Topic: Assault weapon bans - page 27. (Read 36627 times)

Really? So what are the US soldiers on the "collateral murder" video leaked by B. Manning? They killed +10 unarmed civilians and seriously injured two kids (which are probably dead now), and they really enjoyed the view of the corpses of the people they just killed... "look at that... Nice" they said to each other while admiring the torn apart bodies on their chopper screen.

Sad thing is they are no different from all other soldiers deployed in war zones, those guys are probably heroes in their neighborhoods, and are the best example of proud American soldier who went to defend their country for their friends.

On a side note, its pitiful to see how obsessed are some of you about random people raping your wife and kids. Is the world so fucked up where you live that you really fear that?

I guess the US is founded on fear. You fear some evil bearded men that will come and try to take your beloved freedom away, so your government can just strip you of the most basic rights (what an irony), while the US military can justify horrendous crimes commited all over the world. You fear your neighbour, so you end up violence as some necessary evil you need to master to protect, again, your freedom.

Mainstream religion is awful.  I'll agree with that.  Don't mix up godliness with religion, they are typically as different as water and oil.

M

Maybe they just want to be martyrs. If they simply didn't say anything about their Darwin award-winningly moronic choice to be defenseless, then they'd just be another statistic of a defenseless person (and anyone in their negligent care) victimized with impunity by a criminal.

The victim disarmament movement needs martyrs/martyr creators, like Gabby Giffords, who held her event in a "federal gun free school zone*" without any law enforcement present, so, utterly predictably, only a criminal had a gun to use to help her further circularly justify disarming only innocents with "gun control" via a horrific death toll of disarmed innocents. Couldn't appear any more like a bloody conspiracy to eliminate civil rights if anyone tried.

*of which the only exemption for civilians being able to carry a gun inside is to have an unconstitutional carry permit, which, under Arizona's Constitutional Carry law, is not required everywhere else.

I've had a few animal encounters too.  One was with a fucking shovel against a rabid thing that was in attack mode.  That consisted of my bashing the head in.  And if I'd even been able to get away, it would likely have gone after someone else, maybe a kid.

It was dangerous, and totally sickening and gross.

That caused me to go get a 22 rifle and subsonic hollow point for it.  Yeah, there was a background check but no real difficult hoops to jump through.

Some of these people posting who know it all, they just need to shut up sometimes.

LOL yeah......no bad guys....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWvWyYz9ttk

You know, as an example take the poor victims in this Kubrick movie.

They might have lived in a place where guns were not allowed.

Or they might have had some internal morality that told them guns were bad.

I really, really don't care.

Ain't happening to me or those in my care.

Meanwhile poseurs lecture ponderously about how WE SHOULD BEHAVE and how GUNS ARE BAD and how WE SHOULD GET WITH THE PROGRAM.

So...does it pay well, to project such on the Internet?  Just curious....

What's ironic is right above that he said this:


If criminals are not "bad guys", then therefore these said criminals are okay in his book.

M

You are born free.  What you choose to do from there, and whether the government(s) that exists in your jurisdiction honors that or not is a different story.  Where do you think morality comes from if not godliness?

M

SO....

you haven't had any little encounters with the 'bad guys', have you?

LOL...

That's more twisted logic.  It's okay for bad guys to break into your house because they know you aren't armed and can't defend yourself.  Them raping your wife and children in front of you when you, then killing them and you (with a knife) because you aren't allowed to defend yourself is much better than you be able to use a gun to protect your family.  Not!


That's wrong.  Law abiding citizens exercising their God given right to defend themselves by carrying a gun is NOT the cause of crime.  It's unlawful individuals that lack morals (which stems from a lack of godliness).  The solution, as others have said, is to take care of the cause which is lack of morality.  Guns have nothing to do with it.

M

I think that's the flaw in your logic.  There are good and bad guys.  You can't protect people from stupidity, and punishing everyone because of one is erroneous, because the outcome will be worse.

M

I'd carry one everywhere if I was allowed.  Instead I work for a corporation who thinks that a no gun policy makes us safer.  A whole floor in the office building could be killed by someone who ignores that policy before the police arrive.

Yes, it's a responsibility.  EVERYTHING is a responsibility.  Get over it.

