Topic: 📌 [banned mixer] - Maximum Anonymity 🤖 Fees 1 - 5% (Read 2594 times)

The mixers (weblinks) are unfortunately forbidden in the future but a small overview of the new design of Webmixer. And a short guide on how to use the mixer.



I like the new design in any case once good, there are then also two settings light or dark design, is a matter of taste.

To use it, simply select the desired anonymity and enter the Bitcoin receiving address. The different anonymity levels naturally have different fees.



If you send more than one Bitcoin, the highest anonymity level is automatically selected, send the Bitcoin to the specified address and don't forget to download the letter of guarantee and wait until the new Bitcoin arrives at the desired address.

Easy to use, perfect for privacy.

I would like to share my experience with this mixer. I've already used it 2 or 3 times.


NEW WEBSITE
The previous version was very dark and gave the impression of something very dark, and a recondite location hidden on the internet. A very hardcore look. The new site is already different, in addition to having a light option, the dark version is less hardcore and has a fresher look and not so dark. I liked it, congratulations on the improvement.

In turn, the dark mode, much more beautiful than the light mode. The light mode is very simple and basic, with a white background and then the rest of the site's elements, nothing special. I believe they could try to work on the light mode a little more, to make it equally beautiful.

I liked seeing that in dark mode, they use a background image of a street at night, which looks really good. Maybe they could take that image and put it in light mode, the street during the day. Here's a suggestion.

Otherwise, my experience using the site itself was pleasant, in the clearnet version (the only one I used).
It should also be mentioned that throughout my visit to the site and the time I was on it, I was asked to validate on Cloudflare several times. I noticed that this happened because sometimes I spent some time without clicking anywhere on the website. But this type of website takes some time without moving around. Therefore, perhaps it would be good to try to reduce validation time.


MIXING
Regarding the mixing process, I found it simple and practical to use. Getting more intuitive with this new design.

In this experience in this new version, I used the "Max Anonymity" option, but it seems that it had similar behavior to "Precise Payment". This is because in the end I received a certain amount at the first address and the remaining amount at the second address. This is because in the end I received a certain amount at the first address and the remaining amount at the second address. I don't know if it was just pure coincidence, based on the value being mixed. But, I think it would make more sense for both addresses to receive values that are not so certain. Anyway, it's nothing serious, just something I noticed.

The entire mixing process went normally and as expected. There is just one detail that I didn't appreciate. When you go to the page where the deposit address is indicated, it appears in capslock letters and in white (in dark mode - the one used):


Since I'm used to seeing the address written in a mixture of capslock and lowercase letters, it seems that I have more difficulty in being able to validate that I am carrying out the transaction to the correct address. Maybe this is just a prayer on my part, but I think they should use a mix of capslock and lowercase letters to write this address. And in dark mode, they should use a color other than white, like red.

Other than that, I think everything went well, and it was a good experience. Continuation of a good work.

I've been waiting for the new version to do a quick review, so let's go! 



On the subject of aesthetics and the UI, I really like the fact that you've integrated a dark mode, it is always more than welcome.
Overall, I find the site beautiful, and very visually pleasing. I have nothing to say about that, everything is straight forward, intuitive. I think that having a simple navigation (especially compared to other more 'complex' mixers UI) is a safe bet, straight to the point. A lot of users prefer minimalist/simple interfaces.

At first, I tried to access Webmixer from Firefox with my usual VPN. But unfortunately I couldn't get past Cloudflare (I don't usually have this problem). I was stuck with CF loading again and again, same issue after deleting cookies or refreshing tab.
By changing servers I was also able to access the site with my VPN. Cloudflare isn't ideal in terms of privacy, but if I understand correctly, it seems difficult to find an equivalent as effective, so I understand. The vast majority of other mixers also use CF and not for nothing, so I guess we can't complain too much against CF usage..
No problem when using Tor, I can access the site. The site is very responsive overall, even the .onion is reactive, it's pleasant to use.

For the record, I use Firefox 121.0 on Debian and Android with Firefox Focus 119.0. I use the latest version of Tor browser.

