Topic: [banned mixer] - Bitcoin mixer | 50+ BTC in reserves are confirmed! - page 3. (Read 2271 times)

Why are you concerned about their location?

Do you want to give the Feds a head start on where to look, or perhaps you are one of the spies? 
Since it's their money. You have no authority to question how they spend it.

 A fair question, are you located in middle east? Is that why you chose  GB to advertise for you because nobody would suspect that he would actually promote a service from the middle east, such as Iran maybe? are you trying to take advantage of him? That's not right.

Hi! - Our servers are not located in any EU country. BUT they may be under the jurisdiction of some (few) EU countries. That is why we wrote that "most" of the EU countries, not all.
The issue here is not geography per se, but of jurisprudence. Namely, in a friendly or unfriendly political relationship between the EU and the United States with the country in which we have deployed our servers. And the country where our servers are located is unfriendly to the EU and the USA.
Therefore: the US special services, together with the special services of some EU countries, will not be able to obtain a legal arrest warrant for our servers, since the local court (the court of the country where our servers are located) will not issue them an appropriate order due to international political disagreements/conflicts.
We hope that we have answered your question.


That's right, thanks.

I believe they mean that their servers are outside of EU (not sure if by "EU" they implied "Europe" or "European Union") and in that part of the world where they are located, most of "EU" countries do not have jurisdiction. Not having jurisdiction there probably means that no European law coercion can be applied in the country where servers are located -- or most of European countries do not have legal treaties with that country.

Yes it does I think.
At-least one server located in EU means it falls under EU jurisdiction. How about migrating in Switzerland LOL?

What does this mean exactly? I, for example, am outside most EU countries, simply because I can be inside only one country at a time. Does this mean your servers are located inside the jurisdiction of at least one EU country?

1) Our servers are located outside the jurisdiction of the USA and most EU countries.

We have deployed servers in a territory that is outside the jurisdiction of the US government and most EU countries. Accordingly, they will not be able to get legitimate access to our servers by a court decision.

2) The principle of absolute "no log".

In view of the first point, it makes no sense for us to collect and store customer logs. Consequently: [banned mixer] adheres to the absolute principle of "no log" and all orders are erased instantly upon their successful completion/expiration.

3) Minimum availability of the JS code.

BUT. Our service does not use any third-party JS libraries from external resources —> therefore, our JS code is completely safe and does not pose any danger.

4) Our bitcoin mixer is made without the use of web frameworks and site builders.

Frameworks are often very large and contain a lot of functionality, and in our case most of it would be unused. Due to the size and amount of code, performance decreases, and also in such a large amount of code, especially if it is open source, vulnerabilities and errors can easily appear, which is completely unacceptable and which should not be allowed in any case. In addition, frameworks may not be flexible enough, which, in turn, may affect the speed of development and uniqueness of the product. As for the site builders, the sites assembled on the constructor eventually become heavy and have limited customization. Our service does not need a bunch of unnecessary useless animations that distract from the essence, because we are not making a Pinterest, but a working and unique tool.

5) Only encrypted channels for external secure communication with clients.

· Telegram ( secret chat ) - End-to-end encryption

· Session - End-to-end encryption

· ProtonMail - asymmetric encryption / + PGP = End-to-end encryption

6) We use encrypted disks.

We consider these very points listed above to be the foundation and foundation of confidentiality. These are the points that are vital for this kind of project. Since we believe that our commitment to a "strict privacy policy" is also compliance with "the rules of business hygiene" in the field in which we are located. What do you think about this? - share your opinions...

