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Topic: Best demonstrated efficiency: 1290 Mhash/Joule (Read 20587 times)

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November 26, 2014, 02:16:48 AM
We just released a rev2 of our chip Smiley It would be nice to have this topic updated with latest info!

Sure, what are your Mhash/Joule numbers?

PS: sorry I have not been monitoring this thread for a while.
Can we have all the numbers also shown as J / GH?
It's a more common measurement these days.
mrb
legendary
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We just released a rev2 of our chip Smiley It would be nice to have this topic updated with latest info!

Sure, what are your Mhash/Joule numbers?

PS: sorry I have not been monitoring this thread for a while.
legendary
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We just released a rev2 of our chip Smiley It would be nice to have this topic updated with latest info!

Bump. Let's see some updates. Energy efficiency is starting to become a factor in profitability.
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We just released a rev2 of our chip Smiley It would be nice to have this topic updated with latest info!
mrb
legendary
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Updated best result by bitfury's 55nm chip (1290 Mh/J at chip level!) This is roughly 65x more efficient than BFL's 40nm (Stratix II) FPGA-based Mini-Rig (20 Mh/J)!

Some people said a year ago that such then theoretical improvements would be plain absurd - well bitfury proves them wrong...
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Thanks for the notice guys. Note that all my numbers are at the chip level. I added to the OP:

~230 Mhash/Joule (NOT FINAL) as estimated from BFL's 65nm ASIC prototype. They claim 170 Mhash/Joule at the wall. Both Avalon and Bitfountain/ASICMINER/friedcat lose ~25% of the power in AC/DC and DC/DC conversion and other elements, so if BFL experiences a comparable loss, we can infer 170/.75 = ~230 Mhash/Joule at the chip level.

I will update the thread title once the number is final.
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Wanna update BFL's numbers too? Latest is ~170MH/J.

yea, when they ship...
The thread title is "shipped efficiency" or "demonstrated efficiency"?
If "shipped", ASICminer hasn't shipped yet as well. Apart of dividends, no one received a unit yet.
legendary
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ASICMINER's auction of a 10.75GH/s blade claims 83W, including the DC/DC conversion. That gives 130MH/J not inclusive of the AC/DC conversion to be compared with Avalon's 151MH/J. The 167MH/J is therefore most likely just the chips, which agrees with Friedcat's claim that just the chips are between 6-8J/GH depending on voltage and clock speed.

That still makes ASICMINER a little more efficient design than Avalon, as 151MH/J * (110/130)^2 is 108MH/J.
legendary
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Wanna update BFL's numbers too? Latest is ~170MH/J.

yea, when they ship...
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Wanna update BFL's numbers too? Latest is ~170MH/J.
mrb
legendary
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Updated OP with ASICMINER's 167 Mhash/J number.
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And FYI, FPGA board vendors don't talk about power consumption at the wall, but at the 12V level, after the AC/DC PSU.
BFL's FPGA power consumption figures are at the wall; you can get better-than-quoted power usage by using a more efficient PSU. As far as I know, the only vendors that measure power consumption at the 12V input are the ones which make you supply your own PSU. Icarus had both options and gave both power consumption stats:

After months of work, finally I build a FPGA mining cluster using the board "Icarus".
each board has 2 XC6SLX150 -2FGG484I on it, generates a 380MH/s hashing power. 19.2W (full load working) / 3.4W (idle) power consuming (board input, without fan). here a detail spec table:

Technology: Spartan6 -LX150 -2I (or -3C)
speed (MH/s): 380
$: 569 (1) / 469$ (multiple of 30) (-5$ if you do not need the adapter, recommend for bulk orders, they are heavy)
W: 4.5 for idle / 21 for full load. (notice this is the on wall power, include the adapter losses and fan)
Also, all FPGA vendors which reported board-level power consumption did so for the whole board including power wasted in the onboard DC-DC converters, not the chip power usage as Avalon is doing. It's not like you can really unsolder the chips and put them in your own board with more efficient power circuitry, after all!
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One thing to keep in mind while interpreting BFL schedule performance and customer communication about schedule:

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(TSMC) has equipped a state-of-the-art supply chain management system that improves both our customers' forecast processes and TSMC's delivery schedule accuracy. In 2009, the Company made 98 percent of scheduled deliveries within one day.

legendary
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Alright, jgarzik measured 620 Watt at the wall.

At the UPS socket not wall, to be specific.

mrb
legendary
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I agree that miners should look at the consumption at the wall to calculate their real cost. But the purpose of this thread, my thread, is to compare consumption at the chip level.

And FYI, FPGA board vendors don't talk about power consumption at the wall, but at the 12V level, after the AC/DC PSU.
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Which is just idiotic.  Why is the standard now "at the chip".  We have been measuring MH/J since CPU days and never once has anything been measured "at the chip".  Is the miner going to pay "at the chip" electrical rates?

I mean say Avalon releases a version 3 with even WORSE DC/DC regulator which is only 70% efficient thus making the cost to operate 20%+ higher will that still be viewed as 151 MH/J.  FPGA custom boards were measured at the wall.  Why suddenly the change in metrics now?

mrb
legendary
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Alright, jgarzik measured 620 Watt at the wall. And taking into account ngzhang information, we determine that the power consumed by the chips is:

(620 (Watt at the wall) * .82 (AC/DC PSU efficiency) - 5 (Watt minimum for the fans)) * .87 (DC/DC PSU efficiency) = 438 Watt

At 66.3 Ghash/s, that is 66300/438 = 151 Mhash/Joule. So this confirms ngzhang's original claim of 6.6-6.7 Watt per Ghash/s for the chips.
legendary
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https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.1497042

OP and title need to be corrected: It's closer to 100MH/s/J. It seems that Avalon uses 620w, not the 400W they've been claiming.
See ngzhang's post here before updating.

Consider PSU efficiency etc.
That is taking into account PSU inefficiencies. But that's an excuse for false advertising.
legendary
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https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.1497042

OP and title need to be corrected: It's closer to 100MH/s/J. It seems that Avalon uses 620w, not the 400W they've been claiming.

See ngzhang's post here before updating.

Consider PSU efficiency etc.

legendary
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https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.1497042

OP and title need to be corrected: It's closer to 100MH/s/J. It seems that Avalon uses 620w, not the 400W they've been claiming.
Holy. That is not what I was expecting at all. Has Avalon said whether they're using a standard cell or structured ASIC?
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