I had already done a test with the "Basic" mixing mode and I was satisfied. The fee is low, and I had nothing in particular to say about it.
It's true that with "Precise" mode (which I used for my recent test) and "Max anonymity" mode the fee is 4 to 5 times higher, but personally, I'm not the kind of user who really wants to keep his fees as low as possible. For me, privacy comes at a price, and I'm ok to pay 5% if the service is reliable and efficient.
So I won't criticise you for the price of the service, but I do think that you could maybe increase the minimum deposit for 'Max' mode:



I reckon that 0.003 BTC minus (4-5% + 0.0007 BTC) can lead to unhappy begginer/new users, so why not set the minimum at 0.01 like for the "Precise" mode?
It's like with my coinjoin wallet, I know that below about 0.01, the operation isn't really profitable in any way.

Otherwise, I've tried to find the origin of the coins I've received back from the mixer, and I haven't been able to. I'm not a specialist in blockchain analysis, but I've tried several tools and explorers, and nothing has allowed me to trace my funds.

I've used several services and bots to try and check the origin of the funds (I know we shouldn't put too much trust in these services, but knowing that the big groups use them, I always find it interesting to see the results), everything seems to be fine. At least, nothing unusual:



Talking about your FAQ:

I'm not sure it's wise to recommend this google search to novice users. When I do the search myself, the first result is ViaBTC so that's ok, but the others are all either scams or excessively expensive. The number of scams relating to transaction accelerators is huge. Maybe you could redirect your users directly to ViaBTC to avoid a potential scam? or tell them to "DYOR".

I like the fact that we can contact you on Jabber. SimpleX could be a good way to communicate with your users, maybe more popular?

Last suggestion: perhaps you could consider registering your service on kycnot.me? 

Next time, I will test your Telegram Bot (and give you a feedback on another platform)

Today the blockchain fees were not too high, and I had a chance to try [banned mixer], too. I want to say that I really liked the concept of the site. The previous mixer I used before Webmixer was [banned mixer], and I couldn't even successfully order a service on it from the first attempt. It had so many sliders and settings that not every browser could handle them correctly. In contrast, Webmixer has everything designed to be as simple as possible. There's only one input field, prominently displayed. You enter your address, press the 'start cleaning' button, and that's it—nothing else is needed. It's impossible to get confused.

I only tried the interface in Russian, and the constant mention of 'cleaning' there puzzled me. The site clearly wants to demonstrate that its target audience is people who have bitcoins labeled as 'dirty.' Therefore, ordering the cheapest option, where it states that coins will come from Webmixer clients, is scary. I immediately started thinking that the coins I receive will likely be 'dirty.' If this is a marketing tactic aimed at motivating site visitors to order a more expensive service, then okay. If it happened accidentally, I recommend the mixer to find another word instead of 'cleaning' (for example, 'mixing'). Otherwise, they are discouraging customers who are not willing to pay 4-5% for anonymization.

The mixing itself went smoothly, as expected. There were only two points to note. Firstly, the service does not support P2TR addresses (it says 'BTC address error'). Secondly, if you press the 'Back' button in the browser to return to the screen where the address to send the coins is indicated, the address will no longer be the one initially shown. This can lead to problems. For example:
- the client ordered the service,
- the client saw the address, downloaded the guarantee letter,
- then the client somehow switched to another page (for example, by mistake),
- then the client returned back to copy the address,
- copied it,
- sent bitcoins there,
- encountered some difficulty,
- and then found out that the guarantee letter was for a completely different address (because pressing the 'back' button changed the address).
I don't know what can be done about this. Perhaps it makes sense to somehow warn about it.

Otherwise, everything is fine. The mixer works, and it mixes the coins as claimed.

I had the opportunity to finally test Web Mixer and my experience was pleasant for the most part but improvement is possible in my opinion.

Found it kind of annoying that for sums over 1 Bitcoin I am being forced to pay maximum Commission, which is 4 to 5 percent of the sum PLUS 0.0007 Bitcoin.  By the way I think there is a typo and the page says Comission instead of Commission.

The text you first see on the page is pretty confusing for me.  Maybe I am too tired.  But what does 'You are not required to use any other cryptocurrencies' mean?  I would remove that text honestly.  I never even thought this Mixer had any thing to do with other Cryptocurrencies.

