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Topic: [Aug 2022] Mempool empty! Use this opportunity to Consolidate your small inputs! - page 33. (Read 88535 times)

legendary
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For me, I would not mind seeing a bit of a sustainable bump in the bitcoin fees and the use of blockspace, yet the fact of the matter seems to be that bitcoin seems to be already largely prepared to handle these kinds of spikes in usage and able to expand quite a bit beyond the various ways that it is currently being used.... because the mempool is continuing to clear without too many sustainable fee increases (so far) and whether the whole hashing power of the network is overbuilt or not, we have had a lot of increases in the hashrate too in the past week or two (perhaps partly inspired by cardinals/inscriptions, but also just seemingly that hashrate is just constantly going up.. "going up forever Laura.")..

Ordinals and their hype had no direct effect on the hashrate, the hype started so recently that it wouldn't have been time even for the gear to be ordered, less much already received and installed to make for the increase. Plus the timing is not there, the mempool was flooded by them by the 7th, the last difficulty retarget happened on the 12th and was negative.

It's most likely an incredible amount of gear that was ordered a month prior and was still stuck in deposits or farms that at prices below 20k  were running their gear in low mode, plus even some farms that were offline in the previous two weeks (we had a -0.49 adjusted prior). A combination of factors, but ordinals are not one of them.

That 11% increase in hashrate is going to lead to 11% less blocks. Considering the full blocks, I expect fees to go up a bit tomorrow.

Not necessarily, it depends a lot on where the growth was concentrated, even if it's a bit random and a lot of luck involved the first days saw a higher time block than the last ones, so it is possible the currently installed hashrate is still growing by a bit, a few 1-4%, so we might still have extra blocks even in this period.
Anyhow the hype is dying down, the weekend is coming and we only have 4vMb worth of tx in the mempool, most likely it's going to be empty next morning, and a lot of free space during the weekend for 1sat/b consolidations.

 
legendary
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we have had a lot of increases in the hashrate too in the past week or two (perhaps partly inspired by cardinals/inscriptions, but also just seemingly that hashrate is just constantly going up.. "
My guess is the hashrate went up because Bitcoin's price went up. That may have been enough to make some miners turn on their hardware again (assuming they turned it off the moment it didn't produce enough to pay for it's electricity consumption).
That 11% increase in hashrate is going to lead to 11% less blocks. Considering the full blocks, I expect fees to go up a bit tomorrow.
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Oh the plan is most certainly to dupe people with FOMO into thinking they need/want the next imaginary internet thing... and should pay stupid money for it. NFTs 2.0... Undecided
It will die off again once enough people lost their money, and the next hype gets created. The list gets longer and longer: altcoins > tokens > ICOs > Forks > DeFi > NFT > Ordinals. The concept is always the same: someone feels like he was too late to get into Bitcoin early, so he creates his own crap, hypes it, greedy people jump on it, the creator sells it and some sucker is left with a worthless and meaningless "digital item". Especially with ICOs it was very obvious many of them are created by the same people, and they must have earned billions from it. All I can say is: don't join!
Higher Bitcoin fees will only make this more expensive for them.

The whole concept of Ordinals it stupid, they're trying to make one satoshi worth more than another.

There's a mountain of low fee transactions waiting this week, so if you want a low-fee transaction this weekend, I'd go for 1.1 sat/vbyte instead of the bare minimum Smiley
What would be the reason for this? Maybe too many people doing like me?
The reason for which part? The "mountain"? Probably just spam with very large transactions. The 1.1? Miners take that before they take 1 sat/vbyte.

The punchline still does seem to be that for the most part fees have not been changing very much whether or not cardinals and inscriptions have become more popular, and surely, it could be that normies are still learning about these kinds of ways to "use bitcoin" whether dumb or not and whether perceived to be valuable (or obstructive) towards how others feel about the use of blockspace or not.

For me, I would not mind seeing a bit of a sustainable bump in the bitcoin fees and the use of blockspace, yet the fact of the matter seems to be that bitcoin seems to be already largely prepared to handle these kinds of spikes in usage and able to expand quite a bit beyond the various ways that it is currently being used.... because the mempool is continuing to clear without too many sustainable fee increases (so far) and whether the whole hashing power of the network is overbuilt or not, we have had a lot of increases in the hashrate too in the past week or two (perhaps partly inspired by cardinals/inscriptions, but also just seemingly that hashrate is just constantly going up.. "going up forever Laura.")..

