Topic: Before you take sides (Read 742 times)

Because these casinos are not showing the gambling community what they want to know, because of security reasons these casinos don't want to show their pieces of evidence on how they traced cheaters because of fear that cheaters will have an upper hand and will find a way to exploit the systems that has been detected by cheaters, so casinos do not want that to happen, so we are left on just believing what these casinos are saying.
The gambling community will eventually lose confidence in casinos that keep doing this whenever someone wins a big amount, and casinos that sometimes do this are new because they cannot sustain paying their big winners.

This means that both casinos and gamblers can cheat, but greedy gamblers usually cheat by using multiple accounts to get the bonuses the casino gives. They don't care about the rules of the casino, so they cheat to get the bonus. But at least the casino will know because they have a team that will guard their casino against people who want to cheat and will punish those who cheat by freezing their accounts so they can't use them anymore. The casino can also detect the use of accounts owned by gamblers so that the casino will know what the gambler is doing. As for cheating casinos, it will be done by shady casinos, and this has been happening for a long time, so we have to be more careful and vigilant in choosing a casino.

Maybe there are few cases which the accusation is true and the reputed casino settles the problem so that it won't grow huge and affect them badly. Some customers don't really care if the casino got an accusation from someone else. They only focus on their junk. Even without their help, an honest and powerful casino can always solve their issues easily. If the accusation happens in the forum, I'm sure many users will care here and try to defend their favorite casino.

This is often the case that happens anywhere but it was mostly taken as a joke by those losers and they don't create a scam accusation thread because they know that it's useless. They can not affect the reputation of the casino.

Casinos have teams in their respective departments so that they can really be relied on in handling all forms of problems including fraud committed by customers.
It can also be seen that many cases of cheating have been discovered and resolved by the team but some of the customers who cheated and were suspended even stated that they had been cheated or did not receive good service from the casino.

It is true that cheating by taking advantage of bonuses has happened lot and having multiple accounts is one of the things that is often used to get more bonuses but as time goes by they are caught by the casino.
Casinos have quite lot of ways to deal with such activities for example by checking IP addresses.

Some players can of course use VPN so that the IP is not tracked if it is the same but now more and more casinos have banned the use of VPN.

Figuring out who's cheating in gambling is already “why” for me. I mean right from the beginning, I am convinced that casinos are cheating players too and there are some players who are actually cheater not getting caught.
But I think a lot of times it's the gamblers trying to pull a fast one, maybe by messing with bonuses or using multiple accounts. So youre right that getting to the bottom of it boils down to having solid proof. You know, the folks involved probably have the best idea of what really went down. So having their side of the story and some concrete evidence is key. It's like solving a puzzle where you need all the right pieces to see the whole picture and figure out who's playing fair and who's not. Transparency and careful investigation are super important here to keep things fair and square for everyone involved. Also, if you dont have anything good to say to your co-players, just dont say anything at all

The evidence here clarifies who is cheating and who is honest so that the public can judge it. But often, the users are at fault and cannot show evidence but only accuse the casino of cheating. But when the casino representative comes and explains everything, including showing the evidence in the casino and being able to give reasons why the gambler cheated, the gambler usually can't say anything else because he can't show the evidence as the casino does.

We do not take sides with anyone and are neutral if we encounter such cases. We may only have an opinion based on the evidence provided by the casino or gambler; from that evidence we can see who is cheating. However, honest gamblers and honest casinos will not cheat because they respect each other. But there are dishonest gamblers and shady casinos and this is what we must avoid so that we do not suffer losses.

Online casinos have some differences from crypto casinos but both have different risks of scam.
Online casinos which are predominantly fiat-based are not really clear about their reputation and trust rating making it possible for scams to occur.
Meanwhile crypto casinos also have the same chance of scam occurring but this is only for small or new casinos and for large trusted casinos I think there is only a small percentage of scams occurring.

Some casinos do this on purpose they delay the payment or withdrawal process if large amount is withdrawn because the team will check whether the gambler is cheating or not when they get the big win.
And there are also those who deliberately delay because they don't have enough bankroll to process the withdrawals made and this will result in the account being frozen.
We have to be careful and clever in choosing the casino we will use so that we don't experience problems like that.