Another confusing thing.  What is the 'STOCK EXCHANGES' source really?  Is it Centralized Exchanges?

If you go to Max Anonymity you are required to paste two Bitcoin Addresses even if the FAQ says it is not a requirement.  You can paste the same Address in both text fields but it is confusing.

This is a very small detail but I find it annoying that Basic Anonymity and Max Anonymity shows a completely different informative text above the text fields.

I would change it to as follows,

Or something like that.

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Both for your business and for clients it would be better in my opinion if the bigger Commission was for smaller Transactions and the other way around.  This way you make your clients choose to Mix more for less while you earn more on the long run.

Think about it.  I have to mix 5 Bitcoin.  This means I have to pay between 0.2007 and 0.2507 Bitcoin!  I would honestly rather choose to Basic Mix 1 Bitcoin five times and pay 0.05175 total Commission instead.  Even if the Outputs come from other clients instead of Stock Exchanges.  From me you would earn much less in consequence as I would prioritize not having to pay around 30 THOUSAND Dollars for every 10 Bitcoin I choose to Mix.  But maybe that is just me.

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I find it concerning that for Max Anonymity the page says

I wonder how difficult it is to link non Mixed Coins to Outputs, even if the Output Addresses receive Bitcoin from 'Stock Exchanges'.

I will give a hypothetical case.

I send 25.00000000 Bitcoin plus Fees to the Mixing Address.  I give you only one Output Address and you send me the Coins in a single Transaction.  First of all the Commission would be INSANE.  It is between ONE whole Bitcoin and 1.25 Bitcoin PLUS 0.0007!

The Transaction time is between instant and six hours.

For a Blockchain Analysis is this not an easy job to de anonymize or link as a Mixer using a very basic analysis program or something?  Some body sent 25.00000000 Bitcoin and in the next six hours some body else receives an amount between 23.74930000 and 23.99930000 Bitcoin from a Centralized Exchange.  Since you are not required to paste multiple Output Addresses you can send the total sum in multiple Transactions, it still is in my opinion an event pretty easy to link.

I believe it would provide more Privacy if there was an option to include more Output Addresses and each Address receives random sums until the entire Mixed Balance is returned to the client.

On the first attempt accessing the website, it keeps loading on Cloudflare checking I'm stuck there until I disable the desktop mode now I can access the site.

The design looks fine to me it was a dark version before and now it's a light version but you can switch to dark mode if you want under the menu or top-right corner.

All buttons are functional and fast same goes for the Tor browser all of them are functional. The page size is 80kb according to some checkers and the performance of the sites is great.

About "LetterGuarantee.txt" it shows the date, deposit/your BTC address, service fee, PGP fingerprint/signature, and warnings. The format is just the same as other mixers out there.

The mixing process on basic anonymity is smooth after waiting for a few hours it takes hours for me to receive BTC but I think the issue is due to network(transaction fee) spikes recently. Other options are a bit expensive so I can't afford to test them.

The only downside of this it uses a cloud flare which we know records the IP address of their customers/visitors. So I'm not sure but since you said you don't keep logs how about the Cloud flare? So I think better bring your customers to Tor link instead to avoid this.

Another thing is there are some issues with the website related to accessibility you need to fix them look at this link below.

- https://pagespeed.web.dev/analysis/https-webmixer-io/20r3dwjxjt?form_factor=mobile

1. Advertising/Promotional materials are in black/purple, but the website UI is white/red? It would make more sense to use white/purple for light mode. I can see how this can confuse some people thinking "Am I on the right website?".

2. Re: Source of coins: I assume "CLIENTS" meant other WebMixer users; but what is "STOCK EXCHANGES"?

3. Probably use periods(.) than commas(,) when doing decimals as the former is more widely adopted as far as I know(Correct me if I'm wrong).

4. Downloaded letter of guarantee file: assuming you're expecting your users to want to use your service multiple times, it's better to add a date and timestamp on the .txt file's file name rather than just using "LetterGuarantee.txt"

5. Grammatical issues in general. Hire a proofreader as wrong grammar can look scammy.

6. (Using the default English page): Under PRECISE PAYMENT, the How does it work? link is in Russian. Under MAX ANONYMITY,  Mixing Time is in Russian. Keep things consistent.

