Topic: Before you take sides - page 6. (Read 658 times)

The gambler will know they loss huge money after the big money loss by the continuous game,till that he won’t do the releasing of the loss in the game.If the gambler who win and say his account get ban,ask him the gambling site name.You personally check that gambling site is real or fake.If the gambling site was good,two possibility of happening in your friends words.First he may do the lie to you,because you may ask loan for the benefit of yourself from the money he earned by their hard work.Second one is he get banned because of the wrong action against the site rules.

Exactly the point what i was making about claims of Dana White 2 days ago.

It's the human nature to rather make yourself the victim, rather then identifying as a person who knowingly did a bad thing. For example everyone knows a person who has being sexually assaulted, but no one seems to have any perpetrators as friends, even though that not knowing any is statistically quite impossible.

Being a victim goes for some reason with the gambling as well, it's always everyone else to blame. Either casino has a glitch and you lose money or if you get kicked because of inappropriate behaviour, you are so shamed that you rather make up stories.

So we don't hear as much confessions of bad behavior as much as excuses and lies, and those are even easier to believe from someone you respect.

I'm guilty. I took the side of Dana because I'm a kissass.
I should have believed the guy was counting cards. If the story was true. I could really picture him dragged outside by the bouncers and thrown out landing on a muddy puddle.

In the other thread about the user who claimed he was restricted from playing certain game and claiming bonuses, maybe he did something like abuse. I wanna be on the casino side this time. 

For the fact that we can't take one person side while judging such issues whenever their are brought here to avoid making one sided judgment,  that is why we most times request for members who want to make any complaint to add all the necessary evidence to back up they claims,  and any accusations or case without any pieces of evidence are discredited and treated as baseless.

So before we judge a casino,  the case should have been investigated and if possible casino should have made its own statement on the case and it will now be left for the public to decide with the facts available from both sides.

You can't always win when gambling. Gambling is a game of experience and accumulation. The more experience and knowledge you have, the more chances you have to win. Of course, I am a firm believer in beginner's luck and sometimes I have seen beginners get lucky. You probably don't have a chance to cheat in gambling, but the interesting part of the job is that we can play fraudulently. For example, for example, you will bet on a soccer match and a rate is given for each prediction. If some odds have been given in the past in the same way, we can say that this is actually the trick of the job in a way.

Two sides of the coin. I believe that is true.
I haven't seen a guy yet who provided proof that he is indeed cheated by a reputable gambling site. (I did see some with not-so-known gambling sites.)
Well, the story goes like claims about winning big amounts and they will try to use social media as their means to scatter the news. But, people ain't idiots to not look for something that would prove it is true. That's the good part about people right now in the internet era, they already learned that somehow we can find some facts using the internet so they do their own research. Some may agree but many will try to find the truth first.

I am assuming only here, but I do believe it has always something to do with KYC. Some gamblers just don't understand the risk that is involved with gambling sites if they let a big amount of cash come in and out of their service. It can be a crime for money laundering and maybe worse so a gambling site must get the details of the one cashing out.
This ain't different with banks, they have a limit for cash outs and they will take your information and prove it before they let it go.

My friend once told me, he used to work at an online casino as an operator, he said that every user who bets was all controlled by the casino, so there was no way to break the rules or cheat, The casino will know about it, so I understand that there are many cases that occur after losing users who commit violations and in the end their accounts are frozen without explaining the reason, in fact they know that.

I think why gamblers who bet and win big have no problems with withdrawals, I'm sure because they play honestly without any violations, so think wisely before gambling and bet professionally, without having to act illegally.

Nobody can tell if the gambler has broken some rules or not, or maybe it was the casino that deprived him from withdrawal or ban the account for some flamzy excuses. That is why you see that evidence should be provided because I have seen a case whereby, the casino deprived withdrawal due to claiming that the user has two accounts registered on the casino, and the user said that he only has one account. I have also seen a case that the casino claimed that the gambler country was restricted but they registered, feposited and played a game and won, but when it comes to withdrawal, that was when they said this.

On the other hand, we know that some gamblers are always looking for a way to cheat a casino and they will come up with various kind of activities in the site that will make the casino notice them and will ban them. It is better to read ToS of the casino before registration and also make sure that you complete your KYC verification first, before you deposit any funds.

Anyone believing on random user bad experience story about casino without any valid proof is surely need to think carefully. Scam accusation reports here needs substantial evidence before user should entertain it.

Although some user playing victim usually fabricates evidence that will work against casino since some forum user is very quick to judge especially those user that doesn’t like casino. Most of the scam report on Bitcointalk is just a fraud while only few is telling the truth but it’s very rare for casino especially those trusted already for a long time to commit mistakes on giving punishments to their customers.

Those who ban players who constantly win are small casinos that cannot keep up with the payment, but are not on top or stable casinos, as long as they have funds coming and have funds in their coffers one example is Stake as long as you're not violating rules you can play and if you constantly win you'll get your payout.
Drake is one example of this he won a lot of money and gets all the money he won and there are hundreds of winners with huge amounts of money and they all get their payout.
If Drake won millions in a newly launched casino there's the possibility that they cannot keep up paying Drake.

I’m not actually siding those gamblers who always tell that they were banned because they have always defeated the casino, although I know it’s also possible, but maybe there’s actually deeper reasons why they can’t bet anymore on that site. Let’s just say these casinos have been eyeing these particular gamblers if they have been doing fraudulent activities or they have been cheating all along. But whatever it is, a reputable casino will always be credible of its own actions so if they decide to ban that gambler, most likely he had been breaking the rules numerous times.

