Topic: 📌 [banned mixer] - Maximum Anonymity 🤖 Fees 1 - 5% - page 3. (Read 2588 times)

We need some advice. Is it allowed according to the forum rules to ask someone else to make a local translation of a thread if a translation already exists? The problem is that the user who translated the thread into Russian did not update the informative links in the Russian-language OP, although our manager reminded him of this. Looking into the future, we would prefer to choose someone who is more outgoing.

There is a good Bitcoin calendar here: https://old.21ideas.org/bitcoin-calendar/ Unfortunately, it is in Russian only, but there are many memorable dates. For instance, Nov-28 was the day when bitcoin price surpassed the $1,000 mark for the first time, in 2013. The tenth anniversary of this achievement could be a reason for a contest related to the number 1000 or for a contest with a prize fund of $1000.

Perhaps we'll never know for sure what was inside Satoshi's mind, but it's certain that there are many subtleties present thorough his work. For example, Satoshi never talked about politics per se. Yet the message included in Genesis block says a lot about his libertarian and anarchic view. He did not use that article from Times only to prove the date of Genesis block, but he also expressed that he was against this bailout for the banks.

We can also remember some of his old emails, which also express his political view: "It's very attractive to the libertarian viewpoint if we can explain it properly. I'm better with code than with words though."

So yes, it could be that Satoshi chose on purpose the date for releasing the white paper...

Thank you! We just added a link to your topic in the OP. 

Next halving in April 2024 could be a good opportunity. I think for example, if you organize things like a physical wallet raffle (like Mixtum or Unijoin, or krogoth ones), it can be nice to fund the wallet with a tx included in the last block before halving   But yeah, still have to wait 170 days until halving..


Otherwise, you can scroll this link, it provides a lot of important dates related to BTC history : https://trustmachines.co/bitcoin-history/

I recently read an article about why the White Paper was published on the same date as Halloween.

It said that Satoshi deliberately chose this date because on this day Martin Luther announced his ideas that questioned the power of the Vatican. And it seemed interesting to me to do some kind of competition dedicated to some memorable date (unfortunately, Halloween has already passed).  Any ideas on this?

I wrote the about saying as a metaphor. internetional takes part of crypto while having a philosophy of sharing his personal information with everyone and promoting trusted third parties. I tried to explain him some risks associated with disclosing personal information and I also reminded him what was the meaning of Bitcoin, based on Satoshi's philosophy.

As he kept acting like "nothing bad can happen to me", I told him that such an approach is like saying "why would I need an antivirus? No virus would harm my PC" and, from here, the saying that "no house is robbed until is robbed for the first time". If he prefers to live like this I have nothing against it -- each one has a life and each of us chooses to what risks he can expose.

It depends where you live, and try telling that to people who live in high crime areas.
Try first not locking your car or bike when you get anywhere and see how it goes first, but I suspect you won't have them anymore soon after you start doing that.

Door has a lock, that is meant to be used and not for decoration purpose.
Some people can be paranoid about locking everything all the time, but once you get robbed you quickly change your mindset.
Lock wont protect from pro-robbers, but it will protect your from regular junky looking for a few bucks for his next fix.

Locking your door is not foolish. It just makes no sense in most cases.

In 2010, I met an American professor in Venice, who told me that in his neighborhood, it was not customary to lock the doors of houses. Even when he went to a conference in Europe, he left his door unlocked. According to him, the absence of locks fosters a sense of trust in the world, which ultimately contributes to inner peace more than a locked door.

I liked his idea, and I also stopped locking the door. At first, I noticed that it was convenient because it took less time for entering and exiting. Then I noticed another advantage: guests could wait for me in warmth and comfort if I was late.

I started locking the door again in 2017 after a drunken neighbor mistakenly entered our apartment one night and woke us up. But this habit didn't last very long. In the last two years, I've been living in a place where everyone knows each other, and no one locks their doors. I don't lock mine either.

Living with this approach is much more peaceful than constantly fearing that robbers will take something from your home. By the way, a door lock won't stop robbers.

Hmm… Very interesting. WebMixer provides its customers with coins from centralized exchanges, and there is a justified demand for coins sent from such exchanges. But why may people need to swap their coins to the ones coming from DEXs? What is the benefit?

Actually, the worst part is that a lot of people don't open their eyes even after an unfortunate or even dangerous incident, even happened directly with them. That is why they never learn even from their own mistakes, not to say from mistakes of the others, which could have prevented those incidents. Hence sometimes I think that here, on the forum, there is a tendency to communicate with people, who already know those things, and can potentially help each other to develop more sophisticated approaches and tools to safe themselves. But there is much weaker tendency to actually teach someone who had no idea about those things before and who will make some useful conclusions.

Well... I said something similar


Not everybody can be a hero. And, sadly, we can't have a nation of Cypherpunks. So yes, only some people did (and do) all these efforts and, based on their work, we can now access cyprography for free and we can also communicate in a private manner.


I believe this also happens because people are not educate to understand how valuable their personal information is. But some of them have the chance to read these posts and, maybe, a part of them open their eyes.