These might look too 'minimal' in some sense, but everything adds up for the entirety of the user experience.

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I am currently waiting to receive my mixed funds, but so far the experience has been smooth.

On another note: Precise Payment and Max Anonymity having 4-5% + 00007 BTC commission is quite expensive. This should be lowered if possible.

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EDIT: The "errors" I mentioned in this post wasn't necessarily grammatically "wrong", but they are worded in a way that they could give a different meaning.

• Innovative mixing technology brings anonymity to everyone. Innovative mixing technology that brings anonymity to everyone.
• You are not required to use any other cryptocurrencies Zero need to use other cryptocurrencies.
• The exact amount will be sent to the first address and the rest to the second The exact amount will be sent to the first address, then the rest to the second.
• Specify BTC addresses to receive coins Specify your BTC addresses that will receive the coins.
• The leading-edge anonymization algorithm in the "Complete anonymity" mode. The best there is. Our leading-edge anonymization algorithm guarantees complete anonymity.
• Immediate auto-deletion of data. Data on requests for mixing gets erased in 168 hr 168 hrs.
• YOUR RELIABLE SAFETY Just say 100% reliability

I published an review in Portuguese before WebMixer changed their site design. Here's my experience:

Of the 3 ways to mix your bitcoins (Basic Anonymity, Precise Payment and Full Anonymity) I chose the first option that has the lowest fee (1-1,5%+0,00035 BTC) and got my bitcoins within the given mixing time (0-2 hours).

Although it says 'basic anonymity', I believe it would be very difficult (if not impossible) for someone to link my deposit and withdrawal addresses. So I'm happy with the results.

For a non-regular mixer user, all I can say is that I had a smooth experience using WebMixer.

I also tried the Webmixer's Telegram bot. It's an interesting service, but the Letter of Guarantee is written in Russian.. Maybe you can change it to English.

Still regarding the Letter of Guarantee, it's very hard to verify if it's genuine as I didn't find the key on the website.

About the Webmixer's new website design, it's clean and easy to use.. can't be better than that.. I loved the dark theme, btw.

Since the guys from Webmixer recently published a new version of their website, I would like to say a few words about my experience and impressions of interacting with this wonderful privacy tool, as well as about how Webmixer helps protect your privacy and anonymity of your financial transactions.

- As of today, Webmixer is a single-page application in which all interactions with the end user occuring without him having to jump and click through lots of pages. This not only helps to ensure a minimalistic, responsive and user-friendly design, but also helps users focus on the most important thing - ensuring their privacy with the help of transaction mixing tools.

- A combination of red, black and white colors of the light mode of the interface (the one that I personally prefer) impoves reading comprehension, motivating you to read all the FAQs present on the website very carefully to ensure the smooth interaction during mixing process.

- Needless to say that Webmixer website does not spy on you and does not analyze your activity by employing different trackers, you can check it for yourself by visiting this link: https://themarkup.org/blacklight?url=[banned mixer]&device=mobile&location=us

- As far as I understand, it also is not running any Javasctipt code on their website, at least enabling browser extensions like NoScript doesn't break its functionality.

- Based on the above observations, I can say with confidence that by interacting with this website you do not risk revealing your identity to third parties, which is a key factor when using such a tool.

- Moreover, Webmixer claims that all service information is wiped after 24 hours and that they doesn't keep any logs, which is also very good for keeping your privacy untouched, but unfortunately I dont't think it is possible to verify these claims.

- As for mixing process itself, it just works and works flawlessly: you can be sure that your deposit will have zero connections with your withdrawal.

I've actually encountered something similar. I provided evidence that my bitcoins came from an exchange, and the recipient (the P2P exchange platform Bitpapa) apologized for the misunderstanding and accepted the bitcoins by transferring them from the deposit address to their storage address. This surprised me, as it either meant that the AML tag was removed, or Bitpapa 'stained' their storage. Today, it became clear that the tag was unlikely removed. When I tried to transfer bitcoins from the Bybit exchange to Bitpapa's address, Bybit's compliance department warned of a high-risk level for that address, and attempting further transfers to any addresses of the same entity could result in a ban. Moreover, the Kraken exchange, from which my initial flagged transfer was made, seems to be facing a surge in complaints. Previously, their support responded within minutes, but now the response time has increased, and a query from December 11 remains unanswered.

