Topic: [banned mixer] - Premium Bitcoin Mixer | Launched in 2018 🛡️ - page 4. (Read 25163 times)

thanks to the great initiative from icopress, we from Icarus will soon be able to present you the MixTum 0.001BTC cards. the production of the cards will start this week and will most likely be distributed by MixTum to the users in various raffles.
the total number of cards will be 20 for now.
i thank MixTum already for the great interest and cooperation 🤝

@[banned mixer]

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In the first post with the topic of the entire hosing, I already responded to dkbit98's statement, maybe I didn't have a good look at the whole discussion.


I think that here the parent does not have to take a high percentage of the earnings from the partners. Unlike child, hosting will not have to go into marketing much, so it is expected that they will give up that part of the profit.


I saw that Jambler even offers part of the profit to "investors" who bring clear Bitcoin (from exchanges for example). An interesting method, but it would be good to see how it looks in practice.


I see the problem of child mixers here because they all look and function very similar, almost the same. Well, that can lead the user to think that it is a clone or a scam.

For the reason of security their back-end server which runs  mixing procedure and relevant database/s must be their host while for the  front-end there is no such strict requirement. Instead of "child mixers"  I would advocate for implementing server failover (if they don't have any) as the other independent host.

I waited a bit to hear some other opinions not to be the only one pointing out some rather troublesome things that might arise.

Assuming the hosting thing was only for child mixing and not other services and that those child services would rely just as some do right now on Jambler but on Mixtum there are a few things that are pros and some cons
- for sure exposure, more people working for a referral fee, more business more money
- what would that be worth it, it would mean child mixers would also have a share of the pie, let's say 2.5% plus 5% it becomes pricy
- more mixed coins would normally mean higher mixing obfuscation but within the mixtum model, is this possible?
- obviously being exploited by a third party who would use this as a cover, but I don't know what would stop them from using it right now directly

I would like to play down the whole thing about getting in trouble because of a child mixer, nothing prevents the main branch from getting in trouble right now if somebody wants to abuse it and besides with a child service you could also play the I didn't know it card. I've never heard of big hosting companies getting in trouble for the content some users deployed on their reseller's platforms, it's always the first link of the chain that gets blamed for everything.

But of course, we could probably analyze this better if as much as the situation allows we would have a better view of what they would try to achieve, so if it's anything different than what we think it is please do correct us.

Mixtum is already a child of the Jambler.io Mixers partner network, and it is not the only one. It seems that such a system is working, at least for now.
It can be said that they all bear the same amount of risk as any other mixer.

The whole thing is still more of a question for the Mixtum team, What are their technical and financial capacities of course... Regardless, I believe it's only a matter of time before Jumbler gets competition.

Since quite a lot has already been said about the disadvantages of implementing such an idea, I will try to reflect on the potential pros. Child mixers can help distribute users' funds. That is, anonymity increases even more. Since the mixers in general are created to achieve this very goal, I think the increase in anonymity can be a good reason for users to use this particular service. Also, strategies, mixing algorithms may differ from the main mixer to the child ones, so users have more choice this way, which in turn again enhances confidentiality. Since anonymity is the main reason why users turn to mixers, I think that ways to deepen it are very promising for those who offer such services.

This is a very good point of view, together with the fact that users should trust the mixer even more than they should trust it anyway, for using its services. Usually, a mixing website should imply to keep the trust needed at a minimum level.

And, in this regard, I would also ask this question: is there any other mixer with such functionalities? I did not hear about any other one yet... So I believe that other developers, in case they thought about such idea, since they did not use it then it must have more cons than pros...

I'm afraid that the disadvantages clearly outweigh the benefits here:

• For me as an end customer, the question would arise why I should use a child service and not go straight to the original. Mixtum will most likely charge fees for operating the service, so the savings opportunities for end customers won't be too great either. Without fees, MixTum will hardly offer this, as it will directly create a competition that will drain its own customers. There would have to be a "unique selling point" for each child service, which would also give the end customer a clear advantage for using it. To balance this in such a way that MixTum does not harm itself, is I think almost impossible.
• For MixTum itself, offering child services would also have a potentially big disadvantage: they would be a very lucrative target for authorities to seize them. If MixTum were to be shut down in such a case, many other mixers would also be shut down in one fell swoop. In addition, it is much more likely that details will become known in such a corporate network that make MixTum more vulnerable (contracts, access-logs, ...). The effort to protect the identities is therefore most likely also significantly increased.

