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Topic: ASICMINER: Entering the Future of ASIC Mining by Inventing It - page 19. (Read 3917029 times)

sr. member
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He did not scam, he just ran

Roll Eyes

Of course the Chinese guy did not scam...
Sure, he just ran with the money and the miners to establish a farm elsewhere... Grin (not that I would believe it was not all planned and that EVERYONE in AM, not even talking about his relatives, laugh about this story that he is "missing"; missing where? on bitcointalk? lol  Wink )
legendary
Activity: 896
Merit: 1001
He did not scam, he just ran or couldn't handle the pressure, after his whole business went to pieces.

First of all he skipped a batch of chips because they did not perform well.
Regarding the next generation of chips, they did not sell well.
In the mean time, tried to build and sell miners, did not go well.
Even the liquid cooling company he had a deal with got bought by a competitor.
Depressing bitcoin prices didn't help the profitability of his chips and miners.
Cloud mining looked very promising, until his whole farm got stolen.
And in the end he did not succeed to secure enough money for a new batch of his 'promising' next generation chips.
Too many setbacks in less than a year.

Hmm, how many reasons do you need....



Sad but very true.
legendary
Activity: 2674
Merit: 1083
Legendary Escrow Service - Tip Jar in Profile
here's the most info I can find on the guy.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=974893.90;imode

FC real name appears to be Xinyu Jiang also known as Brandon Lu or Della Lu, accordingly to ninjabot, nubbins and others


And the factory is not located at Mongolia but HuaiAn City, JiangSu Province

but honestly, if I had ... how many millions? ... and wanted to disappear... AND I already was from SE asia area.... youd never see hide nor hair of me again. Lets hope he does something stupid, loses it all gambling, gets sloppy and gives away his location...

and who the hell was holding a lot of AM shares anyway? private shares i will assume? they were all in since IPO? already made a huge profit, so written the whole deal off?

I have to stop obsessing about this. its only money i guess, but geez louise man!

Are there still now infos? His wife still waiting or did she disappear (move to him) silently now? But maybe he wanted to exchange his wife anyway too. Oo

So police is still searching for him and nothing changed?

I cant believe he is a scammer though. He most probably had way better situations where he could run with way more money. Getting 10% more with already having that amount doesnt make much sense to me. So for now i think the best explaination is him being kidnapped. I mean if a criminal organisation gets the idea to get money with bitcoin then the first idea would be stealing it. And friedcat looked like an easy target.

Maybe he only could not take the stress and took some time out in a hut at a lake or so. But that doesnt sound likely.
sr. member
Activity: 518
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I finally got my balance from amhash.com back. I wrote several times to [email protected], but got no answer until a few days ago they sent me all amhash.com balance to a withdrawal address specified on amhash (got no reply email either). Their site closes in a couple of days and all goes into oblivion...
So if you didn't get your balance yet - write to the email mentioned, provide your balance, address etc and wait for incoming... Wink
hero member
Activity: 784
Merit: 1004
Glow Stick Dance!
We all know that Bitmain will just keep raising prices on us due to no competition.

It's bad for the market that BitFury went commercial cloud only. (and I still can't see how corporate cloud mining is any different, cloud mining is a loss for the customer so why would large companies buy large amounts of cloud mining?)  Huh

(ref:) http://www.coindesk.com/digitalbtc-signs-bitcoin-mining-hardware-deal-bitfury/


Bitfury (and its partners) haven't sold a retail miner in well over a year.
legendary
Activity: 1456
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Ad maiora!
here's the most info I can find on the guy.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=974893.90;imode

FC real name appears to be Xinyu Jiang also known as Brandon Lu or Della Lu, accordingly to ninjabot, nubbins and others


And the factory is not located at Mongolia but HuaiAn City, JiangSu Province

but honestly, if I had ... how many millions? ... and wanted to disappear... AND I already was from SE asia area.... youd never see hide nor hair of me again. Lets hope he does something stupid, loses it all gambling, gets sloppy and gives away his location...

and who the hell was holding a lot of AM shares anyway? private shares i will assume? they were all in since IPO? already made a huge profit, so written the whole deal off?

I have to stop obsessing about this. its only money i guess, but geez louise man!
hero member
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Inspired
What is his real name again? Anybody got it? If I can find him it's going to be broadcast everywhere. The mfckr

I have him in my contacts as XY Jiang.  Don't know if that's right or not.
legendary
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Ad maiora!
from SFARDS website:

The SFARDS team has many years of experience with ASIC technology.

