Topic: Before you take sides - page 3. (Read 658 times)

If it's properly explained by the casino, then they can slap the face of those who complaint against them.

If it's properly explained by the gambler, then the community will side to them and will wait for the casino response.

Of course, we don't want to take side right away without knowing both parties side.

The gambling industry had the big win to their gambler in one day,but the gambler should ready to face the small losses in the game till the big win.It doesn't mean,the people who get continuous loss in the gambling will made their big win one day.The fact is anyone can win the gambling big win by their good luck in the gambling.The gambler who report of ban of account is mostly due to the mistake made by the gambler.So the gambler can’t say the ban by the gambling site because of the big win on the gambling site until he prove to us.

In the gambling industry, we know that it is not talked about that we have to be smart to win big money in the casino or whatever. Because there is probably no casino, they will build a gambling business without knowing what they are getting into. All its owners can be said to be smart and not allow players who gamble on their platform to defeat them.

Now, if there are other players who file a complaint because their account is banned, there are only two reasons: first, the gamblers don't know all the policies, and second, the gambling platform just doesn't want to do what the complaining gambler wants to happen.

Indeed, if a person fails to verify their account, while wagering money on a casino. Definitely, to reduce money laundering, they'll be asked for KYC, during withdrawal. It's always important to read their TOS and endeavor not to break any. Gambling platforms are not decentralized and most times the owner can get tricky on players too. What if the owner is breaking the TOS he made? as it seems that they make the rules to break it on big winners. The complaints we read about the actions of gambling admins to big players doesn't sit well. Breaking a rule out of many, doesn't guarantee treating a player like he's not a customer outside the platform. Despite being banned he has the privilege to be attended to properly regarding why he's been banned.  Especially, when he just won big amount. Yes, it's boldly written on their tos, about the implication of breaking rules. Yet a player can appeal to get paid by the casino. There are multiple questionable reasons why a person can be banned from any casino. But the player, whose account got removed, while feeling cheated needs some explanation and most crucially their funds. You see how the issue escalate. Many big rollers have lost hundreds of thousands in gambling, due to ban. Is it how casinos make extra income? Some jackpots when paid can run down the casino. New casinos, if they pay a player the huge amount worth their winning, can easily go bankrupt. The owner of the casino would say hell no, and find faults. A casino who doesn't want to go bankrupt, doesn't care about whatever the player does to get back to them. Which originates the ill treatment transferred to the player. By ignoring them. The player on his end desperately needs the money. Who amongst them will you side? I'm going for or with the player. Additionally, these TOS are too large to read and we may not notice, when a quick change appears on the rules. Casino owners can be shady. To some extent playing with aged casinos is being advised. Because new casinos, can fail their player to save the business. It all gets complicated as it goes.

A reader should be neutral in his feelings when taking sides.  One should take both facts without any kind of bias feeling and see through the evidences objectively.  If one become subjective then taking sides will become biased and may lead us to support the one who is doing the wrong and illegal activity.

If we are biased inclined to one party, then any evidence provided by the other party will be worthless because we alredy have decided who to take side with even before we saw the presented evidence of the case.


True that, this is the reason why have the need to listen to the other side of the story since most people that tells their story in a dispute only reveal the information that is favorable to them, they might even twist some fact to justify their claim.

Op you are at right track because for a gambling platform to block someone account that means that person most have broken the rules and regulations of the gambling platform, because I know very well that gambling platform have to do with instructions especially casinos, like some people do not like verify their account before depositing or withdrawing a platform of casino as it is being instructed by the platform, so this is one of the issues that may cause issues for a casino platform to block an account of their patronize, let us try to admit to gamble rules and regulations because the site is owned by someone.

You must be a beginner, if you don't know that because it's a well known fact in the gambling industry bro, casinos are profit-oriented businesses, and very skilled or lucky players can pose financial risks to them. So they limit or ban such players to protect their profits. It's rare for (online) casino games gamblers but it's very common for sport bettors. Actually, if casinos/sportsbooks were as fair and honest as you claim, they would write explicitly in their terms and conditions that they don't ban or restrict account of winners, or they would at least tell it in their advertisements, but that's not the case, their ToS are mostly vague on that matter letting them doing it without saying it explicitly to avoid bad reputation.
Telling this kind of things here, in the gambling section it's advocating for scammy and dishonest platforms and defaming victims, so I would be careful if I was you because some DT members could give you a red tag for that.