Hi! As we wrote earlier, this is in development... We believe that we could already implement the FAQ section on our sites. But we want to release this together with other aspects of the update. Therefore, we ask you to have a little patience and wait. As it is, the FAQ is ready, and we are ready to share this section (so far in text format) with you. Please read it:

What is the minimum and maximum amount to mix?
- The minimum amount for performing the mixing service is: 0.001 BTC, and the maximum amount for today is 56 BTC. But the maximum value of 56 BTC may vary (downwards). This is because our system automatically displays to the client, who is on the payment page, the liquid amount available at the current time period. This may be due to the fact that, for example, [banned mixer] has successfully sent a transaction to the client, but has not yet received the change (by the phrase "did not receive the change" we meant an "unconfirmed" transaction. After all, even though the funds after the transfer are displayed in the final wallet instantly, yet without confirmation in the blockchain, these funds are "dummies" that cannot be used). As practice shows, this is quite a frequent phenomenon, since the turnover of transactions into and out of the mixer is quite frequent.

What is the difference between mixer fees?
- The higher you charge the mixer's commission for the service —> the stronger the anonymity of your funds at the exit will become, since higher commissions are less obvious for analysis based on a comparison of incoming and outgoing amounts. Based on this, we recommend that you pay higher commissions than the minimum ones. (This is just our recommendation, not a call to action.)

What happens if you send an amount below the minimum?
- Our service does not mix these funds. To resolve this problem, you must contact our technical support with a letter of guarantee attached to the request. Then we will manually take control of this situation and return the funds to the user.

What happens if I send an amount higher than the maximum?
- [banned mixer] will mix your funds anyway. If the amount is much higher than the maximum mixing limit, and the mixer will not be able to systematically mix such a number of coins, then we will also take control of this situation with our own hands, and return the funds back to the user.

How long does the incoming address remain active?
- 24 hours. After this time, the session is automatically reset.

I made a transaction in the 24-hour range, but received 3 confirmations after the 24-hour session, what will happen?
- The most important thing is to send the transaction within these 24 hours, and the rest of the work is already up to us. Since [banned mixer] instantly identifies the transfer and already systematically waits for 3 network confirmations in the Blockchain.

Do we keep logs?
- PureMixer stores all information about the order up to its successful completion/expiration date. This is necessary in order to help the user and resolve the situation in case of unpleasant situations caused by a system failure. Upon completion of the order - PureMixer instantly erases all user information. An exception may be if at this moment (at the time of successful completion of the order) a technical failure occurs on the servers, but after their restoration, any customer-identifying information is immediately deleted. (No service is immune from this.)
Note:
We store information about INCOMPLETE transactions for 168 hours to help users if necessary, and delete this information instantly after 168 hours. The service practices the absolute principle of no log.

what address formats does Puremixer support?
- [banned mixer] supports the following address formats:

P2PKH which begin with the number 1:
Example - 1Fh7ajXabJBpZPZw8bjD3QU4CuQ3pRty9u

P2SH type starting with the number 3:
Example - 3KF9nXowQ4asSGxRRzeiTpDjMuwM2nypAN

Bech32 type starting with bc1:
Example - bc1qf3uwcxaz779nxedw0wry89v9cjh9w2xylnmqc3

How long does the mixing process itself take?
- Upon reaching the 3 necessary confirmations, the mixing process itself is performed in the blockchain, it is performed almost instantly, within 1 minute. (if you didn't set any delay). The mixing process with a delay (for example + 2 hours) will look like this: 3 confirmations of your transaction in the blockchain —> 2 hours of delay + a few minutes of additional delay (random delta) to the main delay.

How many transactions can I send to the incoming address generated by the [banned mixer]?
- as indicated in our modal window that pops up before going to the payment page: "You cannot reuse the same current PureMixer bitcoin address. To re-deposit funds, you must wait until the end of the current service, and then create a new mix order."
To paraphrase: you can send only one transaction and no more!

Is there any way I can observe the mixing process?
- Log into your wallet from which you initiated the transfer to the service, find this very transaction sent to the mixer, then copy the hash of the transaction, the address of the mixer or the address from which you sent the funds, and paste it into the search bar of any blockchain explorer (for example, in Blockchair or Mempool) and monitor the process of your funds.

What is PureMixerCode?
- PureMixerCode is a mixing code that ensures that the funds you sent earlier will not be returned to you when you use the service again. You won't need it for the first mixing, but you will need it in subsequent ones. Therefore, we definitely recommend saving this code.

