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legendary
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April 23, 2013, 04:54:22 PM
#85
The fact that so many government officials and economists are Randians
just makes her ideas more creepy.

Huh? Examples?

Alan Greenspan. Last Chairman of Federal Reserve.  Member of Ayn Rand Institute and of the Atlas Society.  Friend and admirer of Ayn Rand and convert to her obhectivism since the early 1950s.

Well, yeah, we know about him, and there's also Rand Paul and Paul Ryan... That's 3 well known ones out of the 100 senators, 500 members of house, 50 governors, and many other officials. Many of these people are very socialist (both republicans and democrats, with just their own brand of socialism) or religious ideologues. So... where is the "many" that are Randians?
legendary
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April 23, 2013, 04:45:28 PM
#84
The fact that so many government officials and economists are Randians
just makes her ideas more creepy.

Huh? Examples?

Alan Greenspan. Last Chairman of Federal Reserve.  Member of Ayn Rand Institute and of the Atlas Society.  Friend and admirer of Ayn Rand and convert to her obhectivism since the early 1950s.


legendary
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April 23, 2013, 04:37:04 PM
#83
The fact that so many government officials and economists are Randians
just makes her ideas more creepy.

Huh? Examples?
full member
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April 23, 2013, 03:39:15 PM
#82
Sorry if it offends people, but I think Rand was basically a KOOK.
The fact that so many government officials and economists are Randians
just makes her ideas more creepy.

She's at her best here, but you can see the effects of the Benzedrine:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ukJiBZ8_4k
legendary
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April 23, 2013, 02:19:37 PM
#81
I'm no longer 19 and have yet to read her work, I probably wouldn't enjoy it.

Read it fir the first time when I was about 26 or 27. Mind you, AFTER I got my degree in finance and economics (the one that included Keynesian based economic theories, and nothing about Mises)
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April 23, 2013, 01:35:11 PM
#80
AR's books are an excellent spring board toward perceiving reality.
You think the two movies got it right?

I've only seen the first one, unfortunately most of the philosophical message didn't make it into the movie. It's decent entertainment if you've read the book though.

Just watched the second one yesterday. More of the message gets into there, and the court scene with Rearden is excellent.

Like Spendulus, I can't wait for the third one, but, I suspect, for different reasons.
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April 23, 2013, 01:28:46 PM
#79
AR's books are an excellent spring board toward perceiving reality.
You think the two movies got it right?

I've only seen the first one, unfortunately most of the philosophical message didn't make it into the movie. It's decent entertainment if you've read the book though.

sr. member
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April 23, 2013, 09:51:50 AM
#78
I've never read Rand, but I've been a libertarian for ages.

Today I received two Rand novels as a gift in the mail.

Guess I will read them now! Smiley

Oh boy, you are in for a wild ride. Smiley
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April 22, 2013, 11:00:13 PM
#77
I've never read Rand, but I've been a libertarian for ages.

Today I received two Rand novels as a gift in the mail.

Guess I will read them now! Smiley
legendary
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April 22, 2013, 04:50:19 PM
#76
I'm no longer 19 and have yet to read her work, I probably wouldn't enjoy it.
I'm no longer 19 and have yet to read the "Left Behind" books, I probably wouldn't enjoy them.
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April 22, 2013, 03:36:13 PM
#75
I'm no longer 19 and have yet to read her work, I probably wouldn't enjoy it.
legendary
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April 22, 2013, 03:14:29 PM
#74
AR's books are an excellent spring board toward perceiving reality.
You think the two movies got it right?
Haven't watched part two yet, but Part 1 was dead accurate.
I laughed all the way through both.  Sort of "Mad Max does Capitalism" fighting the Evil Superpowerws of collectivism.  Can't wait for III.
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April 22, 2013, 09:55:42 AM
#73
AR's books are an excellent spring board toward perceiving reality.
You think the two movies got it right?
Haven't watched part two yet, but Part 1 was dead accurate.
legendary
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April 22, 2013, 07:45:10 AM
#72
AR's books are an excellent spring board toward perceiving reality.
You think the two movies got it right?
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April 22, 2013, 06:31:30 AM
#71
AR's books are an excellent spring board toward perceiving reality.
legendary
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April 17, 2013, 10:16:20 AM
#70
Rand was jewish. people shouldn't touch her stuff with a 10 foot pole.
Nope.

Rand was an athiest.

More precisely, she viewed God or a belief in God as unnecessary.
This is a person who decides, that because you disagree with him about hating Jews, you must be a Jew yourself. Nothing you say will affect his calcified little brain.

I did notice that.  However, Rand identified as an athiest, and made this very clear on hundreds of occasions. 

Therefore, he is simply wrong, so I corrected him.

Do I disagree with him about hating Jews?  I'm not exactly big on haters of any sort.  Rand was also, not big on emotional driven logic and viewed that as a tool of propagandists.  She was against religion because of the ways she'd seen it subverted to the goals and aims of the state in Russia.

Makes sense to me...
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April 16, 2013, 01:15:04 PM
#69
I do think that effective defense organizations would need to collect subscription fees or something similar.  I doubt that funding through criminal fines would be enough.

Thus my contention that it would need to expand the list of fine-able offenses, and increase the fines.
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April 16, 2013, 01:12:26 PM
#68
An ideal ('night watchman') minimal state needn't fund itself through coercion.

This has been discussed endlessly (as you know  Wink) and my favorite proposed solution is to use fines collected from criminals (foreign and domestic) to fund national defense, courts, and police.  It's also arguable that a flat tax, imposed on all citizens equally, is a fair method of preventing the fraud/abuse of free riders.  I know ya'll AnCaps will never accept that, but want to put it out there to clarify where we differ.

I would have no problem with an institution (call it the State, or not Wink )that funds itself only from fines collected from criminals and performs some "night watchman" type duties, i.e., give me a call if it looks like I left my doors unlocked, shoot people if they appear to be threatening others.  Ancap doesn't rule out "good samaritan" style behavior as one possible source of the service of defense.  It just states that trying to fund such services through coercion is immoral.

I do think that effective defense organizations would need to collect subscription fees or something similar.  I doubt that funding through criminal fines would be enough.
legendary
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April 16, 2013, 10:37:41 AM
#67
The problem in a Rand world is that it doesn't account for irrational behaviour....
On the contrary, she (Rand) spent considerable time exploring and writing about the root causes of "Irrational" behavior. 
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April 16, 2013, 12:54:35 AM
#66

I'm sure a lot of such people would blanch at the thought of being labeled "right-wing."

Doesn't bother me any more.   If anyone bothered to learn anything about my thinking they'd soon realise I don't fit in either left or right, so I don't worry too much about what other people think.

I certainly don't endorse any right-wing groups.  Nor left-wing for that matter.  That kind of stuff is for the brainless masses who just want their team to win regardless.
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