It appears that the difficulty adjustment is going to reach another ATH in the next 12-13 hours 38-39 hours from the time of this post:

Latest Block:   777922  (5 minutes ago)
Current Pace:   111.4256%  (1763 / 1582.22 expected, 180.78 ahead)
Previous Difficulty:   39350942467772.63                            
Current Difficulty:   39156400059293.19                            
Next Difficulty:   between 43557191408057 and 43635665058358
Next Difficulty Change:   between +11.2390% and +11.4394%
Previous Retarget:   February 12, 2023 at 1:50 AM  (-0.4944%)
Next Retarget (earliest):   Tomorrow at 3:23 PM  (in 1d 13h 50m 34s)
Next Retarget (latest):   Tomorrow at 3:56 PM  (in 1d 14h 23m 7s)
Projected Epoch Length:   between 12d 13h 32m 47s and 12d 14h 5m 21s

https://www.bitrawr.com/difficulty-estimator

https://btc.com/stats/diff?_ga=2.166892222.1079250679.1586286038-48233127.1586286038
legendary
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Oh the plan is most certainly to dupe people with FOMO into thinking they need/want the next imaginary internet thing... and should pay stupid money for it. NFTs 2.0... Undecided
It will die off again once enough people lost their money, and the next hype gets created. The list gets longer and longer: altcoins > tokens > ICOs > Forks > DeFi > NFT > Ordinals. The concept is always the same: someone feels like he was too late to get into Bitcoin early, so he creates his own crap, hypes it, greedy people jump on it, the creator sells it and some sucker is left with a worthless and meaningless "digital item". Especially with ICOs it was very obvious many of them are created by the same people, and they must have earned billions from it. All I can say is: don't join!
Higher Bitcoin fees will only make this more expensive for them.

The whole concept of Ordinals it stupid, they're trying to make one satoshi worth more than another.

There's a mountain of low fee transactions waiting this week, so if you want a low-fee transaction this weekend, I'd go for 1.1 sat/vbyte instead of the bare minimum Smiley
What would be the reason for this? Maybe too many people doing like me?
The reason for which part? The "mountain"? Probably just spam with very large transactions. The 1.1? Miners take that before they take 1 sat/vbyte.
legendary
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Maybe with this new Ordinals thing we won't see low fees so frequently as before for a bit: people is embedding a wide variety of stuff into Bitcoin blockchain seemengly without a clear plan in mind.

I've seen talk about this for a while now, but I don't see the unconfirmed transaction count going up significantly other than at specific times. Except for one spike, the last week has been relatively low, and I've been sending transactions at the minimum fee for a while now and they are confirmed without much delay.

There's a mountain of low fee transactions waiting this week, so if you want a low-fee transaction this weekend, I'd go for 1.1 sat/vbyte instead of the bare minimum Smiley

What would be the reason for this? Maybe too many people doing like me?
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Maybe with this new Ordinals thing we won't see low fees so frequently as before for a bit: people is embedding a wide variety of stuff into Bitcoin blockchain seemengly without a clear plan in mind.
Oh the plan is most certainly to dupe people with FOMO into thinking they need/want the next imaginary internet thing... and should pay stupid money for it. NFTs 2.0... Undecided

Andy Warhol Campbells Soup

basically the first step to NFT.

