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Quote from: OgNasty on October 21, 2020, 11:49:14 AM

By mental illness I’m not referring to physical ailments as mentioned above. I’m talking about the crazy gender neutral creatures I see who are offended by pronouns.

Oh, my mistake, for I truly thought you were talking about neurobiological disorders akin to mental illness and not taking a potshot at the small percentage of those with sexual orientations not in alignment with your own. How awful that must be for you. Have you considered designating some sort of safe space for yourself when the going gets too tough?

In other news, the party of Family Values is going to have a rough rest of the week; possibly month, and year.

Rudy Giuliani Roasted for Reportedly Fondling Himself in Hotel Room During Sacha Baron Cohen 'Borat' Prank

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"I only later realized it must have been Sacha Baron Cohen. I thought about all the people he previously fooled and I felt good about myself because he didn't get me..."

If this was the Republican party of the 90's pre Clinton scandal, and then the rest of the GOP having their sex scandals, I'd agree with the assumption that this may do anything. Though I think the GOP of this age has evolved to not really care about sex scandals. Depends on your level on the party and what you've said as a person. Which is an obvious part as these are still case by case.

In regards to Giuliani though, I think we all know that he is NOT a bible spewing conservative. Guy went through a pretty nasty divorce (maybe multiple) that was very public.

Can't wait for the movie to come out though, lol.

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Quote from: DaveF on October 21, 2020, 02:34:16 PM

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Is it a fair take to say that I think both sides are attacking eachother on things that may actually not end up being as bad as they seem at all?

Seems like Team Trump is attacking Biden with the NYPost story about Hunter Biden using his fathers influence to make money for the two of them. Biden has obviously denied this story

Some on the left are pushing this story about Trump, and the Trump family, selling their influence to the Chinese and that Trump has this crazy Chinese bank account.

This is going to be an interesting next 2 weeks or so.

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Quote from: PrimeNumber7 on October 21, 2020, 12:28:42 PM

If you were referring to the Russia investigation, there was no predicate to start the investigation.

The predicate was when a Trump campaign advisor told an Australian diplomat that Russia had politically damaging material on Clinton. He was referring to the hacked DNC emails that were released on the same day as the 'grab them by the pussy' tapes.

The investigation revealed the previously unknown details of how Russia influenced the campaign to benefit Trump and the multiple connections between members of the Trump campaign (many now convicted felons) and Russia. As I've said before, you really should read it if you want to have an informed opinion. In addition to the executive summary, Volume 1 - Section 4 is a good place to start: https://www.justice.gov/storage/report.pdf

There's also an IG report that found the investigation was not influenced by any political bias, and the reason for opening it was valid, which isn't surprising considering the fact that Obama always distanced himself whenever possible from any DOJ or law enforcement decisions. Here's the IG report: https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/6571581/IG-Report-Exec-Summary.pdf

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Quote from: PrimeNumber7 on October 21, 2020, 12:28:42 PM

Based on the publicly available information, there appears to be more than probable cause to support that the ~~Biden~~ Trump family has broken public corruption laws. In other words, there is a predicate to open an investigation.

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Quote from: TwitchySeal on October 19, 2020, 02:12:20 PM

Quote from: PrimeNumber7 on October 19, 2020, 01:56:30 PM

If Barr were to appoint a special prosecutor, it would create another avenue in which the story would be thrust into the news.

Surely you're not suggesting a presidential nominees ties to a foreign country be investigated during the election, are you? Because I thought you said that was treason or something.

If you were referring to the Russia investigation, there was no predicate to start the investigation. The Russia investigation was just the Obama administration spying on an opposition party campaign to try to prevent them from winning an election, and to harm the administration after the opposition candidate won the election.

Based on the publicly available information, there appears to be more than probable cause to support that the Biden family has broken public corruption laws. In other words, there is a predicate to open an investigation.

Running for President does not give someone a pass if they have previously broken the law.

