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legendary
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nec sine labore
August 25, 2013, 06:24:20 AM
Hi,

the other day I've upgraded three batch #1 three modules Avalons from 20130519 to 20130814... I've lost a good 10% of hashing capacity Sad


I've just brought them up to 20130821, it's too early to see if I've recouped my hashing power, but I've found that on a B2 avalon the orange led blinking stops around 320 MHz.

Lower than this and led blinks, my B1 ones are at 300 and all blinking... go figure! Smiley

spiccioli
sr. member
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August 25, 2013, 02:07:23 AM
if i use 20130821, what other settings do i need to write down?

currently the firmware is 20120703 and the settings are --avalon-temp 52 --avalon-freq 350-355

I see some people setting cut off temps, etc
sr. member
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August 25, 2013, 01:55:46 AM



Im running with 31k piggyback and that gives me 1.336v under load at the bottom chip.

Be aware that for me at 460mhz I am 2x the wattage as a stock Avalon!   At bare MINIMUM you need a 1200watt powersupply for a 4 module unit!

I need to find out how to deal with 1600watt total at 460mhz!!!

i need to move to the north pole or pluto for that
legendary
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August 24, 2013, 11:37:27 PM
Pencil trick.... Reliable...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


I for one would not take a pencil to my $10,000+ device.

haha, I was thinkin the same, was just curious =)
Wish there was an easier way to do it grrr..
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August 24, 2013, 10:09:39 PM
Pencil trick.... Reliable...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


I for one would not take a pencil to my $10,000+ device.
legendary
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August 24, 2013, 09:49:57 PM
is it possible to do any sort of pencil trick mod to them reliably? =P I remember thats what I used to do on video cards for increased voltages.
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August 24, 2013, 09:42:50 PM
What value resistor would I piggyback onto R10 to target 1.30V, or 1.25V?
For 1.3V (1.278V under load) I use 47k. No problem with 400MHz and 0.98% HW, Rejected 0.38%
For stability I suggest sold 2mm2 wire from coil to the end of board. Top cooper layer (VDD_1.2)  is too thin to carry such high currents.
Look on the picture below
https://www.dropbox.com/s/68f6k5tafw1i58f/20130825_025617-2.jpg



Im running with 31k piggyback and that gives me 1.336v under load at the bottom chip.

Be aware that for me at 460mhz I am 2x the wattage as a stock Avalon!   At bare MINIMUM you need a 1200watt powersupply for a 4 module unit!

I need to find out how to deal with 1600watt total at 460mhz!!!
sr. member
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Dig your freedom
August 24, 2013, 08:08:56 PM
What value resistor would I piggyback onto R10 to target 1.30V, or 1.25V?
For 1.3V (1.278V under load) I use 47k. No problem with 400MHz and 0.98% HW, Rejected 0.38%
For stability I suggest sold 2mm2 wire from coil to the end of board. Top cooper layer (VDD_1.2)  is too thin to carry such high currents.
Look on the picture below
https://www.dropbox.com/s/68f6k5tafw1i58f/20130825_025617-2.jpg
member
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August 24, 2013, 07:51:05 PM
What value resistor would I piggyback onto R10 to target 1.30V, or 1.25V?

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.2660290

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What would it take for a volt mod? Soldering around on every single step down converter?

Yes, you need to change R9 resistor value in step-down converter, according to datasheet on TPS40193
the formula is

R9 = ( Vfb * R10 ) / ( Vout - Vfb ) , where Vfb is constant = 0.591v , R10 = 10.5k

for example, calculation for Vout = 1.2 give

R9 = ( 0.591 * 10500 ) / ( 1.2 - 0.591 ) = 6205.5 / 0.609 = 10189 , 10k resistor

in datasheet maximum Vout = 1.32

R9 = ( 0.591 * 10500 ) / ( 1.32 - 0.591 ) = 6205.5 / 0.729 = 8512 , 8.5k resistor

To make ~ 8.5k resistor from 10k you need to add in parellel 60k resistor, but i would advice you try to increase voltage in a little steps like 0.01v before you reach 1.32v and look at hw error rate.

Sorry but i cant point you now where is that resistor located, i just look at hash_unit schematics.

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How far (in % of HW errors) can I go up with the frequency without risking of damaging something?

I think hw error rate 2-3% is the highest that you want to see, more than that is a waste of energy.
You can damage the chips by increasing voltage to more than 1.32v - be careful.
sr. member
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August 24, 2013, 06:30:04 PM
BitCoiner2012 - Non BTC mining discussion belongs elsewhere ... as per forum requirements.

