Topic: Before you take sides - page 2. (Read 658 times)

Casinos and online casinos already differ, but online casinos and crypto casinos are like a different breed, which is why I often take the side of the gambler in these complaints, as long as the gambler is open about the situation and doesn't try to hide anything.
I've never seen so many cases of casinos trying to deliberately delay payments to players because they suddenly woke up and decided they need to KYC a player that has been playing there for months.
This doesn't happen in fiat casinos and it should already give you something to think about.
Each case is different though, so I hope you won't judge people before you get to know the whole story.

It's easy for you to cast them but believe me, if you are once in that position, you will react the same because when your money got stuck in a place, to think normal is hard and that's why you see them behave in that manner. The cases I have seen here though is usually personal and I don't know why gamblers do that, I have seen a gambler has problems with my the gambling signature on my profile and when they have problems with them, they troll their announcement thread.

There was this guy that was trolling even the manager, had to call me names for been nice to the Manager for giving me slot, the fun of it is that some reputable guys picked his side, don't know why they did that but it definitely had to do with the company and the teams because even after putting evidence on the forum of what he did which broke their terms and agreement, he didn't stopped. Probably maybe the other two guys that were in support were victims back then and were getting revenge. It's sad though because I will react the same way but there are ways in which things can be settle amicably.

If a gambler is playing at reputed gambling sites then there is no way that he will get banned on the site because he is winning large amount of money. I think most of you would have known that there are gamblers at stake.com who win huge amount of money and it is also known to the public. Good and real gaming sites will never ban any gamblers on the winnings and they will let them withdraw what ever they win.

I think gamblers try to find ways and put blame on the gamblings site that they ban them because of the winnings but instead the story is different. Most probably the gamblers may have violated the terms and condition of the casinos like they could have use the VPN , access the gamblin sites from a prohibited location or there can be multiple reasons for the gambler account ban.

Wrongly blaming the gambling sites will not help the gambler cases and the gambling account won't be unbanned so I don't know why the gamblers tell a lie about all this stuff.

Their are lot of the YouTube video to teach us about the gambling games.Some YouTuber will play the game in the live to tech the new gamblers,but some of them are doing this for the views and most of them will do this for the paid users of their channel.The paid users will get advantage in such YouTube channel,because the you tuber will get the money from the views and from the channel paid users.This also look like the additional income for the gamblers who engaged in the YouTube.If the gambler are ready to spend time on the YouTube can also earn from the YouTube by participating the game and online teaching in you tube.

Correct. Today I watched a YouTube video where someone a gambler was teaching his he was with positive ev and gambling and how to use it to their advantage. One of the comments I read said that he used the positive EV strategy and won about 10,000 dollars from the sports betting website after which he was banned. This goes to show that even when a casino bans a player for winning a lot of money it may be that the player used a format to try to cheat the system and was caught therefore the ban. Both side are sometimes not unguiilty.

Many gamblers have the experience of getting banned and the next thing that comes to their mind was the injustice from the gambling platform, they wouldn't want to pay attention to the areas where they are also missing out, all the wrong steps they have also taken and the rate of what they have done in violation of their rules, all they will be shouting is for being banned, the casino is scam and they go ahead to report for scam accusation without mentioning their own side at fault.

I've come to notice something that many of us have been ignorant of when it comes to gamblers and some of the fairytale stories they tell about some Casino companies.
Some of them who does come up with the stories of Casino companies banning them after huge winnings aren't factual with those stories. They lie to people around them in attempt to cover up after losing a lot of their money. They tell these lies in other not for people to see them as senseless people who's lost all their money in casinos. So before you think ill of any casino company they told you banned them, try to find out if their claims are true.

In my years in the crypto space, I have never seen a reputable casino in the crypto business that banned their users for no reason, not because they didn't want to give away the big winnings. Maybe that's even possible for casinos that haven't been in this business industry for a long time.

Because of the casinos that have a solid reputation, like Stakes, Duelbits, Rollbit, and others, I have never seen them do something that would damage them. If anyone has complained about the above, their accusations have not been proven here. That means, as you mentioned, it is impossible for them not to see cheating gamblers being exploited on their gambling platform. So far, the ones I mentioned can stand by their rules and policies.

You told the harsh truth there. Casinos that have lied to you? They've probably been sketchy from the start. Its like a time bomb thats just waiting for the right moment to go off. Now you said to stick to casinos with good names, and I totally agree. Its hard to find your way around with all these new casinos opening all the time. And who is our safety net in this mess? They are the tech-savvy cryptographers. But isnt it a bit of a problem to depend so much on a small group of people?

Whats the point of real casinos not letting exploiters in? Right on! They're just making sure that their method stays safe. Thats right, the web of social media is full of leaders! Always question things and never completely trust them. Like a game that never ends, every move needs to be carefully thought out. After all, being able to tell the difference becomes important in a world full of noise.

Agree on your statement. Most of the casino that scamming using are just new or recently just established and later on decided to turn into scam like what happened to betnomi before. Proof on scam accusation board is very rare to become valid in every scam accusation in there since most of the scammer manipulate the evidence just to look like it’s a legit concern.

Casino earn a lot of profit by just having tons of players on the casino. Scamming few user with minimal amount doesn’t make sense for them since they can recover it easily on other losing players money.

Doesnt matter whether we do believe or not, it would really be just becoming a big issue on the time that there are really solid proofs that had been presented on the said complainant but if there's none and its just pure verbal then the community wont really be just making out some conclusions on the said casino to be shady or having that kind of doing.Its true that businesses something like this wont really be just that easily to believe on.Its true that businesses like this wont really be just making those kind of banning or blocking someone without having those valid reasons which most likely it would really be that talking about violation unless if you are dealing with known scam sites then its not shocking anymore.

