Topic: ASICMINER: Entering the Future of ASIC Mining by Inventing It - page 703. (Read 3917468 times)

I agree with this, I'm bothered by the people that like to dwell on the fact that it was a symbol well before it was re-defined worldwide.  But what can you do...

Although BTC Garden had their IPO cancelled, they are still progressing with their own ASIC design and hardware sales. I'm not sure if Myminer are still progressing, but I wouldn't count them out just yet.

Bitmine.ch have moved on from the Avalon clone service and now they have their own ASIC as well: https://bitmine.ch/?page_id=863

Edit: Added Bitmine.ch details

In Re to the Swastika

http://www.flickr.com/photos/49337086@N07/4525274963/

Hopefully this ends the discussions. The symbols aren't the same and the one in his avatar predates the Nazi's by over 2400 years

I agree with this, I'm bothered by the people that like to dwell on the fact that it was a symbol well before it was re-defined worldwide.  But what can you do...

Sorry I thought WW1/WW2 was considered real history.  

Heres my question for you and anyone else that knows a good bit about chips.  Will having the competitors' 28 nm chips help friedcat (or any person) develop his own 28 nm more quickly? 

Sorry first portion got chopped off.  I fixed it.

The ones in parenthesis are called half nodes.  In the early days there was just one standardized sets of process nodes.  Each one was linearly 70% of the prior node.  Remember chips are two dimensional so if you cut the length of a gate by 30% then you will cut the area by (0.7^2) by roughly half.  So each process node roughly doubles the number of transistors per square mm.

However the time between major node jumps is at least two years and later that has been slowing down.  For products which need faster improvement cycles (namely GPU) fabs began offering half node equipment.  Also it is sometimes possible for a fab to be upgraded to the half node improvement extending the ecnonomical lifespan of the chip.  Today the use of the term "half nodes" is kinda dated because many designs (like GPUs) simply upgrade only on the half node (i.e. 40nm, 28nm, 20nm).  For all intents and purposes they are just another standardized fabrication size.

As for ASICMiner vs Avalon 110nm is a different process node than 130nm.  For a given design, in theory it will result in smaller transistors, higher clock speed, and more chips per wafer. However the improvements aren't as significant as a full node jump.  If ASICMiner used 110nm instead of 130nm everything else being the same we would expect them to have ~40% higher wafer density (130nm/110nm)^2.  Still Avalon vs ASICMiner brings up a good point.  It shows that DESIGN matters a lot.  Despite the 40% "disadvantage" ASICMiner is more than competitive with Avalon.  Nothing indicates they have higher cost, energy consumption, or lower hashing density. Bitfury (55nm) chips beating KNC (28nm) is another example.  So process node matters but it is only half the equation.

Of course given the NRE costs nobody is going to make a half node jump.  Makes much more sense for ASICMiner to jump down 1 or more full process nodes.

Yeah div predictions! I think 0.01 max. But more importantly... an update..... we are dying to know what exactly was happening behind the curtains all this time....

Like what was posted a minute ago. Not tilted, other direction. Ancient symbol with a beautiful meaning. About time people learn real history.

Heard you the first time.. that doesn't mean his actions didn't change the meaning of the symbol.  When someones actions make it famous, then it carries a different meaning for most uneducated people not even trying to change their condition. 

A MADMAN chose a symbol that existed LONG before his birth. He corrupted that symbol and used it as a symbol of terror.

Sorry I thought WW2 was considered real history.   

Like what was posted a minute ago. Not tilted, other direction. Ancient symbol with a beautiful meaning. About time people learn real history.

this symbol is indeed pretty sensitive in some western countries.

I am a muslim Arab born and raised in Mecca. Married to a Buddhist. I would know if adopting the swastika as an avatar was offensive and I know what he wrote and the way he wrote it is damn offensive and stereotyping.

Lets not dwell in this anymore in this thread. The guy was a jerk please don't defend him. Thanks for understanding.

yeah I find the swastika offensive.