Topic: Avalon batch [2] countdown! - page 64. (Read 141540 times)

Money changes people. It is nothing to blame them for. Just try to think of yourself in that position, 1 year earlier just a regular student with some bitcoins, right now you are a millionair on paper and can make some million a month by simply delaying a product. This is a once in a lifetime chance for you.

Better be thankful that they dont scam us.

I think is a very well thought out and argued position.   Personally, I believe Kano and I think that Yifu's and Zhang's muteness on these delays make the probability that they are mining much higher.   I do not want to believe that since that would mean that all the values and virtues that Avalon kept preaching were just lies (that would be pretty devastating to find out).
YIFU or Dr. Zhang, I think after one month we deserve your reply to the above and assurance that this is not true.

But they clearly stated you are not customers. You are whiney miners who want something for nothing. Suck it up.
That is the main reason I never pulled the trigger on any batches with them. I just could not send my money to people
who had such a crappy attitude and service.

In the end I lost out due to not ordering batch #1 (i think) but the amount of stress saved was worth it. Sometimes trying
to make a few bucks is not worth the bother when you have to place all the trust on people who do not care about you
as a customer.

I believe he is implying that avalon is mining with customers' units.  Which would not surprise me at all, seeing as several customers of batch one complained that their units appeared used and had fans coated in dust. I believe that the community consensus is that mining with customers' unit on the network is unethical and I would venture a guess that it is tantamount to theft.

So what are you implying? Maybe avalon just ships when all batch 2 units are build and running.

Yes I mentioned that.
(from the graph ASICMINER has 1TH in there)

ASICMINER didnt just add 4TH, they are at 19TH or sth.

No news to add to my thread in my signature as well. I'm relatively certain that I was one of the first trade-ins cause I shipped them back and they were signed for on the Friday after the Monday when we were told to ship them back in.

I'm not gonna lie. I'm regretting having sent something that was making me money for four lost weeks of mining profits.

It would seem to me we're owed some sort of notification or something, but whatever, beggars can't be choosers, I suppose.

As ngzhang once said, "BFL's business flow is: announce dreamlike specs -> taking pre-orders -> find people to development -> if succeed, release and shipment. if fail, run. BFL sell products at super low price because their customer take all risks."

My response would be, "Avalon's business flow is: deliver promised ASICs from first batch -> take two new batches of pre-orders -> spend one month waiting -> ask customers to send in FPGAs -> wait one more month. Avalon bases price on one month ROI because customer takes all risks."

I'm more than happy to work with Avalon, but they should not have asked us to send in our trade-ins one month prior to shipping, IMHO. I suppose this is a difference between Eastern culture and Western culture. In China, people owe their entire lives to their employer. Whenever there is a suicide at a Foxconn plant, it speaks ill of the employer. That's why you hear about that in the news coming out of Asia. In the US, no one commits suicide, because employers here are far too lax, and the unions have all the control. In China, the company has control, and their customers know it and respect them for allowing them to have the product. This seems so contrary to all of Western civilization, but it's just how business is done.

I don't fault the Avalon team or BitSyncom for respecting their employees over their customers, it's just really hard to adapt to this as someone living in the West.

Eagerly awaiting my chance to pay the difference for my Icarus trade-in towards a new Avalon...

Well
Firstly regarding "because china", I presume most know, but they are actually shipping them in a very problematic manner
That's the truth of the first batch problems (currently ngzhang's last post in the forum over 5 weeks ago)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.1722018
Now again Back in January they implied they could make 12 devices a day
They also clearly stated how good their original release date was
They also stated delivery dates for Batch #2

What has gone wrong?

They suddenly can't make the chips they made before?
They didn't get almost $2mil from batch #2 and batch #3?
Everyone making the first batch quit or was fired?
Capacitors are scarce in China?

While I'm at it I'll work on a graph: (click for full size)


Anyone feel free to make some more detailed comments about the above graph however,

1) From Avalon Shipping to Network reaching 48TH/s (earliest Avalon could have added 20TH/s + Asicminers extra 4TH/s) is approx 23-Mar
That assumes there is NO OTHER addition to the network while the price of BTC continued to climb slowly ...

So what is the 26THs rise from then (23-Mar) to 25-April
Clearly a % at least of people coming on board with GPUs due to the price - but could 2xmore people have joined BTC in that month with GPUs than existed in the 2 years before that?

Of course the network value for 'today' at 83GH/s is in question - and wont be considered reliable probably for another week at least - but that would actually make one wonder how ASICMINER managed to add 14TH/s yet the network only went up 9TH/s (maybe they were mining early also? )

FYI the network graph is of course from: http://bitcoin.sipa.be/
P.S. Yes I used the 14 day window - the others are simply way too unreliable

Guys, avalon is just as upset as you are. Their hookers and blow is running late too!

I'm back to cheering mode lol.

Well what is relevant is if you are a business, you should have good communication with your customers.   Avalon's communication to its customers is pretty poor.  Secondly being punctual and on-time is a very good thing to have when doing business.  If you say a deadline, try your best to stick to it.   In this ASIC business, excuses are like assholes, everyone's got at least one and they all stink.

LOL  

PS: You guys worry too much. We will all see a decent ROI, just stop worrying and let Avalon do their thing. I'd still much rather be on Avalon's boat than the BFL sinking ship.

Relevant?   You are sitting around saying "anyone hear anything from the guys that said they were shipping three weeks ago?"
If that is the kind of relevant that you are looking for you might as well go to BFL's shoutbox because BFL has now become more communicative than Avalon.

He is so drunk right now.

"LA LA LA I CAN'T HEAR YOU MY AVALON IS SHIPPING TOMORROW AND I WILL MAKE MANY MILLIONS"

 

Speak for yourself, I'm still in denial.

The truth is that this post went through a lot of different phases.

First cheering joy.

Then, doubts start spreading.

After than, burst of irrational anger. Insults and accusations fly all over the place.

Suddenly, denial.

And finally, acceptance  

That wine bottle must surely be empty by now.

For the right amount of bitcoins, both of those chores can be outsourced