I am thinking this will not go away.
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Maybe with this new Ordinals thing we won't see low fees so frequently as before for a bit: people is embedding a wide variety of stuff into Bitcoin blockchain seemengly without a clear plan in mind.
Oh the plan is most certainly to dupe people with FOMO into thinking they need/want the next imaginary internet thing... and should pay stupid money for it. NFTs 2.0... Undecided
Yeah, this is the new form of scam although I don't know how successful it is going to be because until this point the main hype is just in social media and hasn't completely manifested itself into a market where money changes hand to turn into full blown NFT 2.0 scam.
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Maybe with this new Ordinals thing we won't see low fees so frequently as before for a bit: people is embedding a wide variety of stuff into Bitcoin blockchain seemengly without a clear plan in mind.
Oh the plan is most certainly to dupe people with FOMO into thinking they need/want the next imaginary internet thing... and should pay stupid money for it. NFTs 2.0... Undecided
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Maybe with this new Ordinals thing we won't see low fees so frequently as before for a bit: people is embedding a wide variety of stuff into Bitcoin blockchain seemengly without a clear plan in mind.
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There's a mountain of low fee transactions waiting this week, so if you want a low-fee transaction this weekend, I'd go for 1.1 sat/vbyte instead of the bare minimum Smiley
legendary
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In the past week, someone did a few large low-fee consolidations:
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At the moment, fees spike every few hours, after which mempool clears again:
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That may have to do with Bitcoin's recent price increase. Either way, it's a good time to consolidate small inputs at low fees Smiley
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Electrum on desktop and Jaxx on mobile
I don't know Jaxx, but on Electrum, enable the Coins tab to see al your inputs.
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Thanks for the patience, going to check it.
legendary
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Electrum on desktop and Jaxx on mobile
I don't know Jaxx, but on Electrum, enable the Coins tab to see al your inputs.

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is there a max of inputs depending on wallet am using or depending on blockchain itself?
Probably both.
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I mean I use to pay attention at the balance of my wallets but cannot see further.
Which wallet are you using?

Electrum on desktop and Jaxx on mobile

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although thousands of inputs may be too much for one transaction.

don't get this part : is there a max of inputs depending on wallet am using or depending on blockchain itself?
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how can one knows if Btc they hold are splitted into many small inputs?
Check your wallet, if it allows some form of coin control you can see it. If not, you'll have to check block explorers or import your addresses (watch-only) into for instance Electrum.

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I mean I use to pay attention at the balance of my wallets but cannot see further.
Which wallet are you using?

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Also, in case my Btc holdings are fractioned in thousands of inputs and I send my whole wallet balance to another addy of mine am I not consolidating it into one?
That's how it works, although thousands of inputs may be too much for one transaction.
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Soon, fees should be lower again, and 1 sat/vbyte should be enough to consolidate small inputs again this weekend.

Sorry for noobish question but I have limited technical knowledge :
how can one knows if Btc they hold are splitted into many small inputs?
I mean I use to pay attention at the balance of my wallets but cannot see further.
Also, in case my Btc holdings are fractioned in thousands of inputs and I send my whole wallet balance to another addy of mine am I not consolidating it into one?
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The mempool is already empty again.

There may be some delays since the last blocks were a bit fast (8 in an hour instead of the expected 6), but if one is not in a big hurry it's clearly a good moment for consolidating the inputs at 1 sat/vByte; as it's week-end, such transactions should be confirmed before tomorrow morning.
legendary
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Earlier today, I was looking at a wall of transactions:
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This wall used 3 sat/vbyte, so I used 3.1 sat/vbyte to get my transaction confirmed in the next block.
Soon, fees should be lower again, and 1 sat/vbyte should be enough to consolidate small inputs again this weekend.
legendary
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there were more than 5,000 transactions almost all with a higher fee than the minimum, but what was my surprise when my transaction was confirmed in the next block. In other words, mine was confirmed at the minimum rate and there were about two thousand at a higher rate that were not confirmed.
It can be anyting: inaccuracies in the mempool explorer you're using (I noticed Electrum is usually too pessimistic in it's estimate how far you are from the top), or maybe the mining pool didn't think the difference is worth updating their block.
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Does anyone know why this happened? As far as I know, miners give priority to transactions with higher fees, but sometimes they may be interested in confirming transactions with lower fees, for example if the miner himself has sent a lot of transactions with the minimum fee to consolidate.
Most pools query for getblocktemplate RPC every few seconds/minutes to get the transactions with highest fee rate.
The gap of each RPC call depends on the pool/solo miner's set-up.
Maybe the miner of that block still haven't refreshed their block template at that time and still had your transaction in the block that they're currently mining.

The second part "they also have low txfee txns" isn't probable since they can easily manually add their own low-fee transactions if they want to.
They don't have to globally accept low fee transactions to include theirs.
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