It is not that easy to say that such cases do not occur inside Fiat casinos.
There are several cases out there of fiat casinos not paying their customers and as I said above they all have the risk of being scam.

I think I have fallen victim to such before, where the gambler narrated his own side of the story, making things look all good for him. Without doubt, I sided with the gambler, blaming the casino for their actions. This was because I have always kept in mind that casinos are not always friendly to their users when it comes to them winning big.
 
But then again, when I went back to read about the entire case as others have contributed and more details have been uncovered, it appears that the person in question has taken advantage of the casino mistake, which was either an odd mistake or a bug. I can't really recall which member used such an average to win a game first and notice that it works, and then make another huge deposit, which made the last winning alarming and trigger the casino to investigate the issue.
 
Even when we don't have access to the casino data base to confirm the authenticity of the story, it's really important to take things easy and wait for the accused side of the story before drawing conclusions about a matter.

But there are also casinos that don't want to provide evidence and make it public, usually because of the security of their site and in the end this is also misused by other casinos using the same reasons and in the end people suspect that the casino is cheating too and taking away the user's money, on the one hand also the user Those who cheat must include evidence that they are not cheating and if they only explain without evidence their truth will not be recognized by the community.

That's why I won't side with anyone, either the accuser or the accused, until both of them really provide concrete evidence to reveal to each other which one is actually cheating because we don't always defend the casino because it could be that the casino is cheating too, the point is to provide clear evidence. strong because it is very important to win the case.

I agree with you its really hard to find out who is cheating because it is not right to blame both sides here the exact story is unknown to many. That's why everyone should proceed by considering the right thing to get rid of fraud. Many times gamblers are rewarded for their ability to solve something by resorting to bad luck when something bad happens to them. Cheating usually involves breaking the law, so as to gain an unfair advantage in competitive situations. No wonder pathological gamblers may lie cheat and even steal to continue feeding their addiction.

The gambler who made the comment might be right, but it's also possible that there's more to the story. Although, It's important to always consider both perspectives and not jump to conclusions. If the gambler will be able to share his strategy and explain how he was not trying to cheat and the casino will also share the evidence of his violation of the terms of service, maybe they could come to a more fair resolution. I think in this type of situations, transparency is really important because without transparency, it's hard for either side to feel like they're being treated fairly. And it's especially important for the casino to be transparent, since they're the ones with more power in the situation. Although, some casinos have made it clear that if there is any form of violation, user account can be ban without notice or explanation.

But licensed casino will never ever do that according to this article Can Casinos Kick You Out for Winning  "In general, the answer is no. Casinos are not allowed to ask patrons to leave simply because they are winning. This is because it is illegal for casinos to discriminate against patrons based on their race, gender, or any other protected class. Additionally, this would be a violation of the patron’s right to due process and would be considered unfair and unethical." It simply state that no matter how much a gambler win he/she cannot be legally kicked out of the casino unless they violate certain rules, the casino that would do that can face charges from the gamblers if found guilty and it will cost them much or worst be closed. So I think getting kicked out in casino because of winning too much is more likely happening less, maybe some there are some cases but I think those casinos are scam.

That's what will happen to a gambler who cheats against his casino because the casino knows his business best. Many people may try to cheat, but many of them are caught because of their own cheating and have their accounts frozen by the casino. They can't do anything because the casino must prevent gamblers from cheating against the casino.

And yes, the casino has supporting evidence that shows the gambler cheated. Gamblers certainly won't be able to avoid it if there is evidence of their cheating. But some gamblers insist that they are not cheating and just gambling like everyone else.

No! I don't usually take sides even in real life situations. There will always be two sides of the story and listening to one side would be a bias one and that where we judge based on what we hear and see. Behind the scenes specifically in gambling makes no different with it. I remember I watched someones vlog on YouTube about someone he is helping recover from gambling addiction that cost his entire wealth to vanish it was more or less $6.2M that's what the guy told him but soon discover that it was all a lie. The said YouTuber gave the liar all his needs and even gave him small capital to start a business but everything was gone after figuring out the truth. This is a good example of this, as we don't really know the truth behind stories so be aware before taking sides.

