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Topic: ASICMINER: Entering the Future of ASIC Mining by Inventing It - page 417. (Read 3917543 times)

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The advantage of applying immersion cooling is mostly spatial [1]: it saves space by allowing a very high energy (hashing) density, and it loosens the constraints on where the miner rigs can be deployed. However, space doesn't seem to be a bottleneck as of now, but it might be in the (near) future. With immersion cooling the cost of the cooling fluids will become a nonnegligible (if not major) part of the whole operation, a consistent and calculated design of the PCB boards and the metal cooling tanks can minimize the consumption of cooling fluids and thus reduce costs. So, there's a lot of work to do other than manufacturing efficient hashing chips.

[1] Google data centers can achieve a PUE (Power Usage Effectiveness) of less than 1.06 [2], so I don't think a PUE of of less than 1.02 [3] achieved with immersion cooling is spectacularly impressive.
[2] https://www.google.com/about/datacenters/efficiency/internal/
[3] http://www.allied-control.com/publications/Full_Version_Bitcoin_2-Phase_Immersion_Cooling_and_the_Implications_for_HPC.pdf

Saving 5% on electricity is definitely important for any large datacenter and the methods google uses to cool are very extreme and expensive.

The average datacenter would save something like 20% on electricity costs in addition to the high density as you mentioned.
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The advantage of applying immersion cooling is mostly spatial [1]: it saves space by allowing a very high energy (hashing) density, and it loosens the constraints on where the miner rigs can be deployed. However, space doesn't seem to be a bottleneck as of now, but it might be in the (near) future. With immersion cooling the cost of the cooling fluids will become a nonnegligible (if not major) part of the whole operation, a consistent and calculated design of the PCB boards and the metal cooling tanks can minimize the consumption of cooling fluids and thus reduce costs. So, there's a lot of work to do other than manufacturing efficient hashing chips.

[1] Google data centers can achieve a PUE (Power Usage Effectiveness) of less than 1.06 [2], so I don't think a PUE of of less than 1.02 [3] achieved with immersion cooling is spectacularly impressive.
[2] https://www.google.com/about/datacenters/efficiency/internal/
[3] http://www.allied-control.com/publications/Full_Version_Bitcoin_2-Phase_Immersion_Cooling_and_the_Implications_for_HPC.pdf
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Well Rockminer made a twitter blog since they are sort of related
https://twitter.com/RockMinerInc

looking forward for chips performance on that R-box board Tongue this time 4chips

Same and darn saw it before I changed it to twitter account since I was thinking wait twitter doesn't blog lol Smiley

Guess I'll post the chips as well this time since I'm replying

nice to see that.
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I have some shares that I purchased on btc-tc and can see dividend payouts to the ownership address I gave. What is the process to transfer these shares to an exchange or otherwise verify my access to them?
If you are able to sign a message with that address, confirming that you do own it and the shares, then the directions to import your shares to havelock are on AM1 overview page:
https://www.havelockinvestments.com/fund.php?symbol=AM1
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I came across a relevant post on immersion cooling (very informative):

Two Phase Open Bath Immersion Cooling Thread (https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/two-phase-open-bath-immersion-cooling-thread-313087)

Some interesting points from that post:

  • Open bath immersion cooling makes the tank easier and cheaper to construct and the system is never pressurized at dangerous pressures.
  • 3M has conducted experiments cooling 4KW heat loads using 1L of working fluid so in theory heat densities approaching 4,000 W/L are possible.
  • For two phase immersion cooling we are interested in fluids which boil below the temperature limits of ASICs.
  • It is not possible with two phase cooling to have temperatures less than the boiling point of the working fluid.
  • The cost depends on supplier and volume being purchased but generally runs $80 to $100 per Liter.
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I have some shares that I purchased on btc-tc and can see dividend payouts to the ownership address I gave. What is the process to transfer these shares to an exchange or otherwise verify my access to them?
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RM is apparently expecting to sell 10PH this year. Meaning profit of somewhere between XBT 0.014 and 0.039 per share from just one customer.