Quote from: OgNasty on October 20, 2020, 11:01:33 PM

I’m torn. If Trump wins the economy will continue to improve, society will be steered in the right direction, our servicemen will be cared for, and our country will be much stronger than the alternative; but we’ll have to deal with crybaby liberals and another four years of temper tantrums.

If Biden wins, the country will be run into the ground and things like mental illness will be shoved down our throats as normal; but we won’t have to deal with crybaby whining liberals for four more years and Bitcoin will shoot over the moon.

I can see the silver lining for each candidate.

I would suggest that you put country over Party.

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Quote from: OgNasty on October 20, 2020, 11:01:33 PM

If Biden wins, the country will be run into the ground and things like mental illness will be shoved down our throats as normal;

Wait is mental health something people complain about being made aware of?

Well he said "things like mental illness" so I assume he's talking about neurological disorders, autism, and possibly MS or Parkinson's.

Or possibly trasngerderism.. Would be my guess..
Most common mental illness being shoved down our throats as normal that I notice..

Why do you think Biden would send BTC to the moon OG?
Because he will cooperate with China to destroy the usd?

By mental illness I’m not referring to physical ailments as mentioned above. I’m talking about the crazy gender neutral creatures I see who are offended by pronouns.

I think Biden’s tax and health care plans will run up the national debt to the point where Bitcoin could hit $200,000. Sure, we’ll be paying $20 for a gallon of milk at that point and most people won’t be able to afford rent without the government’s help, but ‘we’ will all be incredibly wealthy so that will be a problem for those who foolishly thought the government getting more involved in their lives was a good thing.

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Quote from: OgNasty on October 20, 2020, 11:01:33 PM

If Biden wins, the country will be run into the ground and things like mental illness will be shoved down our throats as normal;

Wait is mental health something people complain about being made aware of?

Well he said "things like mental illness" so I assume he's talking about neurological disorders, autism, and possibly MS or Parkinson's.

Or possibly trasngerderism.. Would be my guess..
Most common mental illness being shoved down our throats as normal that I notice..

Why do you think Biden would send BTC to the moon OG?
Because he will cooperate with China to destroy the usd?

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Quote from: OgNasty on October 20, 2020, 11:01:33 PM

If Biden wins, the country will be run into the ground and things like mental illness will be shoved down our throats as normal;

Wait is mental health something people complain about being made aware of?

Well he said "things like mental illness" so I assume he's talking about neurological disorders, autism, and possibly MS or Parkinson's.

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Quote from: OgNasty on October 20, 2020, 11:01:33 PM

If Biden wins, the country will be run into the ground and things like mental illness will be shoved down our throats as normal;

Wait is mental health something people complain about being made aware of?

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I’m torn. If Trump wins the economy will continue to improve, society will be steered in the right direction, our servicemen will be cared for, and our country will be much stronger than the alternative; but we’ll have to deal with crybaby liberals and another four years of temper tantrums.

If Biden wins, the country will be run into the ground and things like mental illness will be shoved down our throats as normal; but we won’t have to deal with crybaby whining liberals for four more years and Bitcoin will shoot over the moon.

I can see the silver lining for each candidate.

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Another tantrum:

Quote from: https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/20/politics/trump-interview-60-minutes/index.html

President Donald Trump abruptly ended a solo interview with CBS News' "60 Minutes" Tuesday and did not return for an appearance he was supposed to tape with Vice President Mike Pence, according to multiple sources familiar with what happened.

After camera crews set up at the White House on Monday, Trump sat down with host Lesley Stahl for about 45 minutes on Tuesday before he abruptly ended the interview and told the network he believed they had enough material to use, according to two sources.

I feel a little bit sorry for Pence. Well, not really, but it seemed like a nice thing to say.

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Quote from: TwitchySeal on October 20, 2020, 12:41:30 AM

How is it literally undemocratic to pass a law that changes the number of justices on the supreme court? Congress has that explicit power. Or do you just feel very strongly about the number 9? In the end, if the country feels strongly enough against it, they won't give the WH, Senate and House to democrats.

I'm kind of on the fence, but I don't think it's too extreme or would cross any line that hasn't been crossed already - I just think if Democrats sweep they should put serious effort into making a less divided country.