Yes, this is the same idea like "no house is robbed... until it is robbed for the first time". The principle "it can't happen to me" is correct until something happens to that person. The bad part is that some open their eyes only after an unfortunate incident. The good part is that some learn from others' mistakes and apply another principle -- "better safe than sorry"

It would be more correct to say that only some people have chosen and continue to choose this fighting path. And the majority do not care about this issue at all. They joyfully and enthusiastically disclose and give away their personal data to global corporations, whose main activity and income consists precisely in such collection and further sale to the intelligence services of different states and other global corporations that make money from targeting and using personal information to manage public opinions . And if you talk about this with such masses, they don’t seem to perceive all this as a secret or news, but they don’t care, because it’s convenient, and the other side of the issue doesn’t bother them too much. For now, at least. So far this has not affected them personally.

Thank you for sharing these. However, I can not agree with almost anything from what is stated there. It's simply an ill state of mind of seeing things that way and I will explain why.


Many think the same about Bitcoin, saying to themselves (for years) that it's too late for them to "jump on Bitcoin train". This is simply not true. Best moment to "enter Bitcoin" is now and this was true since Jan 3rd, 2009. Similar, although you revealed your personal information, you can still do some efforts for gaining back your privacy. GDPR is also very useful. Plus the Right to be Forgotten. You may not be able to delete your personal information from all the websites where you exposed it with naivete, but you can try though.


That was your unique selling point, which does not mean that it was also the only one. In a web of trust, as it was envisioned by Tim May more than three decades ago, you don't need to expose yourself for being trusted, but to build a reputation inside a web of trust. Such web of trust exists right here, on this forum. If you build a good reputation here and you receive positive feedbacks for successful deals, nobody will question who you are and -- be sure of that -- you will make deals way more / faster / better than anyone else coming back with his ID and saying he wants to make a deal. You can read more about reputation on the free market here.


That does not mean, for sure, that someone presenting with his real name can not make frauds. Should I remember, as example, the name Mark Karpelès?


There was no "returning to privacy", as nobody lost interest in privacy online in the past 5-7 decades (explained below).


It is as foolish as locking your door. After all, who would ever rob you, right? Or like using an antivirus.


Quite the contrary: in years 2000 we were in full-period of crypto wars. NSA, on one side, and Cypherpunks, on the other side. First outlawed free access to cryptography and export of cryptography outside US border, while the lattest did their best for offering people free access to cryptography, private comunications and software which rendered Big Brother obsolete.

However, these wars were nothing new. Look, for example, at the work of Dr. David Chaum and see when those manuscripts were published: "Untraceable Electronic Mail, Return Addresses, and Digital Pseudonyms", "Blind Signatures for Untraceable Payments" or "Security without Identification Card Computers to make Big Brother Obsolete".

The battle for free access to cryptography started in fact during Cold War and since then various tech-savvies fought hard for helping people in not being surveilled anymore, in having a peaceful life while having the benefit of privacy and of private communications. These lasted until NSA capitulated, at the end of 2000 decade, realizing that cryptography can not be stopped anymore. Julian Assange and Edward Snowden also gave huge hands of help on this matter.

So what you are saying -- "I remembered that there was no real privacy and anonymity on the internet as early as 2002" -- it's pure non-sense. People started fighting for their privacy since early years of cryptography, when it was banned in US to regular people.


This is true also if you are not rich. Once your personal information is exposed, you can't know what lunatic shows up at your door and tries to steal anything you have inside the house.


I can understand that only if we talk about anonymous, decentralized exchanges.

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Tl; dr: doctors tell you what to do, in order to be healthy, but it's only up to you if you want to live healthy or die at 40 years because of a stroke. Similar, it's safe to lock your door, especially at night. In crypto, it's recommended to not expose your personal information. But it's only up to you if you want to risk your money, your wealth, your house and, eventually, your life as well.

I have read the second one. I’ll read the first one today. It looks promising, thank you for the link.

I am not afraid of my personal data leak. I explained my opinion in Russian local some years ago, here is the translation:


I do understand people’s considerations about their personal data incase they have a lot of money. I also understand why people who have many bitcoins may need coins from the exchanges. And I really think that Webmixer’s service fits such people perfectly.

I will continue this discussion here so that we don't go off-topic in another thread.
yes, it is a good idea in the prevention of phishing to have some kind of ticker on the site with unique information that will be updated and linked to a certain post in the ANN thread on Bitcointalk. Some kind of additional verification that it is your official site.

Buchi Sorry, I missed your post. I just updated the OP and replied to your thread. 

In addition to the above statement, I will emphasize on the fact that working with CEXs expose you to many more other risks, including jeopardizing your life. All in all these are most important risks you have to take into consideration:



@international: did you read the above mentioned topics? Meaning 12 years later and people still don't know to use Bitcoin nor what it's good for and Why KYC is extremely dangerous – and useless.

Ok, but from my point of view:

The risks of using a mixer: losing some satoshis

The risks of using a CEX: losing some satoshis + your personal data (KYC/SoF) (+ potential legal/tax problems)

I'd rather take a risk to improve my privacy than take one to potentially ruin it.

But what is the difference between sending your coins to mixers and sending them to CEXes? Both types of services act as custodians while the time period when they hold the coins. So, people who doesn’t trust any CEX, should neither trust mixers. It means that the audience of mixers and of exchanges may be similar in some way.

Both are refreshed designs compared to the current one but the problem is that the images you posted are blurred especially when I try to zoom in for a clear view so it's hard to choose between the two.
Maybe you could try uploading the images of the two versions individually. But i like the general outlook of the new design.