M

Wow, you have some really twisted logic.  Driving a car would be an encumbrance too.  One mistake, and people get injured!  Oh, and walking is an encumbrance too.  You can trip!

M

I'm not sure why you continue to repeat that fallacy.

M

Well, with guns there is a sort of vicious circle going on in the US. As you said, its true that criminals DO have guns in Europe, and its not so difficult to buy one on the black market... But criminals (mostly drug dealers, "mafia" members, etc.) just do not carry guns around, they have them to kill other criminals or defend themselves from other criminals (or the police, if needed). In Europe, Spain, etc. you won't read about a random guy killed in his house (or on the street) because a robbery/assault, you will read about a drug dealer being executed by another drug dealer (just happened not so long ago near my house), russian gang members killing each other, etc... And still this happens just a few dozens times per year in countries with +50 million inhabitants, and nobody in my country feels unsafe or with the need to carry a gun.

Why? Well, as ALL citizens are unarmed, criminals are just less violent, especially with normal citizens. They do not fear for their life when they steal your call/break into your house (they know nobody will shoot at them... Not even the police!), so they really do not need to carry a gun, considering that committing a crime using a gun (even if you do not fire it) might get you tenfold the time of jail you would get if you commit the same crime unarmed. See, there is no need for criminals to use guns against unarmed citizens, from one side they are "safe" and there is no threat for their lifes, from the other side going around with a loaded gun is a huge crime in Europe which would get them A LOT of additional jail time, so its just plain stupid to carry guns.

So, there you have the vicious circle - you say criminals are violent, so you arm yourselves and prepare for the fight and criminals get more violent and prepare for the fight. Honestly, the fact you have people like Holliday, who just carries a gun by default, makes a society violent, because you have a lot of random citizens carrying deadly weapons and they are ready (and it seems even proud) to use them.

Last but not least, I honestly do not believe there are "bad" and "good" guys. The best people in the world do stupid things at times. The point is that the less violent is a society, the better for everybody - and the US is a very violent society. I acknowledge there are some areas where you NEED a gun, but that is sick and should be addressed ASAP.

Just a little perspective from someone who has seen both sides of this (and, just to be transparent here, yes I do own a gun.. as well as a crossbow and several swords and knives). I grew up in and around Los Angeles, California. As most of you probably know, gun control there is pretty strict by American standards. Even if you're transporting a gun legally, you can expect a lot of hassle from the police if you get pulled over. In spite of California's "may issue" concealed carry laws, it's virtually impossible for anyone who isn't a police officer, politician or celebrity to get a concealed carry license. Purchasing and owning a gun legally is hard, carrying or transporting it legally is even harder. Growing up in L.A. gun violence was an almost every day occurrence. It wasn't too uncommon to see a neighbour’s house sprayed with automatic weapons (typically an Uzi or an AK-47). The gang members had pretty easy access to these weapons, and even easier access to handguns and semi-auto rifles, while law abiding citizens had to jump through hoops to protect themselves and the police were unwilling and/or unable to help.

Now I live in a small rural desert town. Everybody here owns a gun, most people here carry since it's legal to open carry and a concealed carry license is pretty easy to get (self-defense is considered a legitimate reason for a license by the local Sheriff's department). Even with nearly everyone carrying guns, either openly or concealed, shootings are rare. In the 5 years I've lived here, two people have been shot, one was an accident and the other was a legitimate case of self-defense. There are far more stabbings than shootings. There are also legitimate reasons to own and carry a gun even in the absence of gun violence, there are wild animals here that can and will kill an unarmed person, I've personally fired my gun twice in self-defense against wild animals (a rattlesnake and a mountain lion).

I feel safer and more comfortable here than I ever did in L.A., I'd even go as far as to say that even if I didn't own a gun myself I'd still feel safer and more comfortable knowing that the criminals and the police weren't the only people carrying them.

There you go, mdude77. Doc Holliday has spoken, and he knows.

Definitely not a bad idea in Alaska.

Is the source of the encumbrance the gun itself? Or the crime ridden area they live in where they may actually need a gun for self defense? I mean, really, I just don't get you. Are you honestly claiming that if we reduce the number of guns, crime will go down, and everyone will become more civil???