Gamblers have given the freedom to say what’s in their mind, and if they think they are being cheated or the casino games have been rigged, they will surely voice out everything to call the attention of the casino. But we also know reputable casinos are smarter enough to manage all these accusations especially if those gamblers are the ones at fault. And I believe before the casino resort into banning this certain gambler, most especially if it’s a long time gambler in their casino, they have researched well already and found out everything the wrong behaviors of the gambler.

The gambler was mostly try to get the win from the game,but the probability of winning from the gambling is very low.The gambler with experience will know the gambling win was based on the luck of the gambler.The gambler may wish to earn more money from the gambling win,but every win had their own dedication by the gambler and practise in the game.The gambler with the responsibility will consider the gambling as their fun based game.They never take the gambling as the source of income.

I always believe that in every situation, there’s always two sides of the story. And if the gambler has accuse the casino, that’s when I start thinking that there’s also something wrong with this gambler why the casino has banned him or restricted his account that he won’t be able to bet again. I don’t consider the gambler’s side, nor the casino’s side. But one thing is certain, the casino won’t easily end up with its final decision if the gambler has never commit a mistake or has never break a rule in the first place.

Well, when it comes to doing things in the casinos there are usually a lot of problems, there are always the usual trolls that you don't know how to deal with them, where the best thing is to criticize them, those who really make mistakes in the casinos and that violate the rules and are drooled, but I have rarely seen casinos that retract due to their wrong behavior with the players, at the time, in these cases you seem quite strange to me, because the casinos always have many methods of defense Personally, some only make themselves known so that they can do other types of things, first, a person believes that they will always be right, second, if there is a vulnerability or something that a player has committed, well sometimes the It's not the player's fault, it's the casino's own fault for allowing these things, the programming is intended for this, there is a case where they talked about a player on Rollbit where they banned him and the truth is I don't know the reason why they banned him, because According to the case, for me the player did nothing wrong, I don't know if the casino's vulnerabilities include the fact that he didn't comply with a KYC and yet they let him pass and things went wrong but for the player. It seems that he didn't appreciate it at all either, so sometimes the casinos take such strange initiatives, that I really don't know where the mistake was, or the infraction that the casino discovered.


There are also many times that some players stick with a casino to hurt them and invent certain situations to get money from them, and when they do it, they have no proof or screenshots, so that is something very empty, and it is usually done by someone with new accounts, then things don't work like that for new accounts, you may be a novice exposing the topic, but you must know how to do it, that is, with its corresponding tests, such as showing the tests , screenshots , and everything necessary to being able to know what can be deferred to or not.

We see a lot of stories like that, but when representatives from the casino start to answer all the accusations, finally everything starts to become clear, it is difficult to admit a mistake, especially if it was something that was done intentionally by outsmarting the betting site.
I agree that betting sites will not ban user accounts without a clear reason and if this is done without a reason then it is clear that the betting site is a site for cheating because we see this also exists in the world of gambling, as is done by one of the betting sites in this forum has a lot of unresolved complaints, but they still get new players and these players end up having an unpleasant situation where their funds cannot be withdrawn.

Gambling on casinos is like a war between the player and the house. Anything can happen, It's either we win or lose. Not just in the game, but with our arguments with the casino. The story is weighed on the provided legitimate evidence, in court. In places like a gambling forum, such stories can be manipulated by the player or the casino representative. Who wish to do a good job to cover for their reputation. People can't lie often without making mistakes. Even if they do it perfectly in one case, they could fail on another. When the casino and the player explains the cause of their problem or dispute. The community will evaluate it and side who's saying what sounds like the truth. Because, we're evaluating a case involving whooping amount of money, the both parties must be present. In most threads, the casino rep wouldn't show up to clear the air. How then do you expect members to evaluate the problem. They'll easily believe the player with his evidence. Whether manipulated or not. Though he may not be funded or refunded by the casino, but the reputation it costs them will mean a lot. It is the responsibility of the casino to watch any reputation thread concerning them, to always defend themselves. Nobody will believe the casino if the player is saying the truth and vice versa.