Even if I could definitely like the idea behind it from MixTum's point of view, very good strategies would have to be considered here in order to mitigate the disadvantages. Then, however, the question arises for me whether the expected profit is so great that the whole thing is worthwhile. However, one would have to know the balance sheet of MixTum to be able to judge that.

I think this is a bad idea. Hosting as a service or business is very complex. It requires a serious infrastructure, I believe that in this case, it would require much more than the mixing service itself.


Mixer services are not the worst thing that exists on the Internet. There are much more serious violations of some norms, I'm not sure that's the reason hosting providers are shutting down. I believe only after refusing to cooperate and forwarding the collected data about the "risky" hosted site.

As far as I know, there are hosting services that do not require KYC, so with access through a VPN, it is theoretically possible to create anonymity there. But as I have never used hosting with such possibilities, I cannot claim this with certainty.

Yeah, been trying to get the deal on hosting services and it’s too vague but if I should narrow things down, am left with domains to consider…
Is that it @Icopress or am just not getting it?

Indeed it's a very sensitive issue and those child mixers could be a big problem to Mixtum because one of them might be use by hackers to mix stolen funds that the government will trace the stolen coins to their mixer and an attempt to go after them, Mixtum comes into the picture and also become a targeted mixer by the FBI. It's just not worth the risk.

The pros has to do with publicity (Mixtum getting more popular in the crypto space) and a stream of revenue for hosting other mixers but the cons comes with getting shutdown (probably due to the reason I described above).

I've gave a try on the Free-Try mode ,

everything went smoothly, nothing to report.. perfect! 👍 🙂

Hosting service for what exactly? Just for mixing websites??
I am not sure this is a good idea, and I wouldn't call any hosting service really independent.
Now just imagine scenario of some government shutting down and seizing mixer, they would automatically seize all the data from connected hosting service.

1miau, stompix Thanks for joining the discussion... I guess we'll see more big names in this thread soon.  

While you're here, I'd like to bring up a topic... not too long ago I was chatting with MixTum about the prospects of creating a completely independent hosting service, and I would say that MixTum is open to dialogue. Unfortunately, my technical knowledge is not enough to provide compelling arguments in favor of implementing this idea. I know that this is a very sensitive issue that requires a lot of money and a good specialist, but hypothetically this could allow you to take mixing to a new level (including hosting for all child mixers). Although, on the other hand, this is, on the contrary, a huge hole in vulnerability... so I would be grateful if someone more technically trained took the time to describe all the pros and cons.

Finally, I've found some time to write a few words as well.  

First, your website is very nice and clean (very important for a mixer) ^^ and overally I like your design very much. It's clear and straight forward.
Most information is available on your website, people can read all important information and discover it easily.

But one important point: before entering our address, where outgoing funds should be sent to, it would be nice to display your minimum / maximum deposit amounts.
Because it happenend to me, when I wanted to mix a small amount first, I needed to cancel my attempt because my amount has been lower than allowed. If displayed first, how much min. amount is needed, we could see it directly before starting to enter any data.

Mixing process is easy but maybe when coins are send you can add a few lines what to do next / how to proceed. It might clear some remaining questions. Mixing itself went without problems in MixTum's specified time frame and arrived in my wallet. I'm just wondering because I received 2 transactions and transaction fees of these 2 transactions have been exactly the same. Is it normal or wouldn't it be better to have different tansactions fee amounts? Maybe I'm not aware and missing how it's better like it is (most likely MixTum has a reason to handle it like that). Just curious.  

