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Topic: ASICMINER: Entering the Future of ASIC Mining by Inventing It - page 791. (Read 3917468 times)

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Oops I didn't take into account that BTC could drop to $1, in which case 50BTC/share could be possible, assuming am gets into non-bitcoin related ventures.   Roll Eyes

And the USD could of course become increasingly worthless thanks to QE. I have several 100 trillion Zimbabwe dollar notes, maybe we will see their US dollar equivalents in the future when 50 billion USD will be chump change.  Cheesy
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Our society is addicted to oil -- it is the only thing keeping it alive.  We can't sustain an overpopulated world with solar and wind power.  Without oil our economies would crumble and we would living in the dark ages -- except imagine the dark ages with a million times more people.   Shocked
We can survive without bitcoin, no matter how popular it will become.   Roll Eyes  It's value will never be comparable to oil because it's not a necessary resource.

I couldn't disagree more with this statement. 100 years ago, oil was hardly used for anything (we mostly used coal, wood, or horses to power things). Back then, anybody would tell you that "we can survive without oil" and it was a completely true statement at the time. Later, the world became dependent on oil for everything because oil is a highly convenient fuel. I don't think it takes a lot of imagination to see that the world might become highly dependent on bitcoin in the future.
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Our society is addicted to oil -- it is the only thing keeping it alive.  We can't sustain an overpopulated world with solar and wind power.  Without oil our economies would crumble and we would living in the dark ages -- except imagine the dark ages with a million times more people.   Shocked
We can survive without bitcoin, no matter how popular it will become.   Roll Eyes  It's value will never be comparable to oil because it's not a necessary resource.

The last 20 years of R&D put into renewable energy resources and biofuels would like to disagree with you. We still use oil because we can. If push came to shove, the proper adjustments will be made and we could survive w/o oil. That's the thing about humanity, we don't change until it's too late. However this discussion is meant for other forums.
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Our society is addicted to oil -- it is the only thing keeping it alive.  We can't sustain an overpopulated world with solar and wind power.  Without oil our economies would crumble and we would living in the dark ages -- except imagine the dark ages with a million times more people.   Shocked
We can survive without bitcoin, no matter how popular it will become.   Roll Eyes  It's value will never be comparable to oil because it's not a necessary resource.
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I'm well aware of transaction fees; their potential simply does not justify ASICMiner's P/E of 100, especially as their first mover advantage is about to come under fire. The magnitude of the hype around this company is unreal.

How do you come up with a P/E of 100?

P/E = (share price)/(earnings of last 6 months*) = 4 BTC/0.5 BTC -> P/E of 8

*should be "earnings of last 12 months but AM's only been mining for 6 mos.

Correct or no?

P/E is annualized so you should convert the earnings of the past x months to 12 months before computing the P/E.
Still I wanted to see how the person I was responding to computed a P/E of 100.  I have a feeling it will be "fun".

In order for AM to have a P/E of 100, share prices would have to be 50 BTC/share. I'm bullish on AM but I don't see that as a possibility (at least in the near term).
EDIT: I can confirm that they've paid 0.50 BTC/share, I've kept record of every single dividend payout since Feb 28.

That would mean a market cap of 50 billion dollars.  That doesn't even make sense.. ever..


Why? Facebook was valued at $100 billion using a P/E ratio of ~100 (I think that was part of the rationale anyway). If ASICMiner maintained clear leadership over the bitcoin mining space in the next 2-3 years I think a multi-billion dollar valuation would make a lot of sense. About a hundred years ago, many people didn't think that drilling for oil was very valuable... it's hard to see the Exxon's of tomorrow (Exxon market cap is ~$400 billion).
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Oops I didn't take into account that BTC could drop to $1, in which case 50BTC/share could be possible, assuming am gets into non-bitcoin related ventures.   Roll Eyes
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I'm well aware of transaction fees; their potential simply does not justify ASICMiner's P/E of 100, especially as their first mover advantage is about to come under fire. The magnitude of the hype around this company is unreal.

Lets just call it the arse equation

(Well unless the price of bitcoin really collapsed then we have other things to worry about)
(Inverse is proportional to an exchange conversation due to limitations in the bitcoin total only so many bitcoins existing means valuations can increase but in BTC per unit lowers at large enough scales)
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I'm well aware of transaction fees; their potential simply does not justify ASICMiner's P/E of 100, especially as their first mover advantage is about to come under fire. The magnitude of the hype around this company is unreal.