The community wont really be that dumb on not to know on whats the truth but people on here dont really easily believe into those issues been thrown unless if there would really be
proofs that been provided but if there's not then the community wont really be taking it seriously and would really be just that be treated as baseless accusation.
We cant really just easily believe on what these people would be telling.

It's pretty easy to figure out if a user is telling the truth or not. Just take a good look at the reputation of the casino. If a casino has a solid reputation, we'd naturally lean towards believing them over a gambler making negative claims about the casino. Of course, this changes if the gambler can actually provide some solid proof of their accusations.

Casinos that have already built a strong reputation have a lot to lose, so they're more likely to be credible compared to someone throwing negative stories at them. Now, if you start hearing the same story from multiple gamblers, well, that's when things get a bit alarming. But until that happens, casinos keep their reputation intact.

You are correct, I support this point to the core, people come out in the open to say things about online casinos and I have been into gambling for months now, so far I have no single issue and I am like where are this people getting all their complains from and why? I was doing some live treaming with my friends some weeks back and a friend wasn't online for like two weeks and when he came online he used a new identity, meaning he created a new account, we asked him what went wrong he said his account was block.

Later I asked him what really happened he said he didn't know and I checked his phone out and detected that he broke some rules himself, he tried to crack the companies software, and I was shocked, not until I caught him that's when he decided to tell the truth, he finally admitted that he did something wrong for them to blocked his account.

As in, be careful who you decide to back up, or you both will be blame at last, not all what people say are truth and I haven't seen where online casinos fight back when they are wrongly accused, it's always the victim, I am not saying all casinos are pure and reliable, but most people are just playing victim, they are mad for getting caught and dealt with so they decide to ruin the casinos reputation, be careful who you fight for, this is reality.

Casinos who have gone scam have been scam from the beginning, they got caught eventually and then the sufferers are the ones who were playing on it. Thing is that you should stick to well-repuated and old casinos before jumping into new ones. With so many of them coming up who is going to certify something as genuine or not? The forum cryptographers who are tech-savvy and are well versed with provably fair systems can help you decide in this regard.

Genuine casinos will ban users who try to exploit or cheat the system. There is nothing wrong in this and all such cases the casino gets public support.

The news of influencers should never be taken at face value, heck anything that you see or hear should be questioned and observed before accepting.

Most gamblers who get banned resulting from their misconducts but probably have a history of good wins in serial oder most likely tell the story that they got banned because they won too much and of course as rightly stated by you(OP) the other side of the story which have to do with violation of the set rules and guidelines is kept back so as to gain public attention that they were unjustly banned.

But then we we get stories like this it's right we wait to get the full details of what actually happened and know were the person making the report went wrong before taking sides and passing judgements, because even the casinos and betting site know that if they should bann a client on such basis which can not be justified then they will be faced with heat from the public which is not good for business.

So Gamblers should be cautious and careful enough to read instructions if possible in-between lines so as not to violate the rules and when been punished they result to gathering public pity, most gambling sites are been regulated in their jurisdiction so they wouldn't want to be reported for such, only that most gamblers wait till they get a win and when they have issues with withdrawal they then go back to the rules which they were supposed to read earlier and think the site is a bad one, this occurs mostly with wagered bonuses.

This whole situation is aggravated by the fact that we are in the world of cryptocurrencies, and this world is inextricably linked with anonymity. We have already seen a lot of scam: profiles of non-real people on the web, which were created in order for everything to be put there in their projects, and then they disappeared. Unfortunately, this is the dark side of freedom in the world of cryptocurrencies.
Therefore, I prefer not to believe everything I read, both here on the forum, and especially in the news of influencers.

For those people who have a limited thought, yes. There are also people who experience the negatives only or mostly the negatives during the time they play gambling so they curse gambling just like that. We shouldn't feel bad yet because there are also people who are the exact opposite of them.

It's like they are biased and say that gambling is beneficial when the truth is they also lose a lot and sometimes get addicted on it. Gambling is about losing and winning so the view of the people should be balanced only. That will show that their mental state is still healthy and there is no need to worry about their gambling activities.

Should also look to do the opposite, its a common phenomena on the internet that people are very vocal about any negatives but fail or forget to praise the common positive experience with any casino.  Especially long term, people take it for granted when a site is solid and reliable etc.  which is definitely worth praise. 
  The good sites will make a profit off just operating a long term gambling site, gambling is a profitable enterprise so a good reputation is important and regular traffic because that definitely leads to profits with that body of regular users.   It should be outside the norm for players not to be respected who are wanting to play normally.

But we also must remember that no business owner likes one person to win more often than another. Business owners may issue new rules for those who often win a lot of money and replace them with old rules. And the casino can get the data easily because the gamblers gamble at the casino, where the casino can always find out who can win a lot of money and more often than other gamblers. We will never know unless we experience it ourselves. Then we can decide what to do. And in this case, someone was right to move to another casino because he felt the casino's service had let him down.

Yes, I agree with you.
I myself have read several posts about this and even commented on some of them, but I have never taken sides on a position in favor of the player or the site.
What I did in all the discussions I participated in was to express my opinion on some problems that really exist in casinos with a low reputation or otherwise unknown, as well as presenting possible solutions to resolve the problem in casinos that have a reputation.
Many casinos we respect have an exclusive topic here on bitcointalk, nothing better than exposing the problem publicly, so that the site itself can also present its contrary evidence, if the accusation is untrue.
Someone will probably leave with their reputation damaged.