How many network confirmations does a Bitcoin mixer need to accept transactions?
- 3 confirmations of the blockchain network.

Can I use a website with a VPN?
- Yes, you can use PureMixer in conjunction with a VPN.

Why should I use bitcoin mixer? What do I need it for?
- In a world where more and more information is stored electronically and can be accessed at any time and from any place, the issue of protecting your own privacy is becoming increasingly important. But, unfortunately, as practice and statistics show, this is often used for selfish and malicious purposes. Such as:

1) Government surveillance for national security purposes. BUT they do not end there, which, in turn, respectively, results in abuse of power and excessive surveillance of every step of citizens.

2) Surveillance by large corporations in order to use a person's personal data for allegedly selecting suitable advertising and marketing.

3)  Surveillance and identity theft by cybercriminals for financial gain.

All this causes an irreparable blow and significant damage to the property and reputation of innocent people.

With such a tendency, people a priori will not be able to be sure that their actions and statements of any positions or thoughts about anything will not be prosecuted and suppressed by law enforcement agencies. What we, the operators of the bitcoin mixer "[banned mixer]", do not tolerate!

Thus, confidentiality is the right of every person to preserve their own personal boundaries. This is necessary to ensure freedom of speech and, in general, to live a life that the person himself prefers. Surveillance of citizens is a phenomenon that exists and threatens the privacy of every person and requires careful and careful regulation by the authorities and large companies. But the latter, unfortunately, on the contrary, only contribute to its aggravation, not regulation. PureMixer is here to take on this mission.

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Cool to see that you are working on the UI!

I don't see the FAQ on your homepage, could you please share the link?

Increased the range of delay selection. Was up to 120 hours (five days), became up to 168 hours (seven days).

Improvements to the service that will be implemented in the future:
· Design improvement
· Adding the "FAQ" section
· Adding a discount system for regular customers

Well, there is a reason for this ban, the law enforcement agencies disrespected the admin by not notifying him first, they should'v asked him to announce the shut down since he is admin people would believe the news to be legit right away. So in response to such disrespect, now their honeypots have to leave this forum, and the LE will have no place to keep an eye on all mixers in one place.

Well, as Bitcoiners, we don't submit to such transgressions against our core leaders. Now this ban is a slap to the faces of rude LE agencies. This should be a good warning, we can make their jobs a nightmare for them, now let them go to several places to monitor mixers. Unless they come here and apologize for interrupting our lawful activities unannounced.     

Let's be honest. At the moment, the darknet exists and will continue to exist. And moreover, to progress. Let's say the goal of any government is to eliminate one well-established and large-scale darknet site. However, according to all the canons of ancient mythology, in fact, three more sites are formed in its place, similar to it, but only more immoral and selfish. The mixing services market has already been formed and it's not going anywhere. The war declared by the Governments of various countries is futile. It cannot be defeated by the methods that are used against our services. Bans won't work. The stricter the punishment, the more profitable this industry will be. In view of the banal minimization of supply, by eliminating the huge and influential "players" of this industry. We felt this from our personal experience after the liquidation of Sinbad. Since after this incident, the amount of funds coming into our service has increased. This forum is a discipline for all of us (Bitcoin mixer operators). It is here that we answer with our "head" for every flaw or unpleasant situation. It is here that we publish and keep all users informed about updates or various technical services. This is where we build our reputation. This is where the victim can report fraud to any service. And such a huge community with incalculable influence will do everything in relation to this fraudulent service so that no one else uses it. By depriving us, honest and stagnant players of this forum - you will create chaos, in which many unscrupulous fraudulent and clonal bitcoin mixers will surface. And uninformed users will constantly come across these "bayonets". Fraud and irresponsible provision of such services will grow exponentially.

Our major predecessors, such as: Bitcoin Fog, Bitmixer, Bitblender, ChipMixer, Tornado cash and Sinbad, put a lot of effort into popularizing Bitcoin mixer services. And judging by the publicly available figures that appeared in the turnover of these services (billions of dollars), the market successfully accepted this. And this bitcoin mixer industry is now an integral part of our modern life in the crypto space.