How do you come up with a P/E of 100?

P/E = (share price)/(earnings of last 6 months*) = 4 BTC/0.5 BTC -> P/E of 8

*should be "earnings of last 12 months but AM's only been mining for 6 mos.

Correct or no?

P/E is annualized so you should convert the earnings of the past x months to 12 months before computing the P/E.
Still I wanted to see how the person I was responding to computed a P/E of 100.  I have a feeling it will be "fun".

In order for AM to have a P/E of 100, share prices would have to be 50 BTC/share. I'm bullish on AM but I don't see that as a possibility (at least in the near term).
EDIT: I can confirm that they've paid 0.50 BTC/share, I've kept record of every single dividend payout since Feb 28.

That would mean a market cap of 50 billion dollars.  That doesn't even make sense.. ever..
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I'm well aware of transaction fees; their potential simply does not justify ASICMiner's P/E of 100, especially as their first mover advantage is about to come under fire. The magnitude of the hype around this company is unreal.

How do you come up with a P/E of 100?

P/E = (share price)/(earnings of last 6 months*) = 4 BTC/0.5 BTC -> P/E of 8

*should be "earnings of last 12 months but AM's only been mining for 6 mos.

Correct or no?

P/E is annualized so you should convert the earnings of the past x months to 12 months before computing the P/E.
Still I wanted to see how the person I was responding to computed a P/E of 100.  I have a feeling it will be "fun".

In order for AM to have a P/E of 100, share prices would have to be 50 BTC/share. I'm bullish on AM but I don't see that as a possibility (at least in the near term).

EDIT: I can confirm that they've paid 0.50 BTC/share, I've kept record of every single dividend payout since Feb 28 (first payout).
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I'm well aware of transaction fees; their potential simply does not justify ASICMiner's P/E of 100, especially as their first mover advantage is about to come under fire. The magnitude of the hype around this company is unreal.

How do you come up with a P/E of 100?

P/E = (share price)/(earnings of last 6 months*) = 4 BTC/0.5 BTC -> P/E of 8

*should be "earnings of last 12 months but AM's only been mining for 6 mos.

Correct or no?

P/E is annualized so you should convert the earnings of the past x months to 12 months before computing the P/E.
Still I wanted to see how the person I was responding to computed a P/E of 100.  I have a feeling it will be "fun".
hero member
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I'm well aware of transaction fees; their potential simply does not justify ASICMiner's P/E of 100, especially as their first mover advantage is about to come under fire. The magnitude of the hype around this company is unreal.

How do you come up with a P/E of 100?

P/E = (share price)/(earnings of last 6 months*) = 4 BTC/0.5 BTC -> P/E of 8

*should be "earnings of last 12 months" but AM's only been mining for 6 mos.  

Correct or no?
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Gerald Davis
I'm well aware of transaction fees; their potential simply does not justify ASICMiner's P/E of 100, especially as their first mover advantage is about to come under fire. The magnitude of the hype around this company is unreal.

How do you come up with a P/E of 100?
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Learning the troll avoidance button :)

So I wasn't the only one watching RT today  Wink
They have been talking a lot about bitcoin lately it's been interesting to watch their talks

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I'm well aware of transaction fees; their potential simply does not justify ASICMiner's P/E of 100, especially as their first mover advantage is about to come under fire. The magnitude of the hype around this company is unreal.
How do you figure P/E of 100?
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I'm well aware of transaction fees; their potential simply does not justify ASICMiner's P/E of 100, especially as their first mover advantage is about to come under fire. The magnitude of the hype around this company is unreal.

I think you confuse hype with trust based on a history of strong performance and promises kept. There are obviously competitive threats facing the company, but to date, no one has come close to AM's track record. Many of us take those threats very seriously, but since we're dealing with imperfect information, you can't expect people to blindly bet on other horses when none have gotten very far out of the gate.

If you are entering this space for the first time, perhaps you'd place your bets on another company, but each of them has their own hype machine at work, and none have AM's record of success.

