  Why would ASICminer brother with the logistic (setup, pay for power/space/maintenance) to mine themselves if they can receive instant 1-2 years worth of bitcoin mining profit from people who can't do or don't care about math?  In another words, why would anybody in their right mind turn down collecting 1-2 years worth of salary in advance today?  Especially when you tells them in 1-2 years you will either be out of a job or your salary will be 1% of what you will be earning today for doing the same task (The current generation of ASIC useful life ends when difficulty increase 100 times in 1-2 years)?

There is a logical answer to all of this.

1. ASICMINER's farm acts as security for the network, it quite literally insures their hardware sales business by being as big or bigger than any other threat.
2. In much the same way, as AM increases the size of their farm, they increase demand on their hardware sales due to rising difficulty. A dangling carrot.
3. The farm provides predictable revenue, something hardware sales may not always provide.
member
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Right, but if they sell too much ASIC mining hardware, they will cut into their own mining revenue. That alone is enough for them to keep the price of blades high.

Actually it is the complete opposite.  Why would ASICminer brother with the logistic (setup, pay for power/space/maintenance) to mine themselves if they can receive instant 1-2 years worth of bitcoin mining profit from people who can't do or don't care about math?  In another words, why would anybody in their right mind turn down collecting 1-2 years worth of salary in advance today?  Especially when you tells them in 1-2 years you will either be out of a job or your salary will be 1% of what you will be earning today for doing the same task (The current generation of ASIC useful life ends when difficulty increase 100 times in 1-2 years)?

Wesly, you should like Esher.

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Right, but if they sell too much ASIC mining hardware, they will cut into their own mining revenue. That alone is enough for them to keep the price of blades high.

Actually it is the complete opposite.  Why would ASICminer brother with the logistic (setup, pay for power/space/maintenance) to mine themselves if they can receive instant 1-2 years worth of bitcoin mining profit from people who can't do or don't care about math?  In another words, why would anybody in their right mind turn down collecting 1-2 years worth of salary in advance today?  Especially when you tells them in 1-2 years you will either be out of a job or your salary will be 1% of what you will be earning today for doing the same task (The current generation of ASIC useful life ends when difficulty increase 100 times in 1-2 years)?
legendary
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Duelbits.com
There is only one thing you can bet with AM if you are considering buying their products. You're going to be scared to death f ever making profit with any of those while AM will make a killing on any of those. If you hope for something different you're deluded.
hero member
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Aren't you all forgetting a "little" detail in all of this price calculation? Asicminer mine! They sell shares of their mining. The devil is in the details...
Up to you now to connect the dots.

The only thing ASICMINER sells is hardware.

Right, but if they sell too much ASIC mining hardware, they will cut into their own mining revenue. That alone is enough for them to keep the price of blades high.
hero member
Activity: 518
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Aren't you all forgetting a "little" detail in all of this price calculation? Asicminer mine! They sell shares of their mining. The devil is in the details...
Up to you now to connect the dots.

The only thing ASICMINER sells is hardware.
member
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Aren't you all forgetting a "little" detail in all of this price calculation? Asicminer mine! They sell shares of their mining. The devil is in the details...
Up to you now to connect the dots.
hero member
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At 10 BTC, they would be worth buying right now. Anything more, a waste.
Possibly, possibly a little less than that.

Agreed, if he priced them at 9BTC he would sell A LOT of them, resellers would do big orders. But I have the gut feeling he will give it a try at 20/25BTC, maybe he prefers to sell 300 at 25BTC than 1,000 at 9BTC

I think the numbers you mean are 60,000 at 25BTC instead of 100,000 at 9BTC.    You do the math....
legendary
Activity: 1890
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I'm fine with throwing away single BTCs on toys, but once you get into double-digits, it's less of an impulse buy.

I'd purchase a blade at <BTC20, but that's the upper limit.

Don't lose sleep, there will be plenty of takers.
Suckers...is probably what you mean.
donator
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I'm fine with throwing away single BTCs on toys, but once you get into double-digits, it's less of an impulse buy.

I'd purchase a blade at <BTC20, but that's the upper limit.