Our microchip team has extensive experience with Intel microelectronics, with our senior management coming from Gridseed and Vimicro electronics’ core research to create the most complete team we possibly could.
Members of the SFARDS team were responsible for designing and mass-producing the world’s first bitcoin mining chip.

Is just me thinking it is about FriedCat?



I for one am waiting for FC to show up somewhere at the competition. I'm sure they'd take him in but at least try to keep it hush-hush. I sp. if they are only doing corporate deals, they're all cut throats so why not

What is his real name again? Anybody got it? If I can find him it's going to be broadcast everywhere. The mfckr
full member
Activity: 216
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Don't let the nam-shub in your operating system.
We all know that Bitmain will just keep raising prices on us due to no competition.

It's bad for the market that BitFury went commercial cloud only. (and I still can't see how corporate cloud mining is any different, cloud mining is a loss for the customer so why would large companies buy large amounts of cloud mining?)  Huh

(ref:) http://www.coindesk.com/digitalbtc-signs-bitcoin-mining-hardware-deal-bitfury/
legendary
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Is just me thinking it is about FriedCat?
In the grand scheme of things, why not.

However, as SFARDS spawned from GridSeed (+ WiiBox + etc.), and GridSeed's chip was largely a Gridchip design - who made a chip design independently a while back and also was involved in the first Avalon (A3256) design - it's not like they'd need him.  Plus, can you imagine the sh*tstorm if it turned out they had done so, not to mention potential legal ramifications Wink

Well if they picked ScamCat to help with that chip then it will probably be a flop/off spec/fire hazard. I hope SFARDS will deliver a quality product and sell to us small miners. We all know that Bitmain will just keep raising prices on us due to no competition.
hero member
Activity: 686
Merit: 500
FUN > ROI
Is just me thinking it is about FriedCat?
In the grand scheme of things, why not.

However, as SFARDS spawned from GridSeed (+ WiiBox + etc.), and GridSeed's chip was largely a Gridchip design - who made a chip design independently a while back and also was involved in the first Avalon (A3256) design - it's not like they'd need him.  Plus, can you imagine the sh*tstorm if it turned out they had done so, not to mention potential legal ramifications Wink
sr. member
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Merit: 250
from SFARDS website:

The SFARDS team has many years of experience with ASIC technology.

Our microchip team has extensive experience with Intel microelectronics, with our senior management coming from Gridseed and Vimicro electronics’ core research to create the most complete team we possibly could.
Members of the SFARDS team were responsible for designing and mass-producing the world’s first bitcoin mining chip.

Is just me thinking it is about FriedCat?


hero member
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Merit: 500
This is why I supported AsicMiner....as Friedcat vision was to keep it decentralized.

Likewise. If Bitcoin is to have any future it will be a decentralized one. The current centralization of mining is dangerous.

I understand that we as investors in AM have drawn the short end of the stick. So be it.

However, AM belonged to all shareholders and we should still have the IP including the ASIC designs.

Can we at the very least open source these designs and give something back to the community for the betterment of the Bitcoin ecosystem?

Well they did open source the Block Erupter as part of their strategy plan if I recall correctly, not sure on the rest of the designs though.
https://github.com/blockerupter

hero member
Activity: 761
Merit: 500
Mine Silent, Mine Deep
This is why I supported AsicMiner....as Friedcat vision was to keep it decentralized.

Likewise. If Bitcoin is to have any future it will be a decentralized one. The current centralization of mining is dangerous.

I understand that we as investors in AM have drawn the short end of the stick. So be it.

However, AM belonged to all shareholders and we should still have the IP including the ASIC designs.

Can we at the very least open source these designs and give something back to the community for the betterment of the Bitcoin ecosystem?
full member
Activity: 216
Merit: 100
Don't let the nam-shub in your operating system.
How does it make them not a scam? If you were able to withdraw your amhash.com balance it's strange because other people, including myself, could not, but don't forget that they stole your hashrate and future dividends. If even your transaction is from them... Smiley

Sorry if it was unclear, I emailed [email protected] asking about my un-withdrawn dividends and after AMHash said they sent all the bitcoins and data to AM I received the outstanding dividends. In my experience (hashie.co & others) scammers give you nothing back.  AMHash took my hash rate from hashie.co and the only issue was that the hash rate tokens were bought at a 1/4 of original price value. On that basis I concluded AM wasn't a scam, at least not originally.

