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Topic: ASICMINER: Entering the Future of ASIC Mining by Inventing It - page 1288. (Read 3917029 times)

rxw
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This is just a speculation, the reality will not be seen until we can trade shares again, but I think 1 BTC /share is bit on a cheap side.

If you think 1 BTC / share is undervaluing it, then no doubt you would consider the opportunity to buy my shares at 1 BTC each to be a good deal? Let me know and we'll set something up :]
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This is just a speculation, the reality will not be seen until we can trade shares again, but I think 1 BTC /share is bit on a cheap side.

edit: and, we have to remember that mining wasn't the only profit generator here.
I hate to break the speculation bubble, but please be aware that the posted (original) business plan only guaranteed a break-even first for the initial investors at a share price of 0.1BTC/share. After that the business plan is a bit fuzzy. It is up to the discretion of bitfountain, under the consultation of the ASICMINER board members, on how the "surplus" (profit beyond the 0.1BTC/share break even point) will be allocated. Large parts may simply go to a cash fund of the company for future growth and operations.

Thus if you acquire shares at a higher price point you may not be guaranteed break-even through dividend payments. You may however be able to get dividends and sell the shares after a while for a profit.

It all depends on strategic decisions down the road.

you dont get it. that doesnt change anything. if you assume they are taking strategic decisions in the best interest of shareholders and bitfountain (which i hope is true), better allocation of profit only results in higher long-term share value. I dont see how this relates to the above speculations.

anyway, if a share is really worth 1 btc, less or even more remains to be seen. as soon as we can trade again, market will show,
donator
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This is just a speculation, the reality will not be seen until we can trade shares again, but I think 1 BTC /share is bit on a cheap side.

edit: and, we have to remember that mining wasn't the only profit generator here.
I hate to break the speculation bubble, but please be aware that the posted (original) business plan only guaranteed a break-even first for the initial investors at a share price of 0.1BTC/share. After that the business plan is a bit fuzzy. It is up to the discretion of bitfountain, under the consultation of the ASICMINER board members, on how the "surplus" (profit beyond the 0.1BTC/share break even point) will be allocated. Large parts may simply go to a cash fund of the company for future growth and operations.

Thus if you acquire shares at a higher price point you may not be guaranteed break-even through dividend payments. You may however be able to get dividends and sell the shares after a while for a profit.

It all depends on strategic decisions down the road.
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I did not gave them any money and I am not going to do so.
Those pictures of tiny chip hold between 2 fingers - this supposed to be a joke?

Yes.

They said they would start an ASIC mining operation - how could that silly little chip help?
legendary
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DARKNETMARKETS.COM
Can we see photos of your ASIC hardware, please.

Can we see photos of those "samples" you made? Hello?
No photos and evidence = no trust in your words.

You already gave the money and the asset isn't being traded. I don't know what you think your trust in them will change at this exact point in time? Easing our thrill shouldn't be their priority anyway. Furthermore, I'm not sure there are assembled boards yet, and pictures of the IC's are already published here.


I did not gave them any money and I am not going to do so.
Those pictures of tiny chip hold between 2 fingers - this supposed to be a joke?
hero member
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Can we see photos of those "samples" you made? Hello?
No photos and evidence = no trust in your words.

Scroll back a few pages for photos of the chips...

edit: Sorry see post below for pics in the Blockerupter thread
hero member
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Can we see photos of your ASIC hardware, please.

Can we see photos of those "samples" you made? Hello?
No photos and evidence = no trust in your words.

You already gave the money and the asset isn't being traded. I don't know what you think your trust in them will change at this exact point in time? Easing our thrill shouldn't be their priority anyway. Furthermore, I'm not sure there are assembled boards yet, and pictures of the IC's are already published here.
legendary
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DARKNETMARKETS.COM
Can we see photos of those "samples" you made? Hello?
No photos and evidence = no trust in your words.
legendary
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Linux since 1997 RedHat 4
Did any of the IC's work when tested or haven't you got that far along in the project yet ?
... only 2 pages back ...