Some of the reasons casinos ban gamblers are cheating, disorderly conduct, underage gambling, suspicion of money laundering, non-payment of debts and high-stake gambling in the case of some prominent gambling personalities. And you know that the higher the stake, the higher the probability of winning. So yea technically winning too much money can make a casino ban you.

I do not take sides with either the casinos or the player. I know that there are very terrible casinos out there that will bend the rules to their favour. It is a business so they must make profit at all means even at the expense of customers dissatisfaction. There are also gamblers who try to cheat the casinos to win. So I do not take sides.

-gamblingnewsmagazine.com/casino-ban/

I'm sure those who do that are small casino sites that don't have enough money so they limit their players from betting and getting winnings also from bonuses, I also never side with anyone whether it's right or wrong everything must include valid evidence for example a screenshot to ensure that they are really limited, whether it's because he cheated or he really won every bet.

Anyone will definitely not take sides unless they are truly proven guilty and causing harm to one of the parties, of course they will be asked to take responsibility for clarifying this so that all problems can be resolved in an amicable way without having to damage the good name of the casino, I'm sure the big casinos won't do that. unless the casino states that the user is cheating. I think we all have to be fair too 

I want to remind you that mistakes can happen even in reputable casinos and also happened in the past if you look at the scam accusation section.

But what differentiates the reputed casino and shit ones is if there is something happened due to a mistake from the casino they have to accept it and willing to revoke/refund/unban or whatever they are supposed to do and it also acts as a sign that the casino care about their reputation more than anything also there are others who try to cover up the situation by changing the terms after the incident happened and refuse to even address it damages their name.

Now in reality 95% of mistakes from the user side as far as I have seen but the gamblers can't accept their mistake and are willing to throw wild accusations against the casino which is mostly because due to the frustrations that arise from loss.

A casino that provides efficient customer service, will provide the reason for not paying a member. Readers look into this, before taking sides. If I read such an article, its obligatory to observe the quality of support the casino gave the big winner. Casinos that stopped responding to the gambler after winning big, should be blamed. So, cases like this one, is getting too much and casinos are mostly blamed. Because some casinos are found guilty, many others will be seen as guilty, even when not. The question remains, why now? Subsequently, the player wagers money in the casino and wins, with zero problem of withdrawals. But, when he wins big, the casino begins their research on the player to know if he broke any rule. One way or another he did, and the money is denied off him. I think it's a bad conduct. If need to check up a casino member's activities arises, they should do that always or immediately.

To help the player understand better and stay clear from breaking rules. The casino need to issue those bans, even when they're not winning. Out of greed, some casinos enjoy the losses of the player, and fail to check if they're breaking any rule. That's where the problem of taking sides erupt. People are not nut. We read to uniquely understand a situation. When a casino is known for its quality attention to issues, a player is blamed for breaking rules by the community. Not all threads as such, have I seen the community blame only the casino. As they also use the casino and have not experienced such a back log. Question would be asked and if no sufficient answer is provided, the player or casino gets the bad review. Depending on their reaction to the problem. A player that takes advantage of the casino, will be penalized by the casino and nothing is wrong with it.  I think only few people take sides. If the number of people who take sides are higher, then the casinos are at fault.

I quite agree with what you said that not everything that gamblers say regarding what they experience can be trusted. The casino platform certainly monitors all activities carried out by players and if it has the potential to cause losses to their business, it will definitely be dealt with. Moreover, the ToS at reputable casinos is quite clear and their professionalism is also very good, so their decisions have definitely been considered very carefully and everything has definitely been taken into account by the casino management, so that it doesn't damage their reputation.

Till date, all the scam accusations against reputed sites, none have been genuine, because the genuine ones get settled properly. However these customers rarely come back to defend the casinos when the bullshit accusations come up. If you follow the scam accusations section carefully, anyone can realize this and come to the proper conclusion that most of the casinos are fair and try to pay their customers in case a problem arises and the player wins but is not paid out immediately or some glitch occurs.

A disgruntled player will often shift blame of their addiction on the casino, sucks to be them, I would say.

What you are talking about is fair hearing for both parties. It is not a nice thing to only hear one side to a dispute because one party might have been the cause of the dispute, that is why they say there is no smoke without fire.

In all fairness too, I believe must users here have been trying to lean towards the side of fair hearing when some newbie accounts open up an allegation thread against a casino especially those that we know that are reputable here and most times you find out that the complainants have not followed the ToS of the casino or have contravened other conditions leading to the casino taking a punishment action.

When allegations are brought against casinos here, most responses always want to be sure of the claims of the one sided story by asking for screenshots of conversation, screenshot of issues in question and other proofs to ascertain the claim of the complainants and most times require the casino to respond where the complainants seem to have a case but if the complainants doesn't have any case, the complaints are dismissed with the flip of the palm. So I think it is a balance report here between the gambler complainants and the casinos.

It is a fair point, I admit. It is true that any reputable casino and with enough budget will invest in fraud prevention and detection, to safeguard their own back.
But what are we supposed to think when a casino (perphaps one without a big bankroll, because they are new at business) decides to end bonuses and promotions to single users without a warning?

Granted, the gambler accepted the terms of services, so there is no much it can be done but move on. Still, the intentions of the casino are left to interpretation of the user and the public.

The problem that many gamblers have is that they do not bother to read the terms of service of the gambling sites that they are using to gamble. All they prefer to do is the lazy work by registering and gambling immediately without reading the ToS. They will violate one or some of the rules and they may be banned.

But some gambling sites too may use the privilege to cheat the gambler. If a gambler has two accounts and has not using any of the account to cheat, the gambling site supposed to only merge the accounts together, but if a gambling site ban both accounts, they have the right to do so, but that is cheating.

But the best is not to violate the ToS at all so that you will be able to avoid ban or restriction.