Taking side in or truly believing what an individual says in a scenario like this is the last thing I can ever advise any gambler to do without making proper research or hearing from both parties involved. So I totally agree with you on what you just said, and as such, I will like to put to your notice that gone are those days when people could hope of by-passing casinos, as with the help of technology, its now hard to be able to try to bypass the system without getting caught.

To find out who the gambler or casino is actually cheating is not easy. However, I am more convinced that the majority of cases occur because gamblers cheat so that their accounts are suspended or banned. There are many patterns that gamblers can use to cheat, one of which is abusing bonuses, wager, or multiple accounts.

The best way to judge who actually cheated is to present supporting evidence. Maybe that's all we can do to know who is right and who is wrong. The ones who know best what happened are themselves

A very common human being behavior on which you would really be having that kind of defensive mechanism on the time that you had been losing that much and there's really a time that you would really be throwing those baseless accusations into the public but just like on what we do know that the community wont really be that conclusive or easily to believe on what that certain person is been saying.
Yes, we do know that frustrations and anger could really be leading up with that kind of impulsive words to be thrown around but without sufficient proofs or whatsoever that would really that justify about your
claims then it wont really be taken up seriously and this is always been that the case. Taking sides are most likely to be done on the time that the community do really be able to see that those proofs are solid
and legit.

We've seen tons of issues that had been written into this forum and there's real and most of them are just fake or simply you do able to tell that its reall fake and just for the purpose on
tainting out other competitors business then probabilities is really there which it turns out to be that an ordinary day if there's some complains and negative words
that been thrown out into someone.

so if I understand what you mean supposing the individual comes with the same story about a small casino it should have been an allegation that is said to be true because it concerns a small casino. In this I'll say we're still going circles about the subject if we construct my viewpoint in this way. It is true we have some fraudulent, cheating and non policy abiding gamblers  and as humans we don't like to accept blames in a matter we're in the wrong , there's usually this defensive explanation mechanism in humans.

however if we assume all lodged  cases relating to ban due to too much winnings as a story not to be given attention but to discard it even before it landed then we will in that might as well discard genuinely lodged cases of that nature without knowing. That's is why it's rational to give give attention to them all but not to jump into conclusion immediately until an unbiased investigation is made and the truth discovered. You can call it a fair hearing.

And what you say is true, in fact, to be honest, I am not interested in watching channels of content creators who make gambling videos, tricks, tips, and so on. whether live or regular video, most of the goals are nothing more than what you say. nothing else, most of them only do it to get paid from the audience. moreover, those who provide dirty tricks, and all kinds of things. usually, in reality it is only part of what they have engineered. Even though I don't want to say everything, most of it is like that. with the exception of videos that provide tutorials on the initial stages of how to bet on certain games.
Even so, they also want to get paid from the audience. even though in reality, there is nothing wrong with what they do. The most important thing is not to violate the ToS of the platform they use, let alone violate the law.

As for the violations or abuses committed by some gamblers, as a result of which the casino prohibits them, practices like that are not something strange to hear. by blaming the casino for not paying out their winnings on the pretext of always winning, but usually it is the gamblers who cheat. although this is not the case in every case, because there are also rogue casinos. That's why, choosing a trusted casino that has a high reputation and credibility is a must for our comfort.

There are few cases of people who cheated and came to complain on the forum, this is because the first thing that happens when someone comes to complain about a casino on this forum, is that people ask the guy who is complaining to post proof, without proof no one believes the person who is complaining about a casino. Therefore, the number of people who complain about casinos are, most of the time, people who are right, and it is enough to see that in cases of scam accusations against casinos,

Most cases involve new casinos and when I talk about new casinos I am referring to casinos that were created 2 years ago, this is because many of these new casinos have created TOS precisely to serve as weapons to prevent their customers from being able to make withdrawals. It's sad to see people begging for casino support to respond to them, months without the casino resolving their problem and meanwhile the same casino that has many accusations of scam continues to operate normally. I don't understand how some people can have the courage to stay using scam casinos. They leave good casinos like stake and use new casinos that have strange rules and then withhold funds from customers

Over the years that I have been on this forum, there have been few cases in which there has been someone who has accused a casino of cheating, so when you see accusations of scam against a casino, know that the chances of the casino being right are low. , and the chances of the person complaining are very high that he is correct. Unfortunately, this is the scenario we have.