Fees are between 4-5% + 0.0007 BTC but especially a fixed BTC amount (+ 0.0007 BTC) hurts for low amounts making it around 10-15% fee to mix around 200 USD of Bitcoin, where I woud say it's quite high, but we also know MixTum applies a new innovative mixing strategy and while Blockchain analysis companies are improving constantly, paying a bit more and receiving a good service is better than paying low fees, where even a script kiddie can code a program to connect incoming and outgoing transaction.

What I would like is an independant coder (or many) doing an investigation, if your mixing strategy is really that realiable and input + output can't be connected, like here from madu.
But from all mixers out there currently, I believe MixTum is far ahead of mixing practices.

After all, I believe its a good deal because MixTum can become a very innovative and also trusted mixer. I'm definitely looking forward to MixTum establishing their service.  

Finally managed a few days to get enough free time and a bit of silence around me to sum it up and not forget the details I come across, hard to do it while on holiday, so to mix a bit of funds and have a better look at what I'm advertising.

From the start, what matters, it all went well, I trusted the thing about the clean coins so I did risk one of my exchange accounts that's fully KYC and it's been way more than 72 hours so I guess the coins are indeed clean.

Now the small details that I encountered:
The free mixing:
- the mixer offers a 1mbtc free mix to test it, I didn't choose that option since I thought everyone that was doing that,  but I did browse a bit so I realized that even if you choose the free mixing the calculator at the bottom will still show you a fee and the sums as 0.00025.Don't know if it's a turn-off for a newbie trying to test it, as obviously it will still pay the fee if he ever does bigger sums but I guess it was worth mentioning, the team probably knows better the data behind usage.

The guarantee letter
- Since the WW fiasco I have looked more at these letters of guarantee which in CM times I didn't even bother, so lesson learned. WW had those before and after the cash out, with it being issued for the mixing address before a coin even leaves your pocket might grant a bit more ease of mind to the ones doing the mix. No matter what technical issues arise with the website the letter is there the addresses are there, so less hassle and more traditional simple mixing feels better right now.

The process itself:
- the letter said it's valid for 168  hours BUT! I wasn't going to be that guy and test what happens if I send a fee that will not confirmed in that time, probably anything under 5sat/B won't make it in a week but I'm still curious, what happens if someone does so?
The FAQ says:
But I'm pretty sure since Mixtum is that old it never encountered a period of months (4 counting now) when small fee tx are not getting confirmed.
So, are funds received after the expired time returned? Probably a confirmation would bring a bit of relief to people who are by nature more suspicious and worried about everything.
I realize that it's something stupid to send 2 BTC while getting cheap and paying 5sat/b to save 20 cents but you never know!

- the funds did get sent in the timeframe,  again after having to wait for hours Whirwhind, this was a relief, but I must acknowledge I was a bit anxious all the time, reading other reviews there must be a bit of randomness in the interval so I guess it's enough.

- I did try to follow a bit the source of money, but I'm on a mobile and I'm really not comfortable checking it, as long as it works it works.

I think Mixtum is a bit different in what offers, rather than breaking the chain it offers you clean coins, so if you're not just wanting to hide where coins came from but have no fear of sending those to services it's worth paying the price,  the fee might be steep for some but if indeed it delivers, then the end result might give more peace of mind which worth a lot.

Once I'm back home I will try the precise payment method, I just went over it, and here is a suggestion, maybe remove the calculator from that page, It makes no sense having it since the amounts are already fixed and it uses a different percentage fee.

Another thing, about the reviews I mentioned:
https://bitcoin2litecoin.com/best-bitcoin-mixing-services/
They seem like they've edited the page recently and I can't find Mixtum on it anywhere, probably got paid by somebody else to be listed there or are trying to fleece you to keep you listed.

Thank you!

We really overlooked these old reviews, and will try to update the information soon (and also try to update the FAQ).

Till I'll be able to create my own review as being on the mercy of a hotel wi-fi for Tor is a pain in the ass, I wanted to point out two things on the review page:


Both links are dead, faucethub.io redirects to faucetgame.com which is up for sale on sedo and Bitcoin-mixer.biz is on saw.com (also a domain broker).

Just edited my previously reserved post with my review of MixTum