How many more customers are there?
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Anyone can make an ASIC? That's like saying Oppenheimer was no more skilled than the village idiot.

The liquid cooled system is child's play in comparison especially since it's using Novec a 3M patented product whom would mainly benefit financially. Building big bulky tanks and heat exchangers in this day and age seems hardly lucrative. Boiler room shit.
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anyone can make an asic, but very few people can set up a cooling system like that (patents, technology, etc).

Nonsense. To develop an asic you need skilled system architecture, design and validation engineers, access to a fab and fab IP, etc, and last but not least, a shitload of money. Its definately something not anyone can make.

Immersion cooling otoh basically requires basic plumbing and a high tec cooling fluid, which is what 3M provides, not AM.
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Well Rockminer made a twitter blog since they are sort of related
https://twitter.com/RockMinerInc

looking forward for chips performance on that R-box board Tongue this time 4chips

Interesting visual representation of the economy of scale as 4 gen 3's on a single board should theoretically hash more than an overclocked cube.

This iteration appears will have more than one oscillator. Edit: on closer inspection so did the single chip version.
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Learning the troll avoidance button :)
Well Rockminer made a twitter blog since they are sort of related
https://twitter.com/RockMinerInc

looking forward for chips performance on that R-box board Tongue this time 4chips

Same and darn saw it before I changed it to twitter account since I was thinking wait twitter doesn't blog lol Smiley

Guess I'll post the chips as well this time since I'm replying
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Well Rockminer made a twitter blog since they are sort of related
https://twitter.com/RockMinerInc

looking forward for chips performance on that R-box board Tongue this time 4chips
legendary
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Learning the troll avoidance button :)
Well Rockminer made a twitter account since they are sort of related
https://twitter.com/RockMinerInc

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.6243791
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friedcat finally handled a lot of shareholder transfers the last couple days, so I'm expecting a dividend finally today.
Possible we are off the trend of Wednesday dividends kind of get used to them and some chips were sent out albeit test ones
Might see a modest dividend today
Well, this week dividend can be only from mining, and that's 25.7 btc.
I don't expect from friedcat to pay out dividends from chip sales before chips are delivered to customers, even if they did pay in advance.
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friedcat finally handled a lot of shareholder transfers the last couple days, so I'm expecting a dividend finally today.

Good luck with that, the last dividend payouts were

20140330
20140320
20140312
20140305

See the pattern?

We've had months with no dividends before, with no communication. They're busy and they keep their heads low. I have less reason than ever to be concerned about no dividends.
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friedcat finally handled a lot of shareholder transfers the last couple days, so I'm expecting a dividend finally today.

Good luck with that, the last dividend payouts were

20140330
20140320
20140312
20140305

See the pattern?
legendary
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Learning the troll avoidance button :)
friedcat finally handled a lot of shareholder transfers the last couple days, so I'm expecting a dividend finally today.

Possible we are off the trend of Wednesday dividends kind of get used to them and some chips were sent out albeit test ones
Might see a modest dividend today
vip
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friedcat finally handled a lot of shareholder transfers the last couple days, so I'm expecting a dividend finally today.
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My take is that some investment fund values the company in USD, RMB and possibly some stock index basis, not in pure BTC. Exercise to the reader: find the mix
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200+ shares down on Havelock... holy cow!

Indeed and if you look closely, it occurred about the same time as BTC broke 500 USD (which last occurred at the end of March). Someone wants to play with the exchanges.

Care to elaborate?
Isn't this simply because people are afraid due to a lack of news from AM and: 1) Someone is confident and wanted a lot of shares, luring people to sell a ton to him. Or 2) someone wanted to stabilize the price and created a big 200 wall as a psychological safety-net, which plain and simple got eaten completely?

All I was trying to say was due to the sudden rise of BTC, someone sold their shares because they are under the impression that they can more BTC by trading BTC:USD (in the next couple days) and buy them back, as opposed to just holding AM shares. This is all merely speculation.
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