We are well aware that the forum administrator may be scared due to the fact that this forum also promotes services that are more or less related to the darknet. But this does not mean that it is necessary to completely eradicate this segment from the crypto industry in this community right away.
You might as well ban casinos, KYC-free exchangers, decentralized exchanges, exchanges that also do not require KYC, and others... After all, they are all in demand among criminals, including.

Moreover, we believe that the imposition of sanctions on Sinbad by governments is a unique political case. Since there is a pattern in all those cases when the authorities resorted to the elimination of bitcoin mixers. This is the connection with North Korea:
Blender - was connected with North Korea.
Tornado cash - was connected with North Korea.
Sinbad - was connected with North Korea.

So we will venture to assume that the connection of the service with darknet sites is a secondary reason why the service will be sanctioned.


History is cyclical. If we leave the market (honest mixers who are responsible for their business, working tirelessly for many months, years, constantly improving) - irresponsible bitcoin mixers will come in our place, driven solely by a thirst for personal and short-term profit (yes, we are talking about fraud). Or about deliberate draining of confidential customer data, etc.

We promote and offer freedom to everyone. It is in the current realities and under certain circumstances: it is achieved precisely by gaining confidentiality.
Freedom is a value that allows anyone to freely express their thoughts and build their personal life at their discretion. It is the foundation for the development of society and ideas in general. But it also has another side of the coin, namely, its abuse for selfish purposes. But should we abandon such an ideology just because it has some side effect from time to time? Our opinion is no.

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Several trusted users of the forum recommended that we "repurpose" in order to avoid this ban. Our response:
No, we are not going to change anything related to the concept of our tool. [banned mixer] It was built the way it is. Under no circumstances will we change our vision and principles regarding this. After spending a lot of time on research and analysis, we came to the conclusion: that the concept of traditional (classical) mixing is the best of all existing ones. And we have described to you only a small part of why we think so.:

Hi, thanks for the question.
1) We are the only ones in the industry whose service offers as many as 3 channels of secure external communication with our team.
2) Nothing prevents the user from creating a "secret chat" in telegram before contacting us directly, in which E2E encryption takes effect, which provides a high level of security. All information in such chats is encrypted on the sender's device and is only decrypted on the recipient's device. No one, not even the Telegram developers, has access to the content of the messages. + in addition, Telegram released an update on December 6, 2022, which made registration in the messenger available without a physical SIM card. (below we will provide a link to this update so that you and everyone can familiarize themselves with it more thoroughly.)
3) We have never encouraged users to contact us exclusively via Telegram. We only gave users a choice and that's all. We will be happy to give customers feedback as soon as possible on any of these three communication channels.

https://telegram.org/blog/ultimate-privacy-topics-2-0?setln=en

Telegram for support?

I haven't extensively read their privacy policy, but I am very skeptical about that app. To me, it's like a ticking time bomb. Let say you were in sinbad situation and the law enforcement was combing through all corners for evidence and information about the person behind the mixer and the customers. What would stop them from reaching out to the Telegram team for the information and logs?

Yes, as we wrote earlier, we will deal with this issue in the near future.

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Just an hour ago, a bitcoin mixer called "Sinbad" was liquidated. This is both bad news for those who suffered the loss of their funds at such an unfortunate moment, and a very good opportunity for us as bitcoin mixer operators. Sinbad was a worthy competitor, with a fairly strong technical component. In this regard, in addition to improving the design, we will also add/improve other aspects of our service. We will do everything to become the best alternative possible for you. Wait for us.

We are waiting for a design change, in general, the mixer does not resemble a simple scam site, it seems that the developer is trying. Time will tell

Hi! We remember and keep in mind your criticism regarding the design and adaptation of our homepage. First of all, we decided to focus all our attention and strength on more important aspects, which we successfully coped with. In the near future we will take up this, so that your note will be satisfied. We will not give specific dates yet. We promise only that it will be fixed.