Hence, if a victim unknowingly boycotts the TOS of a casino, nobody will side them. It's the player's fault. Yet to some extent, like my previous response said; why right about now? after winning big. Once the casino agrees with the player's evidence that he won big. Then got denied of his winning, for breaking some TOS. The interpretation is clear. The casino punished him because he won big. A good number of critics will see to it that way. That's why most a times, the player wins the case. On the other flip, if a player losses serially and got banned, such cases doesn't appear anywhere. Hope that stairs a reasonable argument, that's why sometimes the casino go Scot free too. Like I said earlier, it's a both sided fight. While some follow the story line of the casino as the truth, others will definitely believe the player. Whoever, however, whenever, wins the fight goes home victorious.

I think that most people who cheat and get caught, only to later come here on this forum to complain about/accuse the online gambling casino of scamming them are people who cannot hold themselves to a personal standard of honor and justice. But casinos also have made mistakes in the past and they need to be held accountable. So we should not judge before we have all the facts and all the evidence. Only after investigating objectively, we can make an honest assumption of what really transpired between the gambler and the casino.

We are not arbiters but the casinos should know not to disrespect their gamblers or any connected communities. Not only are they a major source of new gamblers but also a major source of new ideas. That alone deserves respect. And if the casinos decide to openly disrespect their community, then they should suffer the consequences.

For them its a business, for us it is community entertainment.

There's always just one reason for it. You took the risk, that's why its a gamble.
But sometimes gamblers are looking for the RTP. They just want to experience the gambling site giving back to them what is for them.
What if for a month you are always in red? Hatred will probably build up and a gambler will say he is being robbed which I do understand after playing the games for quite some time. It's truly a robbery in disguise. The motto of "the house will always win" is real. We cannot win against them and the only perks we have is the bonuses that will be given.
I didn't really mind gamblers who say they were robbed back then until I myself have witnessed it. We should be wise on when to get out because the chances of the gambling site trying to get all back the winnings is high.

Gamblers are taught how to be wise but we all know that the casino itself is much wiser than its players. That's why if some gamblers accuse the casino for being not fair to their rules because they were being banned, I think the casino itself has its own valid reason why they do such banning. It's either these players create injustice to their games, or they are just irresponsible gamblers who don't know how to respect their rules and still act as if they were the victims. So every side has its own story, but as far as I know, a reputable casino won't waste its time doing things that will certainly ruin their reputation that they have built for a very long time.

There's a lot of post like that here and it's hard to accept the allegation instantly about the casino banning them. For sure there's a reason why the casino banned them especially if it came from a well known reputable casino. This is why it is important to have a active casino representative here to share their sides about the incident. We need the other side of the story to prove who is right and who is wrong depending on the reasons and proofs of both sides. There are casinos before who mistakenly banned gamblers and casinos who banned them for no exact reason, the allegations we seen before are also the same, just to tarnish the image of the casino.

Both parties had proof and reason = easy to find out who we need to side.

In the case of casino, most complaints have violated the rules before they get a ban from the casino. In the case of crime, the judge may know that the accused is lying I might till have mercy on the person not to give very hard judgement or punishment but casinos protect their image and will hardly go back from the ban because they don't want to lose money from the player again. In casino business, it is between the player and the casino and so it is more serious, if the gambler gets a ban it means they have done some cheating against them. I understand your but though but we need to be sure that the player who is complaining is fair enough before complaining.

When the victim tends to say that they've been abused and they've been done wrong by the casino, the belief of everyone is on them because they're only telling one side of their stories. They won't admit what they did wrong to make it look like the problem is from the casino.

On the other side, the casinos will just tell what's the cause of the actions and decisions they've placed to that complaining user.

It's always good to ask the both side of the stories and just keep yourself neutral until your assessment is clear on which side you want to make. Just keep yourself open to any thoughts and possibilities before taking someone's side.

I think both the casinos and gamblers have their fair share of malpractice. Casinos might use manipulative tactics to keep players hooked, while some gamblers might attempt to cheat to win. It just depends on the number of people who’ll believe either side of the story, whic can be manipulated too! In the end, both are still inbthe game because both wants money. But then, research is so important. Let’s not normalize passing unverified stories and when you know you are on the right side, be firm about it. Not because many believe or do the wrong thing does not mean it is right.