On the other hand, I think it's really silly to argue that the court should lean one way for basically a generation because the last judge happened to die in September instead of Dec or later.

Here, let RBG explain it to you - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6pkwfITbEuM

We've had 9 justices for over a century, changing the balance of the court because you want to legislate policy from the bench is undemocratic. The judicial branch should be independent, and adding justices changes that. You seem to have this notion that if government can make changes that are constitutional, that it can't be classified as undemocratic. This isn't the case, example -- packing the court.

And here's Joe Biden telling you why it was a bad idea when FDR tried to court pack - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_lBVmrLfeQ

I don't think you should be on the fence about this. Court packing isn't a new idea, but people advocating now in 2020 for court packing are just having a knee jerk reaction. The world isn't ending because ACB is on the court. Abortion isn't going away either.

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Quote from: TwitchySeal on October 20, 2020, 12:41:30 AM

On the other hand, I think it's really silly to argue that the court should lean one way for basically a generation because the last judge happened to die in September instead of Dec or later.

Yeah... What kind of goofball would think that the Supreme Court should lean towards constitutional conservatism?
Must’a been dropped on his head..

Needs some Marxist sympathizers on it to counter the libertarian principles that have been there, oh, since it’s formation roundabouts..
Better just take the system so it’s “fair” and all..

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Quote from: Gyfts on October 19, 2020, 10:03:52 PM

Quote from: TwitchySeal on October 19, 2020, 07:49:31 PM

I don't see any good coming from Biden taking a stand one way or the other at this point, I wouldn't be surprised if he isn't sure right now other than wanting to keep it on the table. Could be a great bargaining chip a few months from now if he wins, or there could be some other reason that pushes him one way or the other.

There is no reason to keep such a dumb idea on the table. Denounce it or own it. And if you're threatening to change the number of justices on the court to use as a bargaining chip, that's literally undemocratic.

RBG denounced this stupid idea by the way.

How is it literally undemocratic to pass a law that changes the number of justices on the supreme court? Congress has that explicit power. Or do you just feel very strongly about the number 9? In the end, if the country feels strongly enough against it, they won't give the WH, Senate and House to democrats.

I'm kind of on the fence, but I don't think it's too extreme or would cross any line that hasn't been crossed already - I just think if Democrats sweep they should put serious effort into making a less divided country.

On the other hand, I think it's really silly to argue that the court should lean one way for basically a generation because the last judge happened to die in September instead of Dec or later.

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Quote from: TwitchySeal on October 19, 2020, 09:57:39 PM

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There's one big thing that I've come to notice regarding Trump about all of this. People forget that he is catering to what the Republican voters want to hear right now. The Republican voters think that the economy crumbling is the biggest thing to come from COVID, and they want the economy to open back up due to that. While Dem voters think that COVID is the biggest issue that our nation is facing at the moment.

I know I saw that somewhere, but I honestly just can't find the source right now. Probably pew research. I'll have to look around and edit this post once I find it.

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Quote from: TwitchySeal on October 19, 2020, 07:49:31 PM

I don't see any good coming from Biden taking a stand one way or the other at this point, I wouldn't be surprised if he isn't sure right now other than wanting to keep it on the table. Could be a great bargaining chip a few months from now if he wins, or there could be some other reason that pushes him one way or the other.

There is no reason to keep such a dumb idea on the table. Denounce it or own it. And if you're threatening to change the number of justices on the court to use as a bargaining chip, that's literally undemocratic.

RBG denounced this stupid idea by the way.

Quote from: TwitchySeal on October 19, 2020, 07:49:31 PM

Schumer can't just make DC and Puerto Rico states. He could allow a vote on the Senate floor, but PR or DC becoming a State would require a bunch of other votes as well. Quite democratic.

This doesn't make the intention undemocratic. It just means his insanity to change the rules will be stopped by democratic procedures.