Don't lose sleep, there will be plenty of takers.
legendary
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At 10 BTC, they would be worth buying right now. Anything more, a waste.
Possibly, possibly a little less than that.

Agreed, if he priced them at 9BTC he would sell A LOT of them, resellers would do big orders. But I have the gut feeling he will give it a try at 20/25BTC, maybe he prefers to sell 300 at 25BTC than 1,000 at 9BTC
legendary
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I'm fine with throwing away single BTCs on toys, but once you get into double-digits, it's less of an impulse buy.

I'd purchase a blade at <BTC20, but that's the upper limit.
donator
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Greed dictates it will be BTC25...and will be the last time you see those 25 coins with 10gh/s.

About 35BTC for 15GH/s OC or so.
legendary
Activity: 1890
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But we all know blades aren't selling for 50 BTC anymore.  They don't even sell for 40.  I think a reasonable price for a blade today is about 30 BTC.  So again, using above math, a reasonable price for an Avalon would be

30 BTC -> 12.5Gh/s
x BTC - > 85Gh/s

x = 204 BTC.  Still, twice as much as they are going for currently.
Half as much is the fair price?

Sounds like you are telling us that an Avalon at 100BTC is quite the sweet deal vs an ASICMiner Blade.

I have read that Avalon will soon catch up and have units for order. (not pre-order)

So it makes more sense to buy a stock Avalon than it does an ASICMiner blade.

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If the ASICMiner blades go on sale again for much less (say 10BTC) it would be in line with the proportions that you mentioned.

It sounds like FriedCat has a few arrows pointing in a certain price direction.
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Greed dictates it will be BTC25...and will be the last time you see those 25 coins with 10gh/s.
Your right, if priced by greed, it will be much higher than it should be.

25 BTC sounds about "greedy" enough. (also sounds unprofitable enough!)

Question, Avalons are now being overclocked to 100GH/s.

If people are willing to pay 50 BTC for 10Gh/s. Are people willing to buy overclockable Avalons at 10x that? (500BTC?)

If not, why?

I don't know anyone who runs their blades at 10Gh/s.  They are 12,500Gh/s overclocked, with the push of a button, and stable.  So if you're comparing apples to apples, you would compare overclocked ASIC to overclocked ASIC. 

50BTC -> 12.5Gh/s
x BTC -> 100Gh/s

x = 400 BTC, but that will never happen unless people have portable air conditioners handy that they can aim at their Avalons.  In reality, 85Gh/s is a more reasonable rate for a 3 module Avalon.  Using the same maths as above, the target price would be 340 BTC.

But we all know blades aren't selling for 50 BTC anymore.  They don't even sell for 40.  I think a reasonable price for a blade today is about 30 BTC.  So again, using above math, a reasonable price for an Avalon would be

30 BTC -> 12.5Gh/s
x BTC - > 85Gh/s

x = 204 BTC.  Still, twice as much as they are going for currently.
legendary
Activity: 1890
Merit: 1003
Greed dictates it will be BTC25...and will be the last time you see those 25 coins with 10gh/s.
Your right, if priced by greed, it will be much higher than it should be.

25 BTC sounds about "greedy" enough. (also sounds unprofitable enough!)

Question, Avalons are now being overclocked to 100GH/s.

If people are willing to pay 50 BTC for 10Gh/s. Are people willing to buy overclockable Avalons at 10x that? (500BTC?)

If not, why?
hero member
Activity: 532
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Greed dictates it will be BTC25...and will be the last time you see those 25 coins with 10gh/s.
newbie
Activity: 52
Merit: 0
At 10 btc or less i might be able to buy a couple
! Hehe
legendary
Activity: 1890
Merit: 1003
Where are people getting this strange idea that he's cutting the price of blades?

Maybe everyone is (understandably) just assuming this?

I have a little insider info I will share though:

Friedcat confirmed with me VIA PM that blades will receive a similar price cut to that of the USBs.
25BTC is still WAY overpriced.
legendary
Activity: 1890
Merit: 1003
At 10 BTC, they would be worth buying right now. Anything more, a waste.
Possibly, possibly a little less than that.
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