Overall, I'm concerned that if Webmixer and other mixers openly claim to facilitate withdrawals from exchange addresses, AML services may be forced to deem all exchange addresses as high-risk.

Haha, are you amazed that coins coming from a legit exchange are flagged as dirty? That's how blockchain analysis works. All these AML scores and tags are bullshit, their algorithm doesn't work and I have a doubt that they tag transactions randomly to make it appear like their algorithm works and when you give them proof that your funds are clean and come from a legit source, they apologize and say that it was a false positive.

It's very bad that they represent bitcoin that way. First of all, if you are a victim of scam, that's not the fault of bitcoin. If you are a victim of theft, that's not the fault of bitcoin because you control your funds and if you lost them, search problem in yourself. I also think that they should put USD data next to Bitcoin to make things more clear.

I created this topic a while ago, in which you will find all the discussions related to Risk/AML score
These tools are not accurate and give results to the point that they cannot be relied upon as evidence in court and even Chainalysis failed to prove the accuracy of their results when there was an investigation.

The data showed that the volume of illegal transactions:

source https://amlcrypto.io

If the data is correct and compared to trading volumes and there is no regulated market, the percentage is very low.

Nothing strange there, this can always happen on most centralized services and exchanges.
There are many reports of customers account getting frozen without explanation, and they can make up any story about this.
Even the tools they are using to say if specific bitcoin is ''clean'' or not is full of flaws and it was never known to be accurate.
You are lucky that coins will be returned to sender's wallet address.

If this trend continues, in a few years 90% of all Bitcoins will be "dirty".
In fact, We will return to the division of services that require KYC and proof of origin for each transaction and services that do not require it.

Or maybe there's no “dirty” or “clean” bitcoin at all. Bitcoin is just Bitcoin but law enforcement and these centralized exchanges are trying so hard to make us think that our Bitcoin have to be “clean” if the source is anonymous, then they are not clean. Also, they are trying to force us into abandoning to use Bitcoins for daily activities for the fear of the bitcoins you own being tagged as “dirty”
Let's be honest, have you ever had anything like Clean dollars and dirty dollars? Should we say that the USD has never been used for Money Laundering or Financing terrorism?

It turns out that even bitcoins coming from an exchange can be flagged as dirty. Yesterday, my wife sent bitcoins from her account on kraken.com to my account on bitpapa.com. My Bitpapa account was blocked, and Bitpapa wrote:
If bitcoins from exchanges are no longer considered inherently clean, the purpose of exchanging non-exchange coins for exchange ones becomes obsolete.

I have to confess that I have never heard about Jabber before 

Maybe it is really out-of-date, from those times when I didn't use any messenger since my parents didn't allow me to own gadgets

But I will pay my attention to it, since telegram is far from anonymity and privacy.

If you take a look at BitcoinTalk's fields for instant messengers you'd say that Jabber is rocket science. The forum has fields for AIM, ICQ, MSN or Yahoo Messenger


SimpleX seems to offer full anonymity. It has open source code and its code was recently audited. As a plus, it requires no email, no phone number. For example, it is used also by eXch, which are very focused on anonymity and privacy.

I have to confess that I still use Jabber on a daily basis lol

However, I was also surprised to read that the support is available on Jabber, which I think is good, because unlike Telegram, Jabber gives you much more control over your data.

+1 for SimpleX, which would be a great addition!

Jabber? It looks so out-of-date! It's interesting to know how popular this communication method is among Webmixer’s clients. It certainly seems more anonymous than Telegram. But do many people remember how to set it up at all?

You could suggest something more modern, like SimpleX Chat or 0xChat, for instance. The latter operates based on Nostr, which is quite similar to Bitcoin. Anyone who mastered Bitcoin would easily navigate Nostr as well.