Note that Cloudflare can't read Bitcointalk's servers. It can only read messages when they pass through:

Thank you LoyceV for your cooperation

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This is just the beginning. Thanks!


Yes, at that time we didn't want to sign the message. and the reason for this was not the method of sending subscription messages, but to whom we will sign it. We didn't like the fact of signing bitcoins to people unknown to us. But we ourselves brought the situation to such a "boiling point" that it really became necessary to sign bitcoins. And we signed bitcoins to those users whom the majority of the forum trust.
Regarding the method of sending: you are reasoning hypothetically (that, they say, law enforcement agencies could notice this message), and when the reasoning is hypothetical, no probabilities can be excluded. So yes, there is a chance of this, but let's be honest, it's close to 0, because it doesn't work quite like that (that companies keep records of everything and everything). In addition, the correspondence lasted only a few hours, since on both sides (both from ours and from the users to whom the messages were signed), the dialogue was irrevocably erased.


We have built our tool with dignity and in accordance with the privacy parameters. We have acted carefully, taking into account any possible outcome of this case (including the worst if the FBI liquidates our servers), and in this regard we have taken counter measures, in view of which you as users will not need to worry about data leakage. One of such significant actions on our part is that we have deployed servers in a territory that is outside the jurisdiction of the US government and most EU countries. Our service flawlessly and fully copes with one and the main task: it makes a complete break of the blockchain between incoming addresses from you and outgoing addresses to you. By traditional mixing. Where in return you will receive completely alien and unrelated coins in the past.
We, as service operators, fully cope with one and the main task that already comes from us: we permanently erase user logs after a successfully rendered service.
As for the letter of guarantee, the issue has been resolved. The problem has been fixed. Not a single user has been harmed during the long months of our service. There's no need to stir up the past.


All of us (Bitcoin mixers) are under such a blow. The question is different: how well the operators have prepared for this strike. We repeat: our servers are located outside the jurisdiction of the USA and most EU countries. Accordingly, they will not be able to get legitimate access to our servers by a court decision. Based on this: they can either simply liquidate our servers and only, or go further and maliciously seize and gain access to our servers. But if they do that (which is possible) then they will not be able to bring it to the media and will not be able to get a warrant in order to fully investigate the case, since they got access to our servers illegally. Based on all this, we can conclude that it would be better for us, as service operators, not to keep any logs regarding users.
And yes, everyone's favorite CM, which was liquidated in the spring of this year: stored records of personal data of customers weighing 7 TB . We assume that the operator of this mixer intentionally saved and accumulated information about orders, so that in case of proceedings with the authorities, he could rely on the "crutch" from the collected data of these orders, in order to offer this data in response to some kind of leniency. Arranged a kind of "airbag". And he can be understood, because he is a citizen of a neutral country for various jurisdictions, to whom they could easily send an extradition request.


You wrote about fonts. Well... CryptoMixer after more than 7 years of work still sends requests for fonts (and for some reason no one talks about it ). ETFbitcoin user kindly pointed this point out to us and made us realize that it is better to eliminate it. Which we actually did.
We think that when experienced users find "holes" and shortcomings in a newly-minted service, this is completely normal. After all, forums of this kind like BitcoinTalk are also designed for this, so that the community with their knowledge in different fields and points of view - to bring the service to perfection.

After reading everything here, I gotta say I'm on the same page about this. One obvious example was using fonts and stuff from third-party sites. Like, who needs fancy fonts on a bitcoin mixer? Even newbie coders know that crap can be used to track people.  If they're making such basic screw-ups, I dunno how much I trust PureMixer to really know what they're doing running this kinda biz.  Im no security expert that's just my take, but it's enough to make me skeptical.   

They say it's untraceable but that seems kinda suspect if they cant even figure out simple opsec stuff and  maybe the tech is solid but they just suck at web dev, idk.  Still though, makes me nervous to use them.  You'd think they could hire someone who understands privacy basics.