Did you read my posts? I was not attempting to discuss alt coin mining.. I was simply asked why I could ever want such an option. The answer could be given exactly the same with only BTC involved.
legendary
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Linux since 1997 RedHat 4
August 24, 2013, 06:28:28 PM
BitCoiner2012 - Non BTC mining discussion belongs elsewhere ... as per forum requirements.
legendary
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August 24, 2013, 06:26:19 PM
What value resistor would I piggyback onto R10 to target 1.30V, or 1.25V?
sr. member
Activity: 364
Merit: 250
August 24, 2013, 06:23:22 PM
Or even better, direct X percent of mining or X many chips toward Y pools. I'd LOVE that.
I can't fathom how this level of control serves any useful purpose.

 I like to mine more than BTC.

I cold split up various accounts on PPS pools, PPLNS, etc... for alts, and for BTC. Serves infinite purpose for me. I can divide my hash at desired percents, etc...

I dont even understand why you would wanna do that...ROFL

And you didn't ask either, that's fine. It is my prerogative. I happen to like diversification.

Or even better, direct X percent of mining or X many chips toward Y pools. I'd LOVE that.
I can't fathom how this level of control serves any useful purpose.
I like to mine more than BTC.
Saying that is a very good way of making me even less interested.

Cool, love the heart warming response. I'm sorry that I support other coins as well. I'll take my leave of the thread now, you fellows can have it back. Sorry for the suggestion that is apparently outrageous and out of this world to conceive that it could be useful to a miner.
-ck
legendary
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Ruu \o/
August 24, 2013, 06:22:58 PM
Or even better, direct X percent of mining or X many chips toward Y pools. I'd LOVE that.
I can't fathom how this level of control serves any useful purpose.
I like to mine more than BTC.
Saying that is a very good way of making me even less interested.
legendary
Activity: 2450
Merit: 1002
August 24, 2013, 06:22:05 PM

Where you located? So, what do you think 1.3v @ chips would yeild, at least 400?
Also, I have upgraded the fans in the unit to 2x 5k RPM 250cfm .. Currently the avy temps read maybe 45C during day time and 35C @ night.... I know this is cooler than the chips themselves but much better than stock cooling. Do you think that would cut it?

Just did quick test of 375mhz ... stable but 6.5% HW error ... think just doin wire mod will bring that down to 2%? =)

Im in Texas.   1.3v should have no problem with 400.   Im only at 1.336 and getting 460mhz. 

As for cooling:  If you do good thermal paste on the backside and are in a cool environment you may get away with just air cooling.

Dangit...far =( .. time in shipping to and work probably would make it just wash out the increase in hash...rofl! Wish I knew how to do this sorta shit =/
Can you comment bout the 2nd question I posted there...
legendary
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August 24, 2013, 06:21:42 PM
Honestly, I wish we coudl have as many pools as we wanted for the Balance feature. Or even better, direct X percent of mining or X many chips toward Y pools. I'd LOVE that.

That sounds like a job for miner proxy software.
legendary
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Merit: 1002
August 24, 2013, 06:20:50 PM
Or even better, direct X percent of mining or X many chips toward Y pools. I'd LOVE that.
I can't fathom how this level of control serves any useful purpose.

 I like to mine more than BTC.

I cold split up various accounts on PPS pools, PPLNS, etc... for alts, and for BTC. Serves infinite purpose for me. I can divide my hash at desired percents, etc...

I dont even understand why you would wanna do that...ROFL
sr. member
Activity: 364
Merit: 250
August 24, 2013, 06:19:08 PM
Or even better, direct X percent of mining or X many chips toward Y pools. I'd LOVE that.
I can't fathom how this level of control serves any useful purpose.

 I like to mine more than BTC.

I cold split up various accounts on PPS pools, PPLNS, etc... for alts, and for BTC. Serves infinite purpose for me. I can divide my hash at desired percents, etc...
-ck
legendary
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Ruu \o/
August 24, 2013, 06:16:32 PM
Or even better, direct X percent of mining or X many chips toward Y pools. I'd LOVE that.
I can't fathom how this level of control serves any useful purpose.
member
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August 24, 2013, 06:13:23 PM

Where you located? So, what do you think 1.3v @ chips would yeild, at least 400?
Also, I have upgraded the fans in the unit to 2x 5k RPM 250cfm .. Currently the avy temps read maybe 45C during day time and 35C @ night.... I know this is cooler than the chips themselves but much better than stock cooling. Do you think that would cut it?

Just did quick test of 375mhz ... stable but 6.5% HW error ... think just doin wire mod will bring that down to 2%? =)

Im in Texas.   1.3v should have no problem with 400.   Im only at 1.336 and getting 460mhz. 

As for cooling:  If you do good thermal paste on the backside and are in a cool environment you may get away with just air cooling.
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