All of that said, I don't see what is to be gained by coming here and telling AM shareholders how bleak the future looks. If your analysis leads you to believe that AM is overvalued, invest accordingly and keep your perceived strategic advantage to yourself. That's how the smart money generally works anyway.
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Basic math shows how overpriced the shares are: there are ~10million more bitcoins left to be mined over the next century or so. Even if ASICMiner were able to maintain 20% of the total network hashrate throughout that period (breathtakingly unlikely), they'd only mine 2million BTC. Split between the 400,000 shares that creates an upper limit of 5BTC/share.

You did forget the hardware sales


You forgot 2 things:

1) If a company is selling shovels to those looking for gold. Can the company make more than all the gold that exists in the world? Obviously YES. AsicMiner is selling shovels. I saw someone try and estimate the amount of hashing by asicminer hardware (sales + it's own) - i think it was more like 30% of total network speed.
2) Transaction fees. When bitcoin takes off we should see transaction fees drastically increase, thus the about 'mined' is infinite.

This is correct. If Bitcoin is to succeed, then AM will likely be around for a long time. If there is mass adoption of Bitcoin, block rewards could be higher than they are now.

Does anyone else find it interesting that the share price of ASICMINER has seemed to move inversely proportional to the price of BTC? Perhaps this is do to the recent string of IPOs and people looking to make a 'quick buck'. IMO, ASICMINER is a leveraged bet on the success of BTC and if BTC is successful then ASICMINER is vastly undervalued at current levels.

From a long-term point of view, I think ASICMiner share price should keep track of the bitcoin price at the short time scale, but on the other hand, ASICMiner share price may be the other case in bitcoin at a long time scale.
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Theoretically, ASICMiner could start selling hot dogs if it made business sense. Thus, the profits from the dividends are not constrained in any way by the number of bitcoins remaining to be mined.
Hotcats? Maybe even fried?
that's a BTC100,000,000 idea right there...

Fried, Hot Cats sold from a Garden, with ICE tea on the side :-)

I think that Hot Cats are bASICally, nasty from a nutritional standpoint.  I wouldn't want to be anyone's Lab Rat with regard to finding out whether it is safe to eat.  It's entirely possible that they feed them (BTC)Growth hormones to get them meaty enough. When it comes to chemicals in food, it's like a sandstorm of possible problems that could arise.



Guys, I filled this thread with alot of nonesense for many months now and got numerous  ignores...... But you really opened my eyes to the necessity of this button......

I feel truly sorry for you.
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Basic math shows how overpriced the shares are: there are ~10million more bitcoins left to be mined over the next century or so. Even if ASICMiner were able to maintain 20% of the total network hashrate throughout that period (breathtakingly unlikely), they'd only mine 2million BTC. Split between the 400,000 shares that creates an upper limit of 5BTC/share.

sigh, and once again we hit this discussion.  Just continues that once every 3 to 4 pages some ignorant fool pops up who can't/doesn't read and tries to state share price valuation like he has any idea how bitcoin works.  Well once again here is the answer.  The idea behind bitcoin is that transaction fees will increase by then to a point where they alone will be compensation enough for miners to continue mining.  This effectively destroys your "upper limit" as the same coins can be mined multiple times as TX fees.

Please do some homework before posting crap like its fact, its getting pretty sickening.

I'm well aware of transaction fees; their potential simply does not justify ASICMiner's P/E of 100, especially as their first mover advantage is about to come under fire. The magnitude of the hype around this company is unreal.
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Learning the troll avoidance button :)
Theoretically, ASICMiner could start selling hot dogs if it made business sense. Thus, the profits from the dividends are not constrained in any way by the number of bitcoins remaining to be mined.
Hotcats? Maybe even fried?
that's a BTC100,000,000 idea right there...

Fried, Hot Cats sold from a Garden, with ICE tea on the side :-)

I think that Hot Cats are bASICally, nasty from a nutritional standpoint.  I wouldn't want to be anyone's Lab Rat with regard to finding out whether it is safe to eat.  It's entirely possible that they feed them (BTC)Growth hormones to get them meaty enough. When it comes to chemicals in food, it's like a sandstorm of possible problems that could arise.



Guys, I filled this thread with alot of nonesense for many months now and got numerous  ignores...... But you really opened my eyes to the necessity of this button......

I'll be honest they opened up the possibilities of name jokes on the forum lol.... (Security ticker jokes thread anyone T_T)
Geez why do most of the bitcoin securities somewhat fit properly into various sentences  Wink

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