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.1431982
legendary
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Bitcoin is antisemitic
I think 1 BTC /share is bit on a cheap side.

Then I would largely compensate all the crapola I bought on the GLBSE. Finally luck found me.  Grin
legendary
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Did any of the IC's work when tested or haven't you got that far along in the project yet ?
legendary
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DARKNETMARKETS.COM
Can we see photos of your ASIC hardware, please.
hero member
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Don't forget price per BTC  Grin. That is the riskier part. But the most profitable  Cool
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 As the mining should get back development costs, BitFountain should be able to come in at prices around 1/3 the GH/s per $ cost BFL are trying to charge and still make a nice profit if my rough calculations are right.

If that is the case, I think I would like some of that action, depending when they would become available. 6 x 60 GH/s sounds about right. Hoping that shareholders get the preferential treatment Wink

Any estimate for the shares price once the mining starts?

I would sell all my 1252 shares for 1btc each. Only to give you an estimate for what price i would go another way than my shares. Smiley

Let's say that ASICMINER takes 1/3 of TotalNetworkHashPw and so network total is 26/TH (ASICMINER would have 6TH in this case, and rest of the network 20TH), BTC / day = 3600, so one share would generate 1.095BTC / year (3600/3 * 365 / 400 000) - expenses. Traditional investor would think 10% return of investment / year a very decent profit, it would make a share price of 10,95 BTC / share. As it is risky, lets quadruple it to 40% return, so share price now would be 2,7375 BTC.

Even if this is a very rough estimate, there is still quite large space left for improvement. For example if ASICMINER would take 37.5% of TotalNetworkHashPw and investors would only want 20% return, it would take price to 6,16 BTC / share.

This is just a speculation, the reality will not be seen until we can trade shares again, but I think 1 BTC /share is bit on a cheap side.

edit: and, we have to remember that mining wasn't the only profit generator here.
legendary
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Any estimate for the shares price once the mining starts?
Since all* the shares are owned, that really depends on what price people are willing to sell them to you at...
legendary
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Bitcoin is antisemitic
Any estimate for the shares price once the mining starts?
hero member
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Also not received an email confirming my shares  - but not worried as friedcat did say he'd not finished them due to the hardware arriving.

Will be interesting to see how many BFL pre-orders get cancelled soon as ASICMINER starts mining - as when the chance to be first mining vanishes there's no real reason to pay the heavily inflated prices first batches of ASICs are being sold for (to cover development costs).  Am hoping friedcat announces target price-points before long - so as to try to grab some of the orders currently sitting with BFL etc.  As the mining should get back development costs, BitFountain should be able to come in at prices around 1/3 the GH/s per $ cost BFL are trying to charge and still make a nice profit if my rough calculations are right.
sr. member
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Wait, so you're saying that a single entity controlling a large amount of hashrate is better for Bitcoin than many individuals receiving units and having that large amount of ASIC hashpower distributed across many people?

Huh?

It is for ASICMINER shareholders  Wink


*If* taking an ideological position a position that appreciates the intended design outcomes of bitcoin neither mining corporations or corporations that sell *overpriced* mining gear are good for bitcoin.  For varying reasons.

Being able to invest or hold equity (which ASICMiner really isn't a true equity stake) in a mining corporation is 'a good thing' only in so far as the individual being able to capitalize on a phenomena that degrades the anti-trust model that proof of work supports.
legendary
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Wait, so you're saying that a single entity controlling a large amount of hashrate is better for Bitcoin than many individuals receiving units and having that large amount of ASIC hashpower distributed across many people?

Huh?

It is for ASICMINER shareholders  Wink
Not if it brings the value of Bitcoin down so our dividends are worthless...

I, too, have not received an email regarding my shares of ASICMINER.
sr. member
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have all shareholders been confirmed?
Such a statement has not been made.

At least a couple of people have announced receiving such an email.

Like you, I have yet to receive a confirmation email.
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