Also, I think it's pretty stupid Trump is attacking Fauci. He should just leave it alone at this point. But I also remember distinctly Fauci telling everyone not to wear masks in March, not to implement a travel ban, and arguing in early 2020 that coronavirus did not require any significant lifestyle changes. He also during a congressional hearing was blatantly wrong about T cell immunity to which he seemingly back peddled. - https://www.thailandmedical.news/news/covid-19-headlines-why-is-dr-fauci-now-distancing-himself-from-an-earlier-t-cell-immunity-hypothesis-he-was-previously-peddling.

Dr. Fauci is doing a service to the U.S., but he is not the only infectious disease expert. Because Americans are stupid and don't know how to do research for themselves, they need to rely on a central figure head to make them feel safe, and that person is Dr. Fauci. So naturally, the media will do its best to prop him up, and Trump very stupidly will do his best to create controversy.

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Quote from: DaveF on October 19, 2020, 09:48:21 PM

Would be interesting to see if PR wants to become a state. Remember as of now residents are not paying federal income tax. So becoming a state would get them more benefits but cost a lot of people $$$. I feel DC *should* become a state OR we as a nation should stop taxing people who live there. It is technically taxation without representation so there is that....

-Dave

They've voted to not become a state several times I believe. Haven't really kept up with what's going on with them and DC joining recently though.

Apparently Trump said some pretty stupid things at his rally today, even by todays standards. Basically gifted Biden an effective campaign ad.

“He’ll listen to the scientists, If I listened totally to the scientists, we would right now have a country that would be in a massive depression instead — we’re like a rocket ship. Take a look at the numbers.”

“He wants to listen to Dr. Fauci. He wants to listen to Dr. Fauci.”

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Quote from: Gyfts on October 19, 2020, 09:06:46 AM

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/ratcliffe-hunter-biden-laptop-emails-not-russian-disinformation-campaign

This story is hysterical.

Apparently it's confirmed that these emails originated from a Hunter Biden laptop that was dropped off at a computer store for repair. The owner of the store allegedly was some conspiracy nut that made a copy of the HDD's content's and took it Rudi Giuliani's lawyers.

Hunter Biden being a mess as it already is, son of the Vice President, takes his computer to a repair shop with a hard drive full of sensitive info...potentially throwing off his father's Presidential clear path to the White House.

It's like that one Bernie sanders meme where he comes in with a chair in the WWE, except it's Hunter Biden holding his laptop.

Don't forget the fact the the PDFs were created AFTER he supposedly after he dropped the laptop off.
You know the laptop, that was probably under warranty that he took to a non apple repair shop.
On the opposite coast of where he was at the time.

Quote from: TwitchySeal on October 19, 2020, 07:49:31 PM

Schumer can't just make DC and Puerto Rico states. He could allow a vote on the Senate floor, but PR or DC becoming a State would require a bunch of other votes as well. Quite democratic.

Would be interesting to see if PR wants to become a state. Remember as of now residents are not paying federal income tax. So becoming a state would get them more benefits but cost a lot of people $$$. I feel DC *should* become a state OR we as a nation should stop taxing people who live there. It is technically taxation without representation so there is that....

-Dave

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Quote from: Gyfts on October 19, 2020, 06:48:28 PM

Plenty of dems have openly called to pack the courts in Congress, so Biden would have a say in court packing if there ever was a large enough margin. Biden owes people an answer on court packing, but of course he's already made it clear voters don't deserve to know his position prior to election day (how that makes sense is beyond me, I'm not even going to try to understand how he came up with that logic).

I don't see any good coming from Biden taking a stand one way or the other at this point, I wouldn't be surprised if he isn't sure right now other than wanting to keep it on the table. Could be a great bargaining chip a few months from now if he wins, or there could be some other reason that pushes him one way or the other.

Quote from: Gyfts on October 19, 2020, 06:48:28 PM

Chuck Schumer has also floated the idea of making DC and Puerto Rico states so that the senate can get 4 more democratic senators. Not quite democratic to change the rules when you don't get your way.

Schumer can't just make DC and Puerto Rico states. He could allow a vote on the Senate floor, but PR or DC becoming a State would require a bunch of other votes as well. Quite democratic.

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