So to clarify it's IMHO only that they are not a scam, or at least not like any scam I've been bitten by before.

I also kept a screen shot of my outstanding dividends incase the site went away, but I really didn't need it.

hero member
Activity: 518
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Does anyone know what address is 3KgtbGgaX2ngstNpvyv7LwpHSweVeqGbpM?

I have hacked coins that went there.

Looks like an Exchange wallet.  Most likely converted to fiat.


Huobi.com according to https://www.walletexplorer.com/
sr. member
Activity: 518
Merit: 250
I will have to say that AM (Bitquan and the AMHash guys) is not a scam. I went to the AMHash website which is almost gone now and they said they sent all data to AM. I sent another email asking for information and right after I sent it I noticed that the bitcoin address that was associated with AMHash had received the outstanding dividend amount. So I quickly sent another email thanking them.

At least one good note in this mess. And I will say I was sad to sell my AM shares...

EDIT: the date on the transaction was Yesterday so I was a bit embarrassed I missed it before I sent the email.  Roll Eyes

How does it make them not a scam? If you were able to withdraw your amhash.com balance it's strange because other people, including myself, could not, but don't forget that they stole your hashrate and future dividends. If even your transaction is from them... Smiley
full member
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Don't let the nam-shub in your operating system.
I will have to say that AM (Bitquan and the AMHash guys) is not a scam. I went to the AMHash website which is almost gone now and they said they sent all data to AM. I sent another email asking for information and right after I sent it I noticed that the bitcoin address that was associated with AMHash had received the outstanding dividend amount. So I quickly sent another email thanking them.

At least one good note in this mess. And I will say I was sad to sell my AM shares...

EDIT: the date on the transaction was Yesterday so I was a bit embarrassed I missed it before I sent the email.  Roll Eyes
legendary
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So nobody produces and ships anything or what? Smiley Maybe they are very busy with next gen.
The original poster had a specific set of limitations:
- .28J/Gh chip
- .28J/Gh miner
That eliminates most of them to begin with - if not on the first one (though honestly most developers have only recently been posting fudged numbers on efficiency) then almost certainly on the second one.

But yes, Spondoolies-Tech is out of stock and seems to be in the process of changing their business model - see also the bitcoin shop 'letter of intent' to merge with them.

On the up side, there's other companies trying to fill the void - SFARDS has a new chip coming out, LK Group is planning one, Lightning ASIC may or may not be planning one, 21 Inc may be announcing things, etc.  Unfortunately though, the climate is very much heading towards further consolidation (seem my ranty rant post on that subject), and except for SFARDS none of them have made any positive statements with regard to small scale mining.

I was thinking about how the market has condensed..

Essentially if I am correct, within six months the amount of vendors offering ASICs for retail mining sales (consumer availability) will be zero, and power-efficient mining (chips of .28nm or smaller) will be solely in the hands of large centralized parties...

Hash rate will stagnate and rhe major entities will hold status quo until the next halving... Then without major asic breakthroughs in efficiency we will probably see some major players drop out or unplug. 

Power draws don't drop exponentially, but costs of smaller and smaller masks/designs do escalate.. and the halving will alter running costs dramatically.

I envision 2016-17 as a battleground where the 'Bitcoin Network' essentially is owned by 5-6 Large entities who control the majority of the hash rate...and therefore collect most of the mining fees... The new world conglomerates if you will.

Any new entrants who even try to compete will need a competing design and +$10-20Million just to start playing the Asic game...and a lot of coins to capture at 12/block just to break even.

End Game.

This is why I supported AsicMiner....as Friedcat vision was to keep it decentralized... Now that he's gone, and private people can't own a share in a future mining conglomerate, all we can hope for is to buy/hold/use bitcoin itself.



As long as there's no one entity can control the whole network, it is decentralized.
sr. member
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Not that it does much good discusing it now, and the only man who could answer is not here to do so.
But why did Friedcat not come clean and seek crowdfunding?
I would have rathered go double or nothing and find some cash to throw in and save the company by making the chips.
We might of had to dilute